HenryBHough
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Ted, I can understand. But why Jackie?
White privilege. She was not a veteran.
Hey, it's their rules - make them live by them.
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Ted, I can understand. But why Jackie?
The vid isn't enough?I have a question of my own for ya. Not one black person has attacked hate speech from blm towards left wingers. Why is that?They were Pardoned; all Americans now!!You’re an idiot. An indoctrinated moron.Well, if you actually READ the bill, it doesn't mandate that everything simply be removed. Each monument and everything else will be looked at and debated before anything is done. But why let the facts get in the way of your white supremacist outrage?Warren's Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forward
Warrens Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forwardconservative-daily.com
If passed as-is, this amendment would require that the federal government desecrate the graves of 482 Confederate soldiers buried in Arlington National Cemetery. The soldiers are buried in a circle around a massive, 106-year-old monument commemorating the Confederate soldiers who died in the Civil War. Every President since Teddy Roosevelt has laid a wreath at this monument. Yes, that includes Barack H. Obama. He paid his respects to the Confederate dead buried in Arlington back in 2009.
Warren's amendment would require that the memorial be removed from the grounds of Arlington. It is impossible to do this without disturbing the grave sites around the monument…
But it actually gets worse. Elizabeth Warren's amendment is so poorly written that while it gives an exception for gravestones, it does not exempt the graves themselves. Since being buried in Arlington is considered an honor, a literal reading of Warren's bill would require these Civil War soldiers to be exhumed and moved off the premises. Just think about how small of a person someone would have to be to write an amendment in 2020 that could force the exhumation of 482 Civil War soldiers because they disagree with the cause they fought for…
Even in a best case scenario, the graves would get to stay, but Arlington wouldn't be able to advertise where they're located. No signage… no mention in the maps… no helpful directions from staff… Anyone who has ever been to Arlington looking for a specific grave knows it is next to impossible to do without help and directions. So best case, the Confederates get to stay buried, but no one would be allowed to know where they are…
—The Secretary of Defense shall establish a commission relating to assigning, modifying, or removing of names, symbols, displays, monuments, and paraphernalia to assets of the Department of Defense that commemorate the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America. (c) DUTIES.—The Commission shall— (1) assess the cost of renaming or removing names, symbols, displays, monuments, or paraphernalia that commemorate the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America; (2) develop procedures and criteria to assess whether an existing name, symbol, monument, display, or paraphernalia commemorates the Confederate States of America or person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America; (3) recommend procedures for renaming assets of the Department of Defense to prevent commemoration of the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America; (4) develop a plan to remove names, symbols, displays, monuments, or paraphernalia that commemorate the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America from assets of the Department of Defense, within the timeline established by this Act; (5) include in the plan procedures and criteria for collecting and incorporating local sensitivities associated with naming or renaming of assets of the Department of Defense.
The CSA were not traitors or seditionists. They attempted independence.
They failed, their states were reacquired by the USA and maintained statehood and historical significance in the context of the union.
You’re a brainwashed moron. You are more of a traitor than any of these CSA soldiers who fought for their states.
That is exactly what they were traitors and seditionists. Get a new excuse, that one is nothing but Grade A horseshit.
Greg
They still don't deserve to be honored.
Negroes still have no appreciation of the charity White Americans have given blacks....both yankees and southerners.
The best think that ever happened to the Africans but the worst thing for America was them being brought over here.
They are now being used as useful idiots by the democrats to further divide America and to fundamentally change it to the point where we will be so weakened we will not be able to defend ourselves from adversaries who are tooling up to take us down as we speak.
Racist propaganda at it's best. Now watch not one right winger will attack this hate speech, why is that?
Give me a few examples.
Of course you didn't. He could appear in a white sheeted pointy hat and you would still defend him.The vid isn't enough?I have a question of my own for ya. Not one black person has attacked hate speech from blm towards left wingers. Why is that?They were Pardoned; all Americans now!!You’re an idiot. An indoctrinated moron.Well, if you actually READ the bill, it doesn't mandate that everything simply be removed. Each monument and everything else will be looked at and debated before anything is done. But why let the facts get in the way of your white supremacist outrage?Warren's Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forward
Warrens Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forwardconservative-daily.com
If passed as-is, this amendment would require that the federal government desecrate the graves of 482 Confederate soldiers buried in Arlington National Cemetery. The soldiers are buried in a circle around a massive, 106-year-old monument commemorating the Confederate soldiers who died in the Civil War. Every President since Teddy Roosevelt has laid a wreath at this monument. Yes, that includes Barack H. Obama. He paid his respects to the Confederate dead buried in Arlington back in 2009.
