THIS IS HUGE! — BREAKING NEWS FROM ARIZONA AUDIT: The Number Of Illegal Votes In Maricopa County Could Easily Reach More Than 250,000 Votes

[Dragonlady]

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

This has jack squat to do with doing elections "correctly". It's a crass stunt by Republicans to sow doubt and confusion regarding the election process. They lost, so now they want to flip the table. Fuck them.

that’s mere propaganda from the left..and fearmongering...stop already. The people of Arizona care...their reps have spoken and the Court didn’t go along with your attempt to stop it

You’re right the people of Arizona have spoken. They elected Joe Biden.

A mere handful of Republican senators on one committee, have decided against to conduct a third audit of the votes. This was over the objections of their own secretary of state.

This is not being done for the benefit of the people of Arizona or on their behalf. This is being done to push through voter suppression legislation to make it more difficult for urban voters to cast their ballots in any Republican held states.

 

[Faun]

Now OANN is involved in Arizona's Senate election audit? Can this thing get any more absurd?
Opinion: The Arizona Senate's auditors have selected their broadcast partner for the election audit, a right-wing cable TV network renowned for spreading conspiracy theories. Why am I not surprised?
Laurie Roberts
Arizona Republic

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OANN will livestream Arizona's election audit? That's just absurd (azcentral.com)

The channel is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.[41] On November 24, 2020, YouTube suspended and demonetized OANN's channel for one week as a first strike under its three-strike community guideline violation policy for advertising a false cure for COVID-19.[39]
One America News Network - Wikipedia

Fake news. OAN has the same access and camara video stream as everybody else. Other media sources are just afraid to report on this story.

BULLSHIT. Other media sources are being BARRED from entry. Only OAN is in their. One journalist snuck in as a poll watcher, and she was barred from entry the second day, after they found out who she was.



A fake cyber security company is doing an "audit" of the votes, without the following the state guidelines for an audit, using untrained workers, using blue and black pens which spoil the ballots. All of this is being records by an fake new network, which is financing this fiasco, based on the Donald Trump's lie that the election was "stolen".

What could possibly go wrong???

The Press is barred entry? Geez...you'd think it was a tax payer funded ICE detention center....

Are you ok with a private firm being given access to ballots which they can alter with no oversight?

as opposed to a "public" firm? someone has to do the audit. I would imagine if they want to present their evidence in Court...since this part of a Court proceeding, they would have to swear under oath...just like anyone else presenting evidence, including "public" firms...So, I am fine with it

Oh? What court ordered this audit?

Maricopa County Superior Court.

The Senate order the audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said, fine, you can have an injuction....but you have to pay the folks that were about to do the audit for the time and prep, or it will go forward. The Dems didn't pay. The Court Order the audit to go forward.

Not quite. The Republican Senate didn't just order the audit, they subpoenaed the ballots. That's not a court proceeding. Not even with a court denying Democrats' attempts in court to prevent the audit.

Well the Senate doesn't belong to one party or the other...it's just the Senate. The Senate order a forensic audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said they could have an injuction if they payed the cost already expended by the companies retained, they didn't...and order the audit to continue

Their Senate is under Republican control. Who the fuck knows why you tried to ignore that? Still, it's not a court ordered audit. It was ordered by Arizona Republican Senators who first issued the subpoenas. All the court did was to affirm the Senate had the legal authority to issue the subpoenas. That in no way makes this a court ordered audit as the court never ordered it. At most, they allowed it and even then, only because Arizona law allows their state Senate to authorize it.

Still, it's a sham audit. Despite some 80% of all ballots in all of Arizona being mail-in ballots, this audit is examining only ballots from the state's most left-leaning county. Rather than hire a reputable and qualified firm to perform the audit, they hired a company with zero auditing experience, led by a conspiracy nut who himself promoted the Big Lie. Now they're in possession of the ballots where their reportedly marking them up illegally with wrong colored pens and there's no oversight. They could be destroying ballots by marking votes for all anyone knows. Who knows why you're ok with that?

The Senate is the Senate...but whatever..

The Senate order the audit, the elected representatives of the people. The Dems filed a lawsuit, the Judge granted the injunction, if they paid the cost to the companies for the cost of what they have spent, if not the audit was to go forward...they didn't, those the Court's Order for the audit to continue went forward.

This isn't rocket science.

No, it's not, which leaves me wondering why you lied and referred to the audit as "court ordered" when it was really ordered by Arizona's Republican-led state Senate?

Because it was...the Court Ordered that the Audit continue, unless the Dems paid the contractors. They didn't...thus the Order was enforced.

This really isn't hard to grasp.

The court did NOT order the audit be continued. He simply didn't order that it be stopped. Legally this is a HUGE distinction. There is no court order to continue the audit and to say otherwise, is just another flat out lie, which is all that has been going on since the process started.

wrong, the court in fact ORDERed the injunction if the dems paid the contractors for the money they would have lost for preparing, if the dems djdnt the Order thus said the audit could continue.

A Court speaks through its ORDERS

You just can't stop lying. There was no court order to audit ballots. There's no law w at says a private company has to audit ballots so there's no court that can order Cyber Ninja's to do so.

I never said there was a law that requred cyber ninja to do the audit...why do you think there has to be a law for a Court to have an Order for someone to do something?

What I said was totally factual correct...the Senate speaking for the people that elected them order the audit, the Dems objected and filed a lawsuit..the Court speaking through it's Orders, Ordered the injuction the Dems requested, on condition they paid the company for money they would have lost preparing for the audit, and if they didn't Ordered the audit to continue

Utterly false. The Order does NOT require the audit to continue. It only states that the audit is to be stopped if the Democrats cover the costs.

The Court in no way opines as to whether or not the audit is legal or whether it is being done in accordance with state law. The Order only covers the circumstances under which the Democrats can force the audit to stop.

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. THE COURT REFUSED TO OPINE ON THE LEGALITY, NECESSITY OR EVEN WHETHER THE AUDIT IS LEGAL. NONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE CLAIMING THE JUDGE ISSUED THE ORDER ABOUT.

and if they don’t it’s ordered to continue...hence why it’s going on!

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

why would the audit be illegal and why would the court opine on things even the dems didn’t raise in their request?

Then they should have hired a reputable firm with experience in auditing elections. Instead, they hired a firm with zero such experience and is headed by a conspiracy nut who's going into this process with the preconceived notion that he will find fraud, which wouldn't be so bad if this was being done transparently. But it's not. Cyber Ninjas refuses to let the media inside other than RWNJ OANN, who also promotes the Big Lie; asked the court not to publicly reveal their methods; is refusing to reveal who's funding most of this effort; and worst of all, there is not 100% bipartisan representation reviewing ballots or observing counters. Meaning the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, who publicly promoted the Big Lie but was unable to prove it -- is now in a position to falsify the results of this audit to correct his public statements in the past.

they did. The Court didn’t take issue with the firm either. If the dems really had an issue they would have followed the Order and stopped the audit...they didn’t. It’s obvious the only issue the dems had was getting the audit done

Don't just say it -- post this order you keep talking about. Prove it really exists. And I don't mean post an article about it -- post the order....

 

[struth]

i made no assumptions just spoke facts

why are you talking about the legality of it? nobody even challenged that so why would the court address it?

the people of Arizona disagree with you view on its wastefulness and care about having a fair and accurate election.

Ok, you've convinced me ... you're pathological.

You claim no one challenged the legality of the audit; but that too is a lie. Yes, there were some legal challenges, starting with...

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ah i missed that...and the Court ordered the audit to go on...so they lost.

 

[struth]

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

This has jack squat to do with doing elections "correctly". It's a crass stunt by Republicans to sow doubt and confusion regarding the election process. They lost, so now they want to flip the table. Fuck them.

that’s mere propaganda from the left..and fearmongering...stop already. The people of Arizona care...their reps have spoken and the Court didn’t go along with your attempt to stop it

You’re right the people of Arizona have spoken. They elected Joe Biden.

A mere handful of Republican senators on one committee, have decided against to conduct a third audit of the votes. This was over the objections of their own secretary of state.

This is not being done for the benefit of the people of Arizona or on their behalf. This is being done to push through voter suppression legislation to make it more difficult for urban voters to cast their ballots in any Republican held states.

