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By backing down on the Public Option.
And to what extent?
I think Obama has undeniably accomplished a lot in his first 3 years, but his over-reliance on diplomacy with Republicans has impeded critical progress.
I'm sure the cons/repubs on here are undoubtedly going to answer this question too, but at least try and be mature about it...
*plays flute to summon the small band of lefties out of the woodwork*
Obama should have invoked the 14th Amendment during the made-up debt crisis created by the Teapubs. He should have kept the Public Option on the table too. The Dems need to stop compromising when it's clear the other side has no intention of doing so. He'd better not compromise and give in to the pipeline if the Repubs attach it to the payroll tax cuts. I've been pretty pleased with Obama on the whole but if he caves on that one too, damn I'm gonna be pissed.
Yeah! it would be a fucking shame to put 20 thousand Americans to work and to find a source that isn't Arab.. we got it. we fucking got it. asswipe.
Obama should have invoked the 14th Amendment during the made-up debt crisis created by the Teapubs. He should have kept the Public Option on the table too. The Dems need to stop compromising when it's clear the other side has no intention of doing so. He'd better not compromise and give in to the pipeline if the Repubs attach it to the payroll tax cuts. I've been pretty pleased with Obama on the whole but if he caves on that one too, damn I'm gonna be pissed.
Yeah! it would be a fucking shame to put 20 thousand Americans to work and to find a source that isn't Arab.. we got it. we fucking got it. asswipe.
In this case, you mean Canada's got it. Yeah, it would be a shame to spend all that time and money investing in a filthy, polluting energy source instead of spending time and money on cleaner, cheaper alternatives.
Funny how the House Repubs are fired up all of sudden about jobs when they haven't given a shit about jobs since they took the majority.
And to what extent?
I think Obama has undeniably accomplished a lot in his first 3 years, but his over-reliance on diplomacy with Republicans has impeded critical progress.
I'm sure the cons/repubs on here are undoubtedly going to answer this question too, but at least try and be mature about it...
*plays flute to summon the small band of lefties out of the woodwork*
Obama should have invoked the 14th Amendment during the made-up debt crisis created by the Teapubs. He should have kept the Public Option on the table too. The Dems need to stop compromising when it's clear the other side has no intention of doing so. He'd better not compromise and give in to the pipeline if the Repubs attach it to the payroll tax cuts. I've been pretty pleased with Obama on the whole but if he caves on that one too, damn I'm gonna be pissed.
I absolutely agree with you on the 14th Amendment. Of course, the TPers claim Obama took total control of all medical care in the country, so I'm sure it doesn't take much imagination to know what they would claim if he had gone the 14th Amendment route. Still, would have been nice to see.
I see him compromising on the pipeline just like he did with the tax cuts for the wealthy. The GOP has proven they will destroy families in order to get what they want. Obama really has no choice.
Obama should have invoked the 14th Amendment during the made-up debt crisis created by the Teapubs. He should have kept the Public Option on the table too. The Dems need to stop compromising when it's clear the other side has no intention of doing so. He'd better not compromise and give in to the pipeline if the Repubs attach it to the payroll tax cuts. I've been pretty pleased with Obama on the whole but if he caves on that one too, damn I'm gonna be pissed.
I absolutely agree with you on the 14th Amendment. Of course, the TPers claim Obama took total control of all medical care in the country, so I'm sure it doesn't take much imagination to know what they would claim if he had gone the 14th Amendment route. Still, would have been nice to see.
I see him compromising on the pipeline just like he did with the tax cuts for the wealthy. The GOP has proven they will destroy families in order to get what they want. Obama really has no choice.
They sure have.
Reid declared the bill DOA anyway so hopefully he won't give Obama a chance to cave. If the payroll tax goes back up 2% to it's original amount, it would suck but it wouldn't be the end of the world to me. Let the GOP Obstructionists play their game. If it's going to hit them in their wallets, they'll eventually scramble and draw up a clean bill.
I absolutely agree with you on the 14th Amendment. Of course, the TPers claim Obama took total control of all medical care in the country, so I'm sure it doesn't take much imagination to know what they would claim if he had gone the 14th Amendment route. Still, would have been nice to see.
I see him compromising on the pipeline just like he did with the tax cuts for the wealthy. The GOP has proven they will destroy families in order to get what they want. Obama really has no choice.
They sure have.
Reid declared the bill DOA anyway so hopefully he won't give Obama a chance to cave. If the payroll tax goes back up 2% to it's original amount, it would suck but it wouldn't be the end of the world to me. Let the GOP Obstructionists play their game. If it's going to hit them in their wallets, they'll eventually scramble and draw up a clean bill.
So you support the continued fleecing and bankrupting of SS.
The cut has been ineffective., But as long as you get some welfare its good right?
They sure have.
Reid declared the bill DOA anyway so hopefully he won't give Obama a chance to cave. If the payroll tax goes back up 2% to it's original amount, it would suck but it wouldn't be the end of the world to me. Let the GOP Obstructionists play their game. If it's going to hit them in their wallets, they'll eventually scramble and draw up a clean bill.
So you support the continued fleecing and bankrupting of SS.
The cut has been ineffective., But as long as you get some welfare its good right?