Warren's amendment would require that the memorial be removed from the grounds of Arlington. It is impossible to do this without disturbing the grave sites around the monument…
But it actually gets worse. Elizabeth Warren's amendment is so poorly written that while it gives an exception for gravestones, it does not exempt the graves themselves. Since being buried in Arlington is considered an honor, a literal reading of Warren's bill would require these Civil War soldiers to be exhumed and moved off the premises. Just think about how small of a person someone would have to be to write an amendment in 2020 that could force the exhumation of 482 Civil War soldiers because they disagree with the cause they fought for…
Even in a best case scenario, the graves would get to stay, but Arlington wouldn't be able to advertise where they're located. No signage… no mention in the maps… no helpful directions from staff… Anyone who has ever been to Arlington looking for a specific grave knows it is next to impossible to do without help and directions. So best case, the Confederates get to stay buried, but no one would be allowed to know where they are…
—The Secretary of Defense shall establish a commission relating to assigning, modifying, or removing of names, symbols, displays, monuments, and paraphernalia to assets of the Department of Defense that commemorate the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America. (c) DUTIES.—The Commission shall— (1) assess the cost of renaming or removing names, symbols, displays, monuments, or paraphernalia that commemorate the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America; (2) develop procedures and criteria to assess whether an existing name, symbol, monument, display, or paraphernalia commemorates the Confederate States of America or person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America; (3) recommend procedures for renaming assets of the Department of Defense to prevent commemoration of the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America; (4) develop a plan to remove names, symbols, displays, monuments, or paraphernalia that commemorate the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America from assets of the Department of Defense, within the timeline established by this Act; (5) include in the plan procedures and criteria for collecting and incorporating local sensitivities associated with naming or renaming of assets of the Department of Defense.
The CSA were not traitors or seditionists. They attempted independence.
They failed, their states were reacquired by the USA and maintained statehood and historical significance in the context of the union.
You’re a brainwashed moron. You are more of a traitor than any of these CSA soldiers who fought for their states.
That is exactly what they were traitors and seditionists. Get a new excuse, that one is nothing but Grade A horseshit.
Greg
They still don't deserve to be honored.
Negroes still have no appreciation of the charity White Americans have given blacks....both yankees and southerners.
The best think that ever happened to the Africans but the worst thing for America was them being brought over here.
They are now being used as useful idiots by the democrats to further divide America and to fundamentally change it to the point where we will be so weakened we will not be able to defend ourselves from adversaries who are tooling up to take us down as we speak.
Racist propaganda at it's best. Now watch not one right winger will attack this hate speech, why is that?
Give me a few examples.
I don't hear him say the Nword in the vid.
Of course you didn't. He could appear in a white sheeted pointy hat and you would still defend him.The vid isn't enough?I have a question of my own for ya. Not one black person has attacked hate speech from blm towards left wingers. Why is that?They were Pardoned; all Americans now!!You’re an idiot. An indoctrinated moron.Well, if you actually READ the bill, it doesn't mandate that everything simply be removed. Each monument and everything else will be looked at and debated before anything is done. But why let the facts get in the way of your white supremacist outrage?Warren's Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forward
Warrens Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forwardconservative-daily.com
If passed as-is, this amendment would require that the federal government desecrate the graves of 482 Confederate soldiers buried in Arlington National Cemetery. The soldiers are buried in a circle around a massive, 106-year-old monument commemorating the Confederate soldiers who died in the Civil War. Every President since Teddy Roosevelt has laid a wreath at this monument. Yes, that includes Barack H. Obama. He paid his respects to the Confederate dead buried in Arlington back in 2009.