Joe Biden has nothing to do with the State legislature...duhhhhhb

 

[struth]

Now OANN is involved in Arizona's Senate election audit? Can this thing get any more absurd?
Opinion: The Arizona Senate's auditors have selected their broadcast partner for the election audit, a right-wing cable TV network renowned for spreading conspiracy theories. Why am I not surprised?
Laurie Roberts
Arizona Republic

-------
OANN will livestream Arizona's election audit? That's just absurd (azcentral.com)

The channel is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.[41] On November 24, 2020, YouTube suspended and demonetized OANN's channel for one week as a first strike under its three-strike community guideline violation policy for advertising a false cure for COVID-19.[39]
One America News Network - Wikipedia

Fake news. OAN has the same access and camara video stream as everybody else. Other media sources are just afraid to report on this story.

BULLSHIT. Other media sources are being BARRED from entry. Only OAN is in their. One journalist snuck in as a poll watcher, and she was barred from entry the second day, after they found out who she was.



A fake cyber security company is doing an "audit" of the votes, without the following the state guidelines for an audit, using untrained workers, using blue and black pens which spoil the ballots. All of this is being records by an fake new network, which is financing this fiasco, based on the Donald Trump's lie that the election was "stolen".

What could possibly go wrong???

The Press is barred entry? Geez...you'd think it was a tax payer funded ICE detention center....

Are you ok with a private firm being given access to ballots which they can alter with no oversight?

as opposed to a "public" firm? someone has to do the audit. I would imagine if they want to present their evidence in Court...since this part of a Court proceeding, they would have to swear under oath...just like anyone else presenting evidence, including "public" firms...So, I am fine with it

Oh? What court ordered this audit?

Maricopa County Superior Court.

The Senate order the audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said, fine, you can have an injuction....but you have to pay the folks that were about to do the audit for the time and prep, or it will go forward. The Dems didn't pay. The Court Order the audit to go forward.

Not quite. The Republican Senate didn't just order the audit, they subpoenaed the ballots. That's not a court proceeding. Not even with a court denying Democrats' attempts in court to prevent the audit.

Well the Senate doesn't belong to one party or the other...it's just the Senate. The Senate order a forensic audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said they could have an injuction if they payed the cost already expended by the companies retained, they didn't...and order the audit to continue

Their Senate is under Republican control. Who the fuck knows why you tried to ignore that? Still, it's not a court ordered audit. It was ordered by Arizona Republican Senators who first issued the subpoenas. All the court did was to affirm the Senate had the legal authority to issue the subpoenas. That in no way makes this a court ordered audit as the court never ordered it. At most, they allowed it and even then, only because Arizona law allows their state Senate to authorize it.

Still, it's a sham audit. Despite some 80% of all ballots in all of Arizona being mail-in ballots, this audit is examining only ballots from the state's most left-leaning county. Rather than hire a reputable and qualified firm to perform the audit, they hired a company with zero auditing experience, led by a conspiracy nut who himself promoted the Big Lie. Now they're in possession of the ballots where their reportedly marking them up illegally with wrong colored pens and there's no oversight. They could be destroying ballots by marking votes for all anyone knows. Who knows why you're ok with that?

The Senate is the Senate...but whatever..

The Senate order the audit, the elected representatives of the people. The Dems filed a lawsuit, the Judge granted the injunction, if they paid the cost to the companies for the cost of what they have spent, if not the audit was to go forward...they didn't, those the Court's Order for the audit to continue went forward.

This isn't rocket science.

No, it's not, which leaves me wondering why you lied and referred to the audit as "court ordered" when it was really ordered by Arizona's Republican-led state Senate?

Because it was...the Court Ordered that the Audit continue, unless the Dems paid the contractors. They didn't...thus the Order was enforced.

This really isn't hard to grasp.

The court did NOT order the audit be continued. He simply didn't order that it be stopped. Legally this is a HUGE distinction. There is no court order to continue the audit and to say otherwise, is just another flat out lie, which is all that has been going on since the process started.

wrong, the court in fact ORDERed the injunction if the dems paid the contractors for the money they would have lost for preparing, if the dems djdnt the Order thus said the audit could continue.

A Court speaks through its ORDERS

You just can't stop lying. There was no court order to audit ballots. There's no law w at says a private company has to audit ballots so there's no court that can order Cyber Ninja's to do so.

I never said there was a law that requred cyber ninja to do the audit...why do you think there has to be a law for a Court to have an Order for someone to do something?

What I said was totally factual correct...the Senate speaking for the people that elected them order the audit, the Dems objected and filed a lawsuit..the Court speaking through it's Orders, Ordered the injuction the Dems requested, on condition they paid the company for money they would have lost preparing for the audit, and if they didn't Ordered the audit to continue

Utterly false. The Order does NOT require the audit to continue. It only states that the audit is to be stopped if the Democrats cover the costs.

The Court in no way opines as to whether or not the audit is legal or whether it is being done in accordance with state law. The Order only covers the circumstances under which the Democrats can force the audit to stop.

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. THE COURT REFUSED TO OPINE ON THE LEGALITY, NECESSITY OR EVEN WHETHER THE AUDIT IS LEGAL. NONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE CLAIMING THE JUDGE ISSUED THE ORDER ABOUT.

and if they don’t it’s ordered to continue...hence why it’s going on!

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

why would the audit be illegal and why would the court opine on things even the dems didn’t raise in their request?

Then they should have hired a reputable firm with experience in auditing elections. Instead, they hired a firm with zero such experience and is headed by a conspiracy nut who's going into this process with the preconceived notion that he will find fraud, which wouldn't be so bad if this was being done transparently. But it's not. Cyber Ninjas refuses to let the media inside other than RWNJ OANN, who also promotes the Big Lie; asked the court not to publicly reveal their methods; is refusing to reveal who's funding most of this effort; and worst of all, there is not 100% bipartisan representation reviewing ballots or observing counters. Meaning the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, who publicly promoted the Big Lie but was unable to prove it -- is now in a position to falsify the results of this audit to correct his public statements in the past.

they did. The Court didn’t take issue with the firm either. If the dems really had an issue they would have followed the Order and stopped the audit...they didn’t. It’s obvious the only issue the dems had was getting the audit done

Don't just say it -- post this order you keep talking about. Prove it really exists. And I don't mean post an article about it -- post the order....

haha have you not read this thread?

 

[TNHarley]

and it won't be surprising if they start planning more terrorist attacks.

IDK how these people live with the level of dishonesty they have. Its mind blowing.

 

[Dragonlady]

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

This has jack squat to do with doing elections "correctly". It's a crass stunt by Republicans to sow doubt and confusion regarding the election process. They lost, so now they want to flip the table. Fuck them.

LOL, but it was fine in 2016. Progs are nothing if not hypocrites.

Hillary won the popular vote by a large margin so there was a good and valid reason for objecting to certifying Donald Trump.

Donald Trump lost the popular vote hugely in 2020. The election is certified to be one of the fairest and most honest elections in US history, if not the most honest election. It was certified by the department of justice. It was certified by the department of homeland security. It was certified by the secretaries of State in all 50 states in the union.

Donald Trump brought in an election oversight group from Europe to determine the honesty and veracity of the election and they certified it to be fair and honest.

Donald Trump has been claiming that he won this election since before it happened. He said if he lost it was because the election was rigged. He continues this lie to this day. He even sent a mobbto stop the certification in Congress.

There is absolutely no comparison between anything that happened in 2016 and what happened in 2020. So just stop fucking lying!

 

[Faun]

Now OANN is involved in Arizona's Senate election audit? Can this thing get any more absurd?
Opinion: The Arizona Senate's auditors have selected their broadcast partner for the election audit, a right-wing cable TV network renowned for spreading conspiracy theories. Why am I not surprised?
Laurie Roberts
Arizona Republic

-------
OANN will livestream Arizona's election audit? That's just absurd (azcentral.com)

The channel is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.[41] On November 24, 2020, YouTube suspended and demonetized OANN's channel for one week as a first strike under its three-strike community guideline violation policy for advertising a false cure for COVID-19.[39]
One America News Network - Wikipedia

Fake news. OAN has the same access and camara video stream as everybody else. Other media sources are just afraid to report on this story.

BULLSHIT. Other media sources are being BARRED from entry. Only OAN is in their. One journalist snuck in as a poll watcher, and she was barred from entry the second day, after they found out who she was.



A fake cyber security company is doing an "audit" of the votes, without the following the state guidelines for an audit, using untrained workers, using blue and black pens which spoil the ballots. All of this is being records by an fake new network, which is financing this fiasco, based on the Donald Trump's lie that the election was "stolen".