Ineffective? First off, I thought conservatives believed any and all tax cuts are good. They always create jobs, always. Second, we've had private sector job growth every month since the cut was in place.
What world do you live in?
They sure have.
Reid declared the bill DOA anyway so hopefully he won't give Obama a chance to cave. If the payroll tax goes back up 2% to it's original amount, it would suck but it wouldn't be the end of the world to me. Let the GOP Obstructionists play their game. If it's going to hit them in their wallets, they'll eventually scramble and draw up a clean bill.
So you support the continued fleecing and bankrupting of SS.
The cut has been ineffective., But as long as you get some welfare its good right?
Ineffective? First off, I thought conservatives believed any and all tax cuts are good. They always create jobs, always. Second, we've had private sector job growth every month since the cut was in place.
What world do you live in?
trillions of the stimulus was given to banks overseas !!! yeah lets give em trillions more !! libbs are idiots !!What you already said...
...is the biggest reason for me. He and his admin. have also shown they're not much better than the Repubs when it comes to the big banks.
Yes, and what I find so bizarre about it is that Repubs are constantly trying to paint him as this liberal extremist. I mean that charge is just so patently false.
Agreed. In fact, one of my disappointments is that he has not been liberal enough! Specifically, a larger stimulus was needed and a public option should not have been taken off the table.
trillions of the stimulus was given to banks overseas !!! yeah lets give em trillions more !! libbs are idiots !!Yes, and what I find so bizarre about it is that Repubs are constantly trying to paint him as this liberal extremist. I mean that charge is just so patently false.
Agreed. In fact, one of my disappointments is that he has not been liberal enough! Specifically, a larger stimulus was needed and a public option should not have been taken off the table.
trillions of the stimulus was given to banks overseas !!! yeah lets give em trillions more !! libbs are idiots !!Agreed. In fact, one of my disappointments is that he has not been liberal enough! Specifically, a larger stimulus was needed and a public option should not have been taken off the table.
heh heh you think the stimulus was trillions?
I think you have some reading to do.
And to what extent?
I think Obama has undeniably accomplished a lot in his first 3 years, but his over-reliance on diplomacy with Republicans has impeded critical progress.
I'm sure the cons/repubs on here are undoubtedly going to answer this question too, but at least try and be mature about it...
*plays flute to summon the small band of lefties out of the woodwork*
You don't go after banks corporations too much in a bad recession. I haven't seen any plausible ways suggested to get them to stop hoarding.
Any public option would have lost us blue dogs and the whole ACA. COULDN'T get anymore.
I believe he could have seized the major banks and nationalized them. Then forced them to lend the money given them by Bush, and also force them to rewrite loans. That certainly would have helped get the country going again and was being called for by some of the more far left liberals.
I didn't mean to suggest a Public Option would have made it all the way through, but Obama dropped it quicker than he dropped smoking. That never made sense to me.
They sure have.
Reid declared the bill DOA anyway so hopefully he won't give Obama a chance to cave. If the payroll tax goes back up 2% to it's original amount, it would suck but it wouldn't be the end of the world to me. Let the GOP Obstructionists play their game. If it's going to hit them in their wallets, they'll eventually scramble and draw up a clean bill.
So you support the continued fleecing and bankrupting of SS.
The cut has been ineffective., But as long as you get some welfare its good right?
Ineffective? First off, I thought conservatives believed any and all tax cuts are good. They always create jobs, always. Second, we've had private sector job growth every month since the cut was in place.
What world do you live in?
*Snickers*
Wait a minute! You're not a liberal! Shoo! Shoo! *hits with broom*
Unless there has been a rule change while I've been away, I can post whatever I want, wherever I want. It's a message board, honey, there is no 'broom'.... except in your head.
Twit.
You don't go after banks corporations too much in a bad recession. I haven't seen any plausible ways suggested to get them to stop hoarding.
Any public option would have lost us blue dogs and the whole ACA. COULDN'T get anymore.
I believe he could have seized the major banks and nationalized them. Then forced them to lend the money given them by Bush, and also force them to rewrite loans. That certainly would have helped get the country going again and was being called for by some of the more far left liberals.
I didn't mean to suggest a Public Option would have made it all the way through, but Obama dropped it quicker than he dropped smoking. That never made sense to me.
What makes you think that a US President has the right to seize banks and nationalize them? The reason that the US has always attracted foreign investment is that we are a nation of laws in which the owners of private companies are protected from arbitrary "seizures" of their assets by the government. Do you not grasp that this is what makes us different than so many other places in the world?
As for "forcing" banks to make loans? Have you so quickly forgotten that doing THAT was what got us into trouble with the housing bubble that just burst? It used to be that banks looked for 20% down on a house and one had to PROVE credit worthiness. That all changed when government intervened in the process and forced banks to make loans to people that didn't qualify under previous standards. "Forcing" banks into making bad loans was bad policy before and it remains so now.
You mean like Obamacare? Give some examples of this. It just shows how looney left you are. Obama is the most divisive bitterly partisan President in my lifetime, and that's up against some pretty stiff competition.
Really? How old are you? I'd have to say Nixon was the most divisive one I've ever lived through. Do you have some examples of how bitterly divisive Obama has been?
I agree. Either Kaz thinks George W. Bush is a centrist, or Kaz is a child.
I wonder which it is.