Warren's amendment would require that the memorial be removed from the grounds of Arlington. It is impossible to do this without disturbing the grave sites around the monument…
But it actually gets worse. Elizabeth Warren's amendment is so poorly written that while it gives an exception for gravestones, it does not exempt the graves themselves. Since being buried in Arlington is considered an honor, a literal reading of Warren's bill would require these Civil War soldiers to be exhumed and moved off the premises. Just think about how small of a person someone would have to be to write an amendment in 2020 that could force the exhumation of 482 Civil War soldiers because they disagree with the cause they fought for…
Even in a best case scenario, the graves would get to stay, but Arlington wouldn't be able to advertise where they're located. No signage… no mention in the maps… no helpful directions from staff… Anyone who has ever been to Arlington looking for a specific grave knows it is next to impossible to do without help and directions. So best case, the Confederates get to stay buried, but no one would be allowed to know where they are…
—The Secretary of Defense shall establish a commission relating to assigning, modifying, or removing of names, symbols, displays, monuments, and paraphernalia to assets of the Department of Defense that commemorate the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America. (c) DUTIES.—The Commission shall— (1) assess the cost of renaming or removing names, symbols, displays, monuments, or paraphernalia that commemorate the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America; (2) develop procedures and criteria to assess whether an existing name, symbol, monument, display, or paraphernalia commemorates the Confederate States of America or person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America; (3) recommend procedures for renaming assets of the Department of Defense to prevent commemoration of the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America; (4) develop a plan to remove names, symbols, displays, monuments, or paraphernalia that commemorate the Confederate States of America or any person who served voluntarily with the Confederate States of America from assets of the Department of Defense, within the timeline established by this Act; (5) include in the plan procedures and criteria for collecting and incorporating local sensitivities associated with naming or renaming of assets of the Department of Defense.
The CSA were not traitors or seditionists. They attempted independence.
They failed, their states were reacquired by the USA and maintained statehood and historical significance in the context of the union.
You’re a brainwashed moron. You are more of a traitor than any of these CSA soldiers who fought for their states.
That is exactly what they were traitors and seditionists. Get a new excuse, that one is nothing but Grade A horseshit.
Greg
They still don't deserve to be honored.
Negroes still have no appreciation of the charity White Americans have given blacks....both yankees and southerners.
The best think that ever happened to the Africans but the worst thing for America was them being brought over here.
They are now being used as useful idiots by the democrats to further divide America and to fundamentally change it to the point where we will be so weakened we will not be able to defend ourselves from adversaries who are tooling up to take us down as we speak.
Racist propaganda at it's best. Now watch not one right winger will attack this hate speech, why is that?
Give me a few examples.
I don't hear him say the Nword in the vid.
Look, I will say this once. You are not stupid. Just bullheaded. THINK for a minute. Biden has used the N word many time in his career. Dementia or not, his racism towards black is still embedded in him. Just like a drunk shows his/her true self when embibing...so do dementia patients. It's who they are.
Believe what you want. I'm not going to argue with you further about it.
If true, this is going WAY too far. WAY.
Why? They're dead, they don't care.
We need to tear down every last Confederate monument in the country, and make sure the history books make it clear that the Confederates were in the wrong.
You got a point...Ted, I can understand. But why Jackie?Dig up Teddy Kennedy and Jackie Onasis too then.They cheapen the real heros buried there.
Jackie belongs buried in Greece with her husband.Ted, I can understand. But why Jackie?Dig up Teddy Kennedy and Jackie Onasis too then.They cheapen the real heros buried there.
I politely disagree. Her husband was POTUS. She loved him. She also had a life to lead after he was murdered. She belongs next to him. She earned it. She held his brains in her lap. The man she loved.Jackie belongs buried in Greece with her husband.Ted, I can understand. But why Jackie?Dig up Teddy Kennedy and Jackie Onasis too then.They cheapen the real heros buried there.
I politely disagree. Her husband was POTUS. She loved him. She also had a life to lead after he was murdered. She belongs next to him. She earned it. She held his brains in her lap. The man she loved.
I'm not aware of any history books in public education that glorify the Confederacy.If true, this is going WAY too far. WAY.
Why? They're dead, they don't care.
We need to tear down every last Confederate monument in the country, and make sure the history books make it clear that the Confederates were in the wrong.
No. I think she was suffering. He just happened to be rich. And she didn't want anything more to do with the USA politics. It killed her husband. She wanted away. He took her away. And was loaded with dough. Did she like him? Probably. But love? No. The love her life died right in front of her. I don't blame her one bit for getting out of it all. Was I upset when she married Onassis? yeah. But now that I am older, and can relate to things I couldn't at that time...I think she was lonely, sad, suffered PTSD due to a brain in her lap and did what she thought best at the time. It worked out for her. But she needs to be with her husband. POTUS of the USA.I politely disagree. Her husband was POTUS. She loved him. She also had a life to lead after he was murdered. She belongs next to him. She earned it. She held his brains in her lap. The man she loved.
So you believe she married Onassis for his money?
I'm not aware of any history books in public education that glorify the Confederacy.
As for the monuments, that's up to locals to decide. If the locals want to remove them from their respective areas, then so be it, but it shouldn't be a federal agenda.