What could possibly go wrong???

The Press is barred entry? Geez...you'd think it was a tax payer funded ICE detention center....

Are you ok with a private firm being given access to ballots which they can alter with no oversight?

as opposed to a "public" firm? someone has to do the audit. I would imagine if they want to present their evidence in Court...since this part of a Court proceeding, they would have to swear under oath...just like anyone else presenting evidence, including "public" firms...So, I am fine with it

Oh? What court ordered this audit?

Maricopa County Superior Court.

The Senate order the audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said, fine, you can have an injuction....but you have to pay the folks that were about to do the audit for the time and prep, or it will go forward. The Dems didn't pay. The Court Order the audit to go forward.

Not quite. The Republican Senate didn't just order the audit, they subpoenaed the ballots. That's not a court proceeding. Not even with a court denying Democrats' attempts in court to prevent the audit.

Well the Senate doesn't belong to one party or the other...it's just the Senate. The Senate order a forensic audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said they could have an injuction if they payed the cost already expended by the companies retained, they didn't...and order the audit to continue

Their Senate is under Republican control. Who the fuck knows why you tried to ignore that? Still, it's not a court ordered audit. It was ordered by Arizona Republican Senators who first issued the subpoenas. All the court did was to affirm the Senate had the legal authority to issue the subpoenas. That in no way makes this a court ordered audit as the court never ordered it. At most, they allowed it and even then, only because Arizona law allows their state Senate to authorize it.

Still, it's a sham audit. Despite some 80% of all ballots in all of Arizona being mail-in ballots, this audit is examining only ballots from the state's most left-leaning county. Rather than hire a reputable and qualified firm to perform the audit, they hired a company with zero auditing experience, led by a conspiracy nut who himself promoted the Big Lie. Now they're in possession of the ballots where their reportedly marking them up illegally with wrong colored pens and there's no oversight. They could be destroying ballots by marking votes for all anyone knows. Who knows why you're ok with that?

The Senate is the Senate...but whatever..

The Senate order the audit, the elected representatives of the people. The Dems filed a lawsuit, the Judge granted the injunction, if they paid the cost to the companies for the cost of what they have spent, if not the audit was to go forward...they didn't, those the Court's Order for the audit to continue went forward.

This isn't rocket science.

No, it's not, which leaves me wondering why you lied and referred to the audit as "court ordered" when it was really ordered by Arizona's Republican-led state Senate?

Because it was...the Court Ordered that the Audit continue, unless the Dems paid the contractors. They didn't...thus the Order was enforced.

This really isn't hard to grasp.

The court did NOT order the audit be continued. He simply didn't order that it be stopped. Legally this is a HUGE distinction. There is no court order to continue the audit and to say otherwise, is just another flat out lie, which is all that has been going on since the process started.

wrong, the court in fact ORDERed the injunction if the dems paid the contractors for the money they would have lost for preparing, if the dems djdnt the Order thus said the audit could continue.

A Court speaks through its ORDERS

You just can't stop lying. There was no court order to audit ballots. There's no law w at says a private company has to audit ballots so there's no court that can order Cyber Ninja's to do so.

I never said there was a law that requred cyber ninja to do the audit...why do you think there has to be a law for a Court to have an Order for someone to do something?

What I said was totally factual correct...the Senate speaking for the people that elected them order the audit, the Dems objected and filed a lawsuit..the Court speaking through it's Orders, Ordered the injuction the Dems requested, on condition they paid the company for money they would have lost preparing for the audit, and if they didn't Ordered the audit to continue

Utterly false. The Order does NOT require the audit to continue. It only states that the audit is to be stopped if the Democrats cover the costs.

The Court in no way opines as to whether or not the audit is legal or whether it is being done in accordance with state law. The Order only covers the circumstances under which the Democrats can force the audit to stop.

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. THE COURT REFUSED TO OPINE ON THE LEGALITY, NECESSITY OR EVEN WHETHER THE AUDIT IS LEGAL. NONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE CLAIMING THE JUDGE ISSUED THE ORDER ABOUT.

and if they don’t it’s ordered to continue...hence why it’s going on!

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

why would the audit be illegal and why would the court opine on things even the dems didn’t raise in their request?

Your assumption is utterly and completely false. Not ordering it stop is not the same thing as ordering it to continue. If Democrats don't pay to stop the count, it's up to the Senate which ordered it what happens to the count.

The court very specifically did not make any other ruling on this legality of this audit other than the circumstances under which the Democrats could end it.

This audit is a massive waste of taxpayer dollars and regardless of what the "auditors" claim is the result, the audit will have no effect whatsoever, other than to make money for the auditors, and continue to spread lies and disinformation.

i made no assumptions just spoke facts

why are you talking about the legality of it? nobody even challenged that so why would the court address it?

the people of Arizona disagree with you view on its wastefulness and care about having a fair and accurate election.

The Democrats most certainly did challenge the legality of the audit, based on the lack of transparency of the Cyber Ninjas in describing their methods of conducting the audit, and whether or not they were following state law in that regard.

No press allowed other than OAN. No training for those conducting the audit. Refusal by the Cyber Ninjas to confirm their methods. Blue and black pens spoiling ballots.

This audit has no legality and no credibility whatsoever.

no they asked for an injunction. The Court Ordered them to pay up if they wanted it or the audit would go forward.

The dems delay tactic was called out and of course they backed down and now we have the audit that the people of arizona wanted and are getting

LOL

You actually said the court ordered the injunction if the plaintiffs would pay up. That is wrong as there was no injunction ordered. There was an offer by the court to order a temporary injunction if they paid the bond. The plaintiffs opted not to pay it because it was a large sum of money which they would have lost had the lost the lawsuit.

 

[Faun]

i made no assumptions just spoke facts

why are you talking about the legality of it? nobody even challenged that so why would the court address it?

the people of Arizona disagree with you view on its wastefulness and care about having a fair and accurate election.

Ok, you've convinced me ... you're pathological.

You claim no one challenged the legality of the audit; but that too is a lie. Yes, there were some legal challenges, starting with...

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ah i missed that...and the Court ordered the audit to go on...so they lost.

Great, then post the court order showing the Democrats' lawsuit was dismissed....

You keep spouting lies as evidenced by your utter inability to provide any of the court documents of which you speak.

 

[Faun]

Now OANN is involved in Arizona's Senate election audit? Can this thing get any more absurd?
Opinion: The Arizona Senate's auditors have selected their broadcast partner for the election audit, a right-wing cable TV network renowned for spreading conspiracy theories. Why am I not surprised?
Laurie Roberts
Arizona Republic

-------
OANN will livestream Arizona's election audit? That's just absurd (azcentral.com)

The channel is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.[41] On November 24, 2020, YouTube suspended and demonetized OANN's channel for one week as a first strike under its three-strike community guideline violation policy for advertising a false cure for COVID-19.[39]
One America News Network - Wikipedia

Fake news. OAN has the same access and camara video stream as everybody else. Other media sources are just afraid to report on this story.

BULLSHIT. Other media sources are being BARRED from entry. Only OAN is in their. One journalist snuck in as a poll watcher, and she was barred from entry the second day, after they found out who she was.



A fake cyber security company is doing an "audit" of the votes, without the following the state guidelines for an audit, using untrained workers, using blue and black pens which spoil the ballots. All of this is being records by an fake new network, which is financing this fiasco, based on the Donald Trump's lie that the election was "stolen".

What could possibly go wrong???

The Press is barred entry? Geez...you'd think it was a tax payer funded ICE detention center....

Are you ok with a private firm being given access to ballots which they can alter with no oversight?

as opposed to a "public" firm? someone has to do the audit. I would imagine if they want to present their evidence in Court...since this part of a Court proceeding, they would have to swear under oath...just like anyone else presenting evidence, including "public" firms...So, I am fine with it

Oh? What court ordered this audit?

Maricopa County Superior Court.

The Senate order the audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said, fine, you can have an injuction....but you have to pay the folks that were about to do the audit for the time and prep, or it will go forward. The Dems didn't pay. The Court Order the audit to go forward.

Not quite. The Republican Senate didn't just order the audit, they subpoenaed the ballots. That's not a court proceeding. Not even with a court denying Democrats' attempts in court to prevent the audit.

Well the Senate doesn't belong to one party or the other...it's just the Senate. The Senate order a forensic audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said they could have an injuction if they payed the cost already expended by the companies retained, they didn't...and order the audit to continue

Their Senate is under Republican control. Who the fuck knows why you tried to ignore that? Still, it's not a court ordered audit. It was ordered by Arizona Republican Senators who first issued the subpoenas. All the court did was to affirm the Senate had the legal authority to issue the subpoenas. That in no way makes this a court ordered audit as the court never ordered it. At most, they allowed it and even then, only because Arizona law allows their state Senate to authorize it.

Still, it's a sham audit. Despite some 80% of all ballots in all of Arizona being mail-in ballots, this audit is examining only ballots from the state's most left-leaning county. Rather than hire a reputable and qualified firm to perform the audit, they hired a company with zero auditing experience, led by a conspiracy nut who himself promoted the Big Lie. Now they're in possession of the ballots where their reportedly marking them up illegally with wrong colored pens and there's no oversight. They could be destroying ballots by marking votes for all anyone knows. Who knows why you're ok with that?

The Senate is the Senate...but whatever..

The Senate order the audit, the elected representatives of the people. The Dems filed a lawsuit, the Judge granted the injunction, if they paid the cost to the companies for the cost of what they have spent, if not the audit was to go forward...they didn't, those the Court's Order for the audit to continue went forward.

This isn't rocket science.

No, it's not, which leaves me wondering why you lied and referred to the audit as "court ordered" when it was really ordered by Arizona's Republican-led state Senate?

Because it was...the Court Ordered that the Audit continue, unless the Dems paid the contractors. They didn't...thus the Order was enforced.

This really isn't hard to grasp.

The court did NOT order the audit be continued. He simply didn't order that it be stopped. Legally this is a HUGE distinction. There is no court order to continue the audit and to say otherwise, is just another flat out lie, which is all that has been going on since the process started.

wrong, the court in fact ORDERed the injunction if the dems paid the contractors for the money they would have lost for preparing, if the dems djdnt the Order thus said the audit could continue.

A Court speaks through its ORDERS

You just can't stop lying. There was no court order to audit ballots. There's no law w at says a private company has to audit ballots so there's no court that can order Cyber Ninja's to do so.

I never said there was a law that requred cyber ninja to do the audit...why do you think there has to be a law for a Court to have an Order for someone to do something?

What I said was totally factual correct...the Senate speaking for the people that elected them order the audit, the Dems objected and filed a lawsuit..the Court speaking through it's Orders, Ordered the injuction the Dems requested, on condition they paid the company for money they would have lost preparing for the audit, and if they didn't Ordered the audit to continue

Utterly false. The Order does NOT require the audit to continue. It only states that the audit is to be stopped if the Democrats cover the costs.

The Court in no way opines as to whether or not the audit is legal or whether it is being done in accordance with state law. The Order only covers the circumstances under which the Democrats can force the audit to stop.

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. THE COURT REFUSED TO OPINE ON THE LEGALITY, NECESSITY OR EVEN WHETHER THE AUDIT IS LEGAL. NONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE CLAIMING THE JUDGE ISSUED THE ORDER ABOUT.

and if they don’t it’s ordered to continue...hence why it’s going on!

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

why would the audit be illegal and why would the court opine on things even the dems didn’t raise in their request?

Then they should have hired a reputable firm with experience in auditing elections. Instead, they hired a firm with zero such experience and is headed by a conspiracy nut who's going into this process with the preconceived notion that he will find fraud, which wouldn't be so bad if this was being done transparently. But it's not. Cyber Ninjas refuses to let the media inside other than RWNJ OANN, who also promotes the Big Lie; asked the court not to publicly reveal their methods; is refusing to reveal who's funding most of this effort; and worst of all, there is not 100% bipartisan representation reviewing ballots or observing counters. Meaning the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, who publicly promoted the Big Lie but was unable to prove it -- is now in a position to falsify the results of this audit to correct his public statements in the past.

they did. The Court didn’t take issue with the firm either. If the dems really had an issue they would have followed the Order and stopped the audit...they didn’t. It’s obvious the only issue the dems had was getting the audit done

Don't just say it -- post this order you keep talking about. Prove it really exists. And I don't mean post an article about it -- post the order....

haha have you not read this thread?

So you're refusing to post any court documents to corroborate the claims you're making about court rulings. Is that right?

 

[struth]

Now OANN is involved in Arizona's Senate election audit? Can this thing get any more absurd?
Opinion: The Arizona Senate's auditors have selected their broadcast partner for the election audit, a right-wing cable TV network renowned for spreading conspiracy theories. Why am I not surprised?
Laurie Roberts
Arizona Republic

-------
OANN will livestream Arizona's election audit? That's just absurd (azcentral.com)

The channel is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.[41] On November 24, 2020, YouTube suspended and demonetized OANN's channel for one week as a first strike under its three-strike community guideline violation policy for advertising a false cure for COVID-19.[39]
One America News Network - Wikipedia

Fake news. OAN has the same access and camara video stream as everybody else. Other media sources are just afraid to report on this story.

BULLSHIT. Other media sources are being BARRED from entry. Only OAN is in their. One journalist snuck in as a poll watcher, and she was barred from entry the second day, after they found out who she was.



A fake cyber security company is doing an "audit" of the votes, without the following the state guidelines for an audit, using untrained workers, using blue and black pens which spoil the ballots. All of this is being records by an fake new network, which is financing this fiasco, based on the Donald Trump's lie that the election was "stolen".

What could possibly go wrong???

The Press is barred entry? Geez...you'd think it was a tax payer funded ICE detention center....

Are you ok with a private firm being given access to ballots which they can alter with no oversight?

as opposed to a "public" firm? someone has to do the audit. I would imagine if they want to present their evidence in Court...since this part of a Court proceeding, they would have to swear under oath...just like anyone else presenting evidence, including "public" firms...So, I am fine with it

Oh? What court ordered this audit?

Maricopa County Superior Court.

The Senate order the audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said, fine, you can have an injuction....but you have to pay the folks that were about to do the audit for the time and prep, or it will go forward. The Dems didn't pay. The Court Order the audit to go forward.

Not quite. The Republican Senate didn't just order the audit, they subpoenaed the ballots. That's not a court proceeding. Not even with a court denying Democrats' attempts in court to prevent the audit.

Well the Senate doesn't belong to one party or the other...it's just the Senate. The Senate order a forensic audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said they could have an injuction if they payed the cost already expended by the companies retained, they didn't...and order the audit to continue

Their Senate is under Republican control. Who the fuck knows why you tried to ignore that? Still, it's not a court ordered audit. It was ordered by Arizona Republican Senators who first issued the subpoenas. All the court did was to affirm the Senate had the legal authority to issue the subpoenas. That in no way makes this a court ordered audit as the court never ordered it. At most, they allowed it and even then, only because Arizona law allows their state Senate to authorize it.

Still, it's a sham audit. Despite some 80% of all ballots in all of Arizona being mail-in ballots, this audit is examining only ballots from the state's most left-leaning county. Rather than hire a reputable and qualified firm to perform the audit, they hired a company with zero auditing experience, led by a conspiracy nut who himself promoted the Big Lie. Now they're in possession of the ballots where their reportedly marking them up illegally with wrong colored pens and there's no oversight. They could be destroying ballots by marking votes for all anyone knows. Who knows why you're ok with that?

The Senate is the Senate...but whatever..

The Senate order the audit, the elected representatives of the people. The Dems filed a lawsuit, the Judge granted the injunction, if they paid the cost to the companies for the cost of what they have spent, if not the audit was to go forward...they didn't, those the Court's Order for the audit to continue went forward.

This isn't rocket science.

No, it's not, which leaves me wondering why you lied and referred to the audit as "court ordered" when it was really ordered by Arizona's Republican-led state Senate?

Because it was...the Court Ordered that the Audit continue, unless the Dems paid the contractors. They didn't...thus the Order was enforced.

This really isn't hard to grasp.

The court did NOT order the audit be continued. He simply didn't order that it be stopped. Legally this is a HUGE distinction. There is no court order to continue the audit and to say otherwise, is just another flat out lie, which is all that has been going on since the process started.

wrong, the court in fact ORDERed the injunction if the dems paid the contractors for the money they would have lost for preparing, if the dems djdnt the Order thus said the audit could continue.

A Court speaks through its ORDERS

You just can't stop lying. There was no court order to audit ballots. There's no law w at says a private company has to audit ballots so there's no court that can order Cyber Ninja's to do so.