No. I think she was suffering. He just happened to be rich. And she didn't want anything more to do with the USA politics. It killed her husband. She wanted away. He took her away. And was loaded with dough. Did she like him? Probably. But love? No. The love her life died right in front of her. I don't blame her one bit for getting out of it all. Was I upset when she married Onassis? yeah. But now that I am older, and can relate to things I couldn't at that time...I think she was lonely, sad, suffered PTSD due to a brain in her lap and did what she thought best at the time. It worked out for her. But she needs to be with her husband. POTUS of the USA.
Birth of a Nation isn't exactly looked favorably upon. Neither is Gone with the Wind (nowadays).I'm not aware of any history books in public education that glorify the Confederacy.
As for the monuments, that's up to locals to decide. If the locals want to remove them from their respective areas, then so be it, but it shouldn't be a federal agenda.
No, the history books generally try to pussy foot around the evils of the Confederacy. But what we do have is a whole history of popular literature that glorifies it, and that's the problem. From "Birth of a Nation" to "Gone with the Wind" to more recent efforts like "Gods and Generals".
More than you might think. In Georgia, for example, half of households owned at least one human.Yes, very few Confederate soldiers had slaves
Gracie, you've kinda been had. I don't know if this bill passed--there's no google hits since July--but even if it did, The legislation introduced by Senator Elizabeth Warren to redesignate military bases named after Confederate generals includes a provision that ensures all graves remain undisturbed.Warren's Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forward
Warrens Amendment to Desecrate Confederate Graves in Arlington now Moving Forwardconservative-daily.com
If passed as-is, this amendment would require that the federal government desecrate the graves of 482 Confederate soldiers buried in Arlington National Cemetery. The soldiers are buried in a circle around a massive, 106-year-old monument commemorating the Confederate soldiers who died in the Civil War. Every President since Teddy Roosevelt has laid a wreath at this monument. Yes, that includes Barack H. Obama. He paid his respects to the Confederate dead buried in Arlington back in 2009.
Warren's amendment would require that the memorial be removed from the grounds of Arlington. It is impossible to do this without disturbing the grave sites around the monument…
But it actually gets worse. Elizabeth Warren's amendment is so poorly written that while it gives an exception for gravestones, it does not exempt the graves themselves. Since being buried in Arlington is considered an honor, a literal reading of Warren's bill would require these Civil War soldiers to be exhumed and moved off the premises. Just think about how small of a person someone would have to be to write an amendment in 2020 that could force the exhumation of 482 Civil War soldiers because they disagree with the cause they fought for…
Even in a best case scenario, the graves would get to stay, but Arlington wouldn't be able to advertise where they're located. No signage… no mention in the maps… no helpful directions from staff… Anyone who has ever been to Arlington looking for a specific grave knows it is next to impossible to do without help and directions. So best case, the Confederates get to stay buried, but no one would be allowed to know where they are…
Just because some people want to write stories glorifying it is quite different from having schools teach it that way. Maybe you've had different history courses than I've had, but I remember the general presentation of the Confederacy in most of my history courses has been that the Civil War was a complicated conflict. It didn't glorify either side, but it did explain that slavery was only part of the cause for the war. The biggest factor that led up to the war was related to slavery but also had to do with the balance of political power among states.
Even in Germany, the approach toward dealing with the darker chapters of history is more nuanced than just tearing statues down. Germany still has museums and parks that have Nazi statues and paraphernalia that provide a full historical context for these things. America should take the same approach.
That's exactly my point. The history books in this country are written for "What's acceptable in Texas" because Texas is the biggest market for school texts in the country.
There should be nothing "complicated" about the Civil War. Some assholes kept wanting to own slaves when the majority of the country was against Slavery. They scared some dumb white trash into dying for them by telling them black men were going to fuck their women after the war if they lost. The revisionism started coming AFTER the war, when that didn't happen, and they had to come up with excuses why all that carnage happened, and that's when they started talking smack about "States Rights" and "Economic Oppression from the North".
Even in Germany, the approach toward dealing with the darker chapters of history is more nuanced than just tearing statues down. Germany still has museums and parks that have Nazi statues and paraphernalia that provide a full historical context for these things. America should take the same approach.
You won't find a statue of Adolf Hitler in the whole of Germany. As it should be. Same deal with Jefferson Davis.
Out of balance analogy. There was independence involved in the CSA history and world domination where the nazis and Soviets are concerned. Complete opposite.We cannot afford to forget the history of the Nazis, Soviets, or Confederates.