I never said there was a law that requred cyber ninja to do the audit...why do you think there has to be a law for a Court to have an Order for someone to do something?

What I said was totally factual correct...the Senate speaking for the people that elected them order the audit, the Dems objected and filed a lawsuit..the Court speaking through it's Orders, Ordered the injuction the Dems requested, on condition they paid the company for money they would have lost preparing for the audit, and if they didn't Ordered the audit to continue

Utterly false. The Order does NOT require the audit to continue. It only states that the audit is to be stopped if the Democrats cover the costs.

The Court in no way opines as to whether or not the audit is legal or whether it is being done in accordance with state law. The Order only covers the circumstances under which the Democrats can force the audit to stop.

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. THE COURT REFUSED TO OPINE ON THE LEGALITY, NECESSITY OR EVEN WHETHER THE AUDIT IS LEGAL. NONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE CLAIMING THE JUDGE ISSUED THE ORDER ABOUT.

and if they don’t it’s ordered to continue...hence why it’s going on!

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

why would the audit be illegal and why would the court opine on things even the dems didn’t raise in their request?

Then they should have hired a reputable firm with experience in auditing elections. Instead, they hired a firm with zero such experience and is headed by a conspiracy nut who's going into this process with the preconceived notion that he will find fraud, which wouldn't be so bad if this was being done transparently. But it's not. Cyber Ninjas refuses to let the media inside other than RWNJ OANN, who also promotes the Big Lie; asked the court not to publicly reveal their methods; is refusing to reveal who's funding most of this effort; and worst of all, there is not 100% bipartisan representation reviewing ballots or observing counters. Meaning the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, who publicly promoted the Big Lie but was unable to prove it -- is now in a position to falsify the results of this audit to correct his public statements in the past.

they did. The Court didn’t take issue with the firm either. If the dems really had an issue they would have followed the Order and stopped the audit...they didn’t. It’s obvious the only issue the dems had was getting the audit done

Don't just say it -- post this order you keep talking about. Prove it really exists. And I don't mean post an article about it -- post the order....

haha have you not read this thread?

So you're refusing to post any court documents to corroborate the claims you're making about court rulings. Is that right?

is the audit going on? if so that means the dems didn’t put up the money...no injuction, and the audit is ordered to go on.
sort of speaks for itself

 

[struth]

i made no assumptions just spoke facts

why are you talking about the legality of it? nobody even challenged that so why would the court address it?

the people of Arizona disagree with you view on its wastefulness and care about having a fair and accurate election.

Ok, you've convinced me ... you're pathological.

You claim no one challenged the legality of the audit; but that too is a lie. Yes, there were some legal challenges, starting with...

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ah i missed that...and the Court ordered the audit to go on...so they lost.

Great, then post the court order showing the Democrats' lawsuit was dismissed....

You keep spouting lies as evidenced by your utter inability to provide any of the court documents of which you speak.

when did i de it was dismissed?

show me where is said it was dismissed...stop lying

 

[Dragonlady]

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

This has jack squat to do with doing elections "correctly". It's a crass stunt by Republicans to sow doubt and confusion regarding the election process. They lost, so now they want to flip the table. Fuck them.

that’s mere propaganda from the left..and fearmongering...stop already. The people of Arizona care...their reps have spoken and the Court didn’t go along with your attempt to stop it

You’re right the people of Arizona have spoken. They elected Joe Biden.

A mere handful of Republican senators on one committee, have decided against to conduct a third audit of the votes. This was over the objections of their own secretary of state.

This is not being done for the benefit of the people of Arizona or on their behalf. This is being done to push through voter suppression legislation to make it more difficult for urban voters to cast their ballots in any Republican held states.

Joe Biden has nothing to do with the State legislature...duhhhhhb

Actually Joe Biden has a lot to do with the 2020 election. He won it by a landslide, and the efforts of 5 members of the Trump Cult in Arizona isn't going to change this.

You keep pretending that the entire State House, and Senate and people of Arizona back this sham of an audit. They really fucking don't.

GOP Arizona State Senator Rejects Controversial Voting Bill Pending Election Audit

A Republican Arizona state senator broke ranks and voted against a GOP-backed measure that could remove tens of thousands of voters from the state's early ballot mailing list.

www.npr.org

Half a Year After Trump’s Defeat, Arizona Republicans Are Recounting the Vote (Published 2021)

An audit of the vote in Arizona’s most populous county was meant to mollify angry Trump voters. But it is being criticized as a partisan exercise more than a fact-finding one.

www.nytimes.com

Fight to vote: Arizona county’s ‘ludicrous’ election audit

Part of the audit by state Republicans will consist of a hand recount of all the votes cast for president there – which will probably breathe life into Trump’s lies

www.theguardian.com

 

[Penelope]

Now OANN is involved in Arizona's Senate election audit? Can this thing get any more absurd?
Opinion: The Arizona Senate's auditors have selected their broadcast partner for the election audit, a right-wing cable TV network renowned for spreading conspiracy theories. Why am I not surprised?
Laurie Roberts
Arizona Republic

-------
OANN will livestream Arizona's election audit? That's just absurd (azcentral.com)

The channel is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.[41] On November 24, 2020, YouTube suspended and demonetized OANN's channel for one week as a first strike under its three-strike community guideline violation policy for advertising a false cure for COVID-19.[39]
One America News Network - Wikipedia

Fake news. OAN has the same access and camara video stream as everybody else. Other media sources are just afraid to report on this story.

BULLSHIT. Other media sources are being BARRED from entry. Only OAN is in their. One journalist snuck in as a poll watcher, and she was barred from entry the second day, after they found out who she was.



A fake cyber security company is doing an "audit" of the votes, without the following the state guidelines for an audit, using untrained workers, using blue and black pens which spoil the ballots. All of this is being records by an fake new network, which is financing this fiasco, based on the Donald Trump's lie that the election was "stolen".

What could possibly go wrong???

The Press is barred entry? Geez...you'd think it was a tax payer funded ICE detention center....

Are you ok with a private firm being given access to ballots which they can alter with no oversight?

as opposed to a "public" firm? someone has to do the audit. I would imagine if they want to present their evidence in Court...since this part of a Court proceeding, they would have to swear under oath...just like anyone else presenting evidence, including "public" firms...So, I am fine with it

Oh? What court ordered this audit?

Maricopa County Superior Court.

The Senate order the audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said, fine, you can have an injuction....but you have to pay the folks that were about to do the audit for the time and prep, or it will go forward. The Dems didn't pay. The Court Order the audit to go forward.

Not quite. The Republican Senate didn't just order the audit, they subpoenaed the ballots. That's not a court proceeding. Not even with a court denying Democrats' attempts in court to prevent the audit.

Well the Senate doesn't belong to one party or the other...it's just the Senate. The Senate order a forensic audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said they could have an injuction if they payed the cost already expended by the companies retained, they didn't...and order the audit to continue

Their Senate is under Republican control. Who the fuck knows why you tried to ignore that? Still, it's not a court ordered audit. It was ordered by Arizona Republican Senators who first issued the subpoenas. All the court did was to affirm the Senate had the legal authority to issue the subpoenas. That in no way makes this a court ordered audit as the court never ordered it. At most, they allowed it and even then, only because Arizona law allows their state Senate to authorize it.

Still, it's a sham audit. Despite some 80% of all ballots in all of Arizona being mail-in ballots, this audit is examining only ballots from the state's most left-leaning county. Rather than hire a reputable and qualified firm to perform the audit, they hired a company with zero auditing experience, led by a conspiracy nut who himself promoted the Big Lie. Now they're in possession of the ballots where their reportedly marking them up illegally with wrong colored pens and there's no oversight. They could be destroying ballots by marking votes for all anyone knows. Who knows why you're ok with that?

The Senate is the Senate...but whatever..

The Senate order the audit, the elected representatives of the people. The Dems filed a lawsuit, the Judge granted the injunction, if they paid the cost to the companies for the cost of what they have spent, if not the audit was to go forward...they didn't, those the Court's Order for the audit to continue went forward.

This isn't rocket science.

No, it's not, which leaves me wondering why you lied and referred to the audit as "court ordered" when it was really ordered by Arizona's Republican-led state Senate?

Because it was...the Court Ordered that the Audit continue, unless the Dems paid the contractors. They didn't...thus the Order was enforced.

This really isn't hard to grasp.

The court did NOT order the audit be continued. He simply didn't order that it be stopped. Legally this is a HUGE distinction. There is no court order to continue the audit and to say otherwise, is just another flat out lie, which is all that has been going on since the process started.

wrong, the court in fact ORDERed the injunction if the dems paid the contractors for the money they would have lost for preparing, if the dems djdnt the Order thus said the audit could continue.

A Court speaks through its ORDERS

You just can't stop lying. There was no court order to audit ballots. There's no law w at says a private company has to audit ballots so there's no court that can order Cyber Ninja's to do so.

I never said there was a law that requred cyber ninja to do the audit...why do you think there has to be a law for a Court to have an Order for someone to do something?

What I said was totally factual correct...the Senate speaking for the people that elected them order the audit, the Dems objected and filed a lawsuit..the Court speaking through it's Orders, Ordered the injuction the Dems requested, on condition they paid the company for money they would have lost preparing for the audit, and if they didn't Ordered the audit to continue

Utterly false. The Order does NOT require the audit to continue. It only states that the audit is to be stopped if the Democrats cover the costs.

The Court in no way opines as to whether or not the audit is legal or whether it is being done in accordance with state law. The Order only covers the circumstances under which the Democrats can force the audit to stop.

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. THE COURT REFUSED TO OPINE ON THE LEGALITY, NECESSITY OR EVEN WHETHER THE AUDIT IS LEGAL. NONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE CLAIMING THE JUDGE ISSUED THE ORDER ABOUT.

and if they don’t it’s ordered to continue...hence why it’s going on!

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

why would the audit be illegal and why would the court opine on things even the dems didn’t raise in their request?

Then they should have hired a reputable firm with experience in auditing elections. Instead, they hired a firm with zero such experience and is headed by a conspiracy nut who's going into this process with the preconceived notion that he will find fraud, which wouldn't be so bad if this was being done transparently. But it's not. Cyber Ninjas refuses to let the media inside other than RWNJ OANN, who also promotes the Big Lie; asked the court not to publicly reveal their methods; is refusing to reveal who's funding most of this effort; and worst of all, there is not 100% bipartisan representation reviewing ballots or observing counters. Meaning the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, who publicly promoted the Big Lie but was unable to prove it -- is now in a position to falsify the results of this audit to correct his public statements in the past.

they did. The Court didn’t take issue with the firm either. If the dems really had an issue they would have followed the Order and stopped the audit...they didn’t. It’s obvious the only issue the dems had was getting the audit done

Superior Court judge recuses himself in case challenging Senate elections audit (abc15.com)

 

[struth]

Now OANN is involved in Arizona's Senate election audit? Can this thing get any more absurd?
Opinion: The Arizona Senate's auditors have selected their broadcast partner for the election audit, a right-wing cable TV network renowned for spreading conspiracy theories. Why am I not surprised?
Laurie Roberts
Arizona Republic

-------
OANN will livestream Arizona's election audit? That's just absurd (azcentral.com)

The channel is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.[41] On November 24, 2020, YouTube suspended and demonetized OANN's channel for one week as a first strike under its three-strike community guideline violation policy for advertising a false cure for COVID-19.[39]
One America News Network - Wikipedia

Fake news. OAN has the same access and camara video stream as everybody else. Other media sources are just afraid to report on this story.

BULLSHIT. Other media sources are being BARRED from entry. Only OAN is in their. One journalist snuck in as a poll watcher, and she was barred from entry the second day, after they found out who she was.



A fake cyber security company is doing an "audit" of the votes, without the following the state guidelines for an audit, using untrained workers, using blue and black pens which spoil the ballots. All of this is being records by an fake new network, which is financing this fiasco, based on the Donald Trump's lie that the election was "stolen".

What could possibly go wrong???

The Press is barred entry? Geez...you'd think it was a tax payer funded ICE detention center....

Are you ok with a private firm being given access to ballots which they can alter with no oversight?

as opposed to a "public" firm? someone has to do the audit. I would imagine if they want to present their evidence in Court...since this part of a Court proceeding, they would have to swear under oath...just like anyone else presenting evidence, including "public" firms...So, I am fine with it

Oh? What court ordered this audit?

Maricopa County Superior Court.

The Senate order the audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said, fine, you can have an injuction....but you have to pay the folks that were about to do the audit for the time and prep, or it will go forward. The Dems didn't pay. The Court Order the audit to go forward.

Not quite. The Republican Senate didn't just order the audit, they subpoenaed the ballots. That's not a court proceeding. Not even with a court denying Democrats' attempts in court to prevent the audit.

Well the Senate doesn't belong to one party or the other...it's just the Senate. The Senate order a forensic audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said they could have an injuction if they payed the cost already expended by the companies retained, they didn't...and order the audit to continue

Their Senate is under Republican control. Who the fuck knows why you tried to ignore that? Still, it's not a court ordered audit. It was ordered by Arizona Republican Senators who first issued the subpoenas. All the court did was to affirm the Senate had the legal authority to issue the subpoenas. That in no way makes this a court ordered audit as the court never ordered it. At most, they allowed it and even then, only because Arizona law allows their state Senate to authorize it.

Still, it's a sham audit. Despite some 80% of all ballots in all of Arizona being mail-in ballots, this audit is examining only ballots from the state's most left-leaning county. Rather than hire a reputable and qualified firm to perform the audit, they hired a company with zero auditing experience, led by a conspiracy nut who himself promoted the Big Lie. Now they're in possession of the ballots where their reportedly marking them up illegally with wrong colored pens and there's no oversight. They could be destroying ballots by marking votes for all anyone knows. Who knows why you're ok with that?

The Senate is the Senate...but whatever..

The Senate order the audit, the elected representatives of the people. The Dems filed a lawsuit, the Judge granted the injunction, if they paid the cost to the companies for the cost of what they have spent, if not the audit was to go forward...they didn't, those the Court's Order for the audit to continue went forward.

This isn't rocket science.

No, it's not, which leaves me wondering why you lied and referred to the audit as "court ordered" when it was really ordered by Arizona's Republican-led state Senate?

Because it was...the Court Ordered that the Audit continue, unless the Dems paid the contractors. They didn't...thus the Order was enforced.

This really isn't hard to grasp.

The court did NOT order the audit be continued. He simply didn't order that it be stopped. Legally this is a HUGE distinction. There is no court order to continue the audit and to say otherwise, is just another flat out lie, which is all that has been going on since the process started.

wrong, the court in fact ORDERed the injunction if the dems paid the contractors for the money they would have lost for preparing, if the dems djdnt the Order thus said the audit could continue.

A Court speaks through its ORDERS

You just can't stop lying. There was no court order to audit ballots. There's no law w at says a private company has to audit ballots so there's no court that can order Cyber Ninja's to do so.

I never said there was a law that requred cyber ninja to do the audit...why do you think there has to be a law for a Court to have an Order for someone to do something?

What I said was totally factual correct...the Senate speaking for the people that elected them order the audit, the Dems objected and filed a lawsuit..the Court speaking through it's Orders, Ordered the injuction the Dems requested, on condition they paid the company for money they would have lost preparing for the audit, and if they didn't Ordered the audit to continue

Utterly false. The Order does NOT require the audit to continue. It only states that the audit is to be stopped if the Democrats cover the costs.

The Court in no way opines as to whether or not the audit is legal or whether it is being done in accordance with state law. The Order only covers the circumstances under which the Democrats can force the audit to stop.

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. THE COURT REFUSED TO OPINE ON THE LEGALITY, NECESSITY OR EVEN WHETHER THE AUDIT IS LEGAL. NONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE CLAIMING THE JUDGE ISSUED THE ORDER ABOUT.

and if they don’t it’s ordered to continue...hence why it’s going on!

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

why would the audit be illegal and why would the court opine on things even the dems didn’t raise in their request?

Your assumption is utterly and completely false. Not ordering it stop is not the same thing as ordering it to continue. If Democrats don't pay to stop the count, it's up to the Senate which ordered it what happens to the count.

The court very specifically did not make any other ruling on this legality of this audit other than the circumstances under which the Democrats could end it.

This audit is a massive waste of taxpayer dollars and regardless of what the "auditors" claim is the result, the audit will have no effect whatsoever, other than to make money for the auditors, and continue to spread lies and disinformation.

i made no assumptions just spoke facts

why are you talking about the legality of it? nobody even challenged that so why would the court address it?

the people of Arizona disagree with you view on its wastefulness and care about having a fair and accurate election.

The Democrats most certainly did challenge the legality of the audit, based on the lack of transparency of the Cyber Ninjas in describing their methods of conducting the audit, and whether or not they were following state law in that regard.

No press allowed other than OAN. No training for those conducting the audit. Refusal by the Cyber Ninjas to confirm their methods. Blue and black pens spoiling ballots.

This audit has no legality and no credibility whatsoever.

no they asked for an injunction. The Court Ordered them to pay up if they wanted it or the audit would go forward.

The dems delay tactic was called out and of course they backed down and now we have the audit that the people of arizona wanted and are getting

LOL

You actually said the court ordered the injunction if the plaintiffs would pay up. That is wrong as there was no injunction ordered. There was an offer by the court to order a temporary injunction if they paid the bond. The plaintiffs opted not to pay it because it was a large sum of money which they would have lost had the lost the lawsuit.

how can you day something then go on to disprove your point and prove mine? rather amazing.

The dems didn’t pay, the audit was ordered to proceed. Smart judge calling out the dems to put their money where their mouth was and see through their simple delay tactics

 

[struth]

Now OANN is involved in Arizona's Senate election audit? Can this thing get any more absurd?
Opinion: The Arizona Senate's auditors have selected their broadcast partner for the election audit, a right-wing cable TV network renowned for spreading conspiracy theories. Why am I not surprised?
Laurie Roberts
Arizona Republic

-------
OANN will livestream Arizona's election audit? That's just absurd (azcentral.com)

The channel is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.[41] On November 24, 2020, YouTube suspended and demonetized OANN's channel for one week as a first strike under its three-strike community guideline violation policy for advertising a false cure for COVID-19.[39]
One America News Network - Wikipedia

Fake news. OAN has the same access and camara video stream as everybody else. Other media sources are just afraid to report on this story.

BULLSHIT. Other media sources are being BARRED from entry. Only OAN is in their. One journalist snuck in as a poll watcher, and she was barred from entry the second day, after they found out who she was.



A fake cyber security company is doing an "audit" of the votes, without the following the state guidelines for an audit, using untrained workers, using blue and black pens which spoil the ballots. All of this is being records by an fake new network, which is financing this fiasco, based on the Donald Trump's lie that the election was "stolen".

What could possibly go wrong???

The Press is barred entry? Geez...you'd think it was a tax payer funded ICE detention center....

Are you ok with a private firm being given access to ballots which they can alter with no oversight?

as opposed to a "public" firm? someone has to do the audit. I would imagine if they want to present their evidence in Court...since this part of a Court proceeding, they would have to swear under oath...just like anyone else presenting evidence, including "public" firms...So, I am fine with it

Oh? What court ordered this audit?

Maricopa County Superior Court.

The Senate order the audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said, fine, you can have an injuction....but you have to pay the folks that were about to do the audit for the time and prep, or it will go forward. The Dems didn't pay. The Court Order the audit to go forward.

Not quite. The Republican Senate didn't just order the audit, they subpoenaed the ballots. That's not a court proceeding. Not even with a court denying Democrats' attempts in court to prevent the audit.

Well the Senate doesn't belong to one party or the other...it's just the Senate. The Senate order a forensic audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said they could have an injuction if they payed the cost already expended by the companies retained, they didn't...and order the audit to continue

Their Senate is under Republican control. Who the fuck knows why you tried to ignore that? Still, it's not a court ordered audit. It was ordered by Arizona Republican Senators who first issued the subpoenas. All the court did was to affirm the Senate had the legal authority to issue the subpoenas. That in no way makes this a court ordered audit as the court never ordered it. At most, they allowed it and even then, only because Arizona law allows their state Senate to authorize it.

Still, it's a sham audit. Despite some 80% of all ballots in all of Arizona being mail-in ballots, this audit is examining only ballots from the state's most left-leaning county. Rather than hire a reputable and qualified firm to perform the audit, they hired a company with zero auditing experience, led by a conspiracy nut who himself promoted the Big Lie. Now they're in possession of the ballots where their reportedly marking them up illegally with wrong colored pens and there's no oversight. They could be destroying ballots by marking votes for all anyone knows. Who knows why you're ok with that?

The Senate is the Senate...but whatever..

The Senate order the audit, the elected representatives of the people. The Dems filed a lawsuit, the Judge granted the injunction, if they paid the cost to the companies for the cost of what they have spent, if not the audit was to go forward...they didn't, those the Court's Order for the audit to continue went forward.

This isn't rocket science.

No, it's not, which leaves me wondering why you lied and referred to the audit as "court ordered" when it was really ordered by Arizona's Republican-led state Senate?

Because it was...the Court Ordered that the Audit continue, unless the Dems paid the contractors. They didn't...thus the Order was enforced.

This really isn't hard to grasp.

The court did NOT order the audit be continued. He simply didn't order that it be stopped. Legally this is a HUGE distinction. There is no court order to continue the audit and to say otherwise, is just another flat out lie, which is all that has been going on since the process started.

wrong, the court in fact ORDERed the injunction if the dems paid the contractors for the money they would have lost for preparing, if the dems djdnt the Order thus said the audit could continue.

A Court speaks through its ORDERS

You just can't stop lying. There was no court order to audit ballots. There's no law w at says a private company has to audit ballots so there's no court that can order Cyber Ninja's to do so.

I never said there was a law that requred cyber ninja to do the audit...why do you think there has to be a law for a Court to have an Order for someone to do something?

What I said was totally factual correct...the Senate speaking for the people that elected them order the audit, the Dems objected and filed a lawsuit..the Court speaking through it's Orders, Ordered the injuction the Dems requested, on condition they paid the company for money they would have lost preparing for the audit, and if they didn't Ordered the audit to continue

Utterly false. The Order does NOT require the audit to continue. It only states that the audit is to be stopped if the Democrats cover the costs.

The Court in no way opines as to whether or not the audit is legal or whether it is being done in accordance with state law. The Order only covers the circumstances under which the Democrats can force the audit to stop.

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. THE COURT REFUSED TO OPINE ON THE LEGALITY, NECESSITY OR EVEN WHETHER THE AUDIT IS LEGAL. NONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE CLAIMING THE JUDGE ISSUED THE ORDER ABOUT.

and if they don’t it’s ordered to continue...hence why it’s going on!

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

why would the audit be illegal and why would the court opine on things even the dems didn’t raise in their request?

Then they should have hired a reputable firm with experience in auditing elections. Instead, they hired a firm with zero such experience and is headed by a conspiracy nut who's going into this process with the preconceived notion that he will find fraud, which wouldn't be so bad if this was being done transparently. But it's not. Cyber Ninjas refuses to let the media inside other than RWNJ OANN, who also promotes the Big Lie; asked the court not to publicly reveal their methods; is refusing to reveal who's funding most of this effort; and worst of all, there is not 100% bipartisan representation reviewing ballots or observing counters. Meaning the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, who publicly promoted the Big Lie but was unable to prove it -- is now in a position to falsify the results of this audit to correct his public statements in the past.

they did. The Court didn’t take issue with the firm either. If the dems really had an issue they would have followed the Order and stopped the audit...they didn’t. It’s obvious the only issue the dems had was getting the audit done

Superior Court judge recuses himself in case challenging Senate elections audit (abc15.com)

ok...and that has to do with anything or support your cause how?

 

[Faun]

Now OANN is involved in Arizona's Senate election audit? Can this thing get any more absurd?
Opinion: The Arizona Senate's auditors have selected their broadcast partner for the election audit, a right-wing cable TV network renowned for spreading conspiracy theories. Why am I not surprised?
Laurie Roberts
Arizona Republic

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OANN will livestream Arizona's election audit? That's just absurd (azcentral.com)

The channel is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.[41] On November 24, 2020, YouTube suspended and demonetized OANN's channel for one week as a first strike under its three-strike community guideline violation policy for advertising a false cure for COVID-19.[39]
One America News Network - Wikipedia

Fake news. OAN has the same access and camara video stream as everybody else. Other media sources are just afraid to report on this story.

BULLSHIT. Other media sources are being BARRED from entry. Only OAN is in their. One journalist snuck in as a poll watcher, and she was barred from entry the second day, after they found out who she was.



A fake cyber security company is doing an "audit" of the votes, without the following the state guidelines for an audit, using untrained workers, using blue and black pens which spoil the ballots. All of this is being records by an fake new network, which is financing this fiasco, based on the Donald Trump's lie that the election was "stolen".

What could possibly go wrong???

The Press is barred entry? Geez...you'd think it was a tax payer funded ICE detention center....

Are you ok with a private firm being given access to ballots which they can alter with no oversight?

as opposed to a "public" firm? someone has to do the audit. I would imagine if they want to present their evidence in Court...since this part of a Court proceeding, they would have to swear under oath...just like anyone else presenting evidence, including "public" firms...So, I am fine with it

Oh? What court ordered this audit?

Maricopa County Superior Court.

The Senate order the audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said, fine, you can have an injuction....but you have to pay the folks that were about to do the audit for the time and prep, or it will go forward. The Dems didn't pay. The Court Order the audit to go forward.

Not quite. The Republican Senate didn't just order the audit, they subpoenaed the ballots. That's not a court proceeding. Not even with a court denying Democrats' attempts in court to prevent the audit.

Well the Senate doesn't belong to one party or the other...it's just the Senate. The Senate order a forensic audit...the Dems filed a lawsuit, the Court said they could have an injuction if they payed the cost already expended by the companies retained, they didn't...and order the audit to continue

Their Senate is under Republican control. Who the fuck knows why you tried to ignore that? Still, it's not a court ordered audit. It was ordered by Arizona Republican Senators who first issued the subpoenas. All the court did was to affirm the Senate had the legal authority to issue the subpoenas. That in no way makes this a court ordered audit as the court never ordered it. At most, they allowed it and even then, only because Arizona law allows their state Senate to authorize it.

Still, it's a sham audit. Despite some 80% of all ballots in all of Arizona being mail-in ballots, this audit is examining only ballots from the state's most left-leaning county. Rather than hire a reputable and qualified firm to perform the audit, they hired a company with zero auditing experience, led by a conspiracy nut who himself promoted the Big Lie. Now they're in possession of the ballots where their reportedly marking them up illegally with wrong colored pens and there's no oversight. They could be destroying ballots by marking votes for all anyone knows. Who knows why you're ok with that?

The Senate is the Senate...but whatever..

The Senate order the audit, the elected representatives of the people. The Dems filed a lawsuit, the Judge granted the injunction, if they paid the cost to the companies for the cost of what they have spent, if not the audit was to go forward...they didn't, those the Court's Order for the audit to continue went forward.

This isn't rocket science.

No, it's not, which leaves me wondering why you lied and referred to the audit as "court ordered" when it was really ordered by Arizona's Republican-led state Senate?

Because it was...the Court Ordered that the Audit continue, unless the Dems paid the contractors. They didn't...thus the Order was enforced.

This really isn't hard to grasp.

The court did NOT order the audit be continued. He simply didn't order that it be stopped. Legally this is a HUGE distinction. There is no court order to continue the audit and to say otherwise, is just another flat out lie, which is all that has been going on since the process started.

wrong, the court in fact ORDERed the injunction if the dems paid the contractors for the money they would have lost for preparing, if the dems djdnt the Order thus said the audit could continue.

A Court speaks through its ORDERS

You just can't stop lying. There was no court order to audit ballots. There's no law w at says a private company has to audit ballots so there's no court that can order Cyber Ninja's to do so.

I never said there was a law that requred cyber ninja to do the audit...why do you think there has to be a law for a Court to have an Order for someone to do something?

What I said was totally factual correct...the Senate speaking for the people that elected them order the audit, the Dems objected and filed a lawsuit..the Court speaking through it's Orders, Ordered the injuction the Dems requested, on condition they paid the company for money they would have lost preparing for the audit, and if they didn't Ordered the audit to continue

Utterly false. The Order does NOT require the audit to continue. It only states that the audit is to be stopped if the Democrats cover the costs.

The Court in no way opines as to whether or not the audit is legal or whether it is being done in accordance with state law. The Order only covers the circumstances under which the Democrats can force the audit to stop.

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. THE COURT REFUSED TO OPINE ON THE LEGALITY, NECESSITY OR EVEN WHETHER THE AUDIT IS LEGAL. NONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE CLAIMING THE JUDGE ISSUED THE ORDER ABOUT.

and if they don’t it’s ordered to continue...hence why it’s going on!

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

why would the audit be illegal and why would the court opine on things even the dems didn’t raise in their request?

Then they should have hired a reputable firm with experience in auditing elections. Instead, they hired a firm with zero such experience and is headed by a conspiracy nut who's going into this process with the preconceived notion that he will find fraud, which wouldn't be so bad if this was being done transparently. But it's not. Cyber Ninjas refuses to let the media inside other than RWNJ OANN, who also promotes the Big Lie; asked the court not to publicly reveal their methods; is refusing to reveal who's funding most of this effort; and worst of all, there is not 100% bipartisan representation reviewing ballots or observing counters. Meaning the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, who publicly promoted the Big Lie but was unable to prove it -- is now in a position to falsify the results of this audit to correct his public statements in the past.

they did. The Court didn’t take issue with the firm either. If the dems really had an issue they would have followed the Order and stopped the audit...they didn’t. It’s obvious the only issue the dems had was getting the audit done

Don't just say it -- post this order you keep talking about. Prove it really exists. And I don't mean post an article about it -- post the order....

haha have you not read this thread?

So you're refusing to post any court documents to corroborate the claims you're making about court rulings. Is that right?

is the audit going on? if so that means the dems didn’t put up the money...no injuction, and the audit is ordered to go on.
sort of speaks for itself

Well, no, it doesn't since you're lying about the court ordering the audit to continue. Which is why you're resisting posting the court order you claim exists. It doesn't. That's the real reason you won't post it -- because you can't post something which exists nowhere outside of your head.

 

[JustAGuy1]

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

This has jack squat to do with doing elections "correctly". It's a crass stunt by Republicans to sow doubt and confusion regarding the election process. They lost, so now they want to flip the table. Fuck them.

LOL, but it was fine in 2016. Progs are nothing if not hypocrites.

Hillary won the popular vote by a large margin so there was a good and valid reason for objecting to certifying Donald Trump.

Donald Trump lost the popular vote hugely in 2020. The election is certified to be one of the fairest and most honest elections in US history, if not the most honest election. It was certified by the department of justice. It was certified by the department of homeland security. It was certified by the secretaries of State in all 50 states in the union.

Donald Trump brought in an election oversight group from Europe to determine the honesty and veracity of the election and they certified it to be fair and honest.

Donald Trump has been claiming that he won this election since before it happened. He said if he lost it was because the election was rigged. He continues this lie to this day. He even sent a mobbto stop the certification in Congress.

There is absolutely no comparison between anything that happened in 2016 and what happened in 2020. So just stop fucking lying!

Too funny, it's ok when Progs create havoc but you cry like stuck pigs when the other side does it. There sure is a correlation, you just don't like it and refuse to admit it.
You still think Pubs stole 50000 votes and kepr Stacey Abrams out of the Governor's Mansion so you have no credibility at all.

 

[Penelope]

Judge has doubts on voter privacy in new Arizona recount
At issue is whether the firm named Cyber Ninjas is complying with state requirements.

Judge has doubts on voter privacy in new Arizona recount - POLITICO

 

[struth]

again why are you so upset about the people of Arizona attempting to make sure their elections are done correctly?

This has jack squat to do with doing elections "correctly". It's a crass stunt by Republicans to sow doubt and confusion regarding the election process. They lost, so now they want to flip the table. Fuck them.

LOL, but it was fine in 2016. Progs are nothing if not hypocrites.

Hillary won the popular vote by a large margin so there was a good and valid reason for objecting to certifying Donald Trump.

Donald Trump lost the popular vote hugely in 2020. The election is certified to be one of the fairest and most honest elections in US history, if not the most honest election. It was certified by the department of justice. It was certified by the department of homeland security. It was certified by the secretaries of State in all 50 states in the union.

Donald Trump brought in an election oversight group from Europe to determine the honesty and veracity of the election and they certified it to be fair and honest.

Donald Trump has been claiming that he won this election since before it happened. He said if he lost it was because the election was rigged. He continues this lie to this day. He even sent a mobbto stop the certification in Congress.

There is absolutely no comparison between anything that happened in 2016 and what happened in 2020. So just stop fucking lying!

Too funny, it's ok when Progs create havoc but you cry like stuck pigs when the other side does it. There sure is a correlation, you just don't like it and refuse to admit it.
You still think Pubs stole 50000 votes and kepr Stacey Abrams out of the Governor's Mansion so you have no credibility at all.

heck they still push the lie that the SCOTUs stole the election in 2000 and the false hoax about a russian conspiracy.