This is how you deal with evil

[P@triot]

The only reason why the World Trade Center happened was because back in the 1980's, your Boy Ronnie Reagan decided it would be a wonderful idea to arm Bin Laden and the rest of the crazies over there to fight the Russians.

The next time I see poodle here post something accurate and factual it will be the first time I have ever seen poodle here post something accurate and factual.

Snowflake - the Russians were not the one's who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. Bin Laden and the Mujahideen LOVED us for arming them and assisting them with defeating the Soviet Union. They bombed the WTC because our boots hit the ground in Saudi Arabia as part of the Gulf War efforts to stop Saddam Hussein in Kuwait.

Now - that happens whether we arm the Mujahideen in Afghanistan or not (it was 100% unrelated). And...Saudi Arabia invited us into their nation to launch operations against Hussein to rescue Kuwait.

So to recap (since we all know you're not the brightest bulb in the chandelier): we helped Bin Laden and we were invited into his country by their leaders. So why did Bin Laden turn on us? Because he was like you: a bat-shit crazy ideologue. We didn't do anything to create Bin Laden. Like Adolf Hitler, he was simply a misguided, unhinged lunatic. Hell, even Bin Laden's own family rejected him. The only thing we are guilty of is training what would become Al Qaeda so that they were considerably better at their guerrilla warfare than they would have been.

It's funny watching you flailing around wildly and desperately, trying to blame Ronald Reagan for anything and everything. His astounding success and culmination as one of the most beloved presidents ever really bothers you.

 

[Anathema]

Actually, I do think that by giving Hostage Takers what they want, we just encourage more hostage taking, which is what made what Ronald REagan did in Lebanon in the 1980's so bad.

Exactly. You don't cut deals with criminals or terrorists. You get rid of them. Permanently.

That said, the primary problem is we keep sticking our dicks in the Middle East Hornet's Nest and then complain about getting stung.

We keep sticking our noses is everyone else's business. I agree that needs to change. To get ourselves out of the rest of the world's dealings. Full Isolationism.

Here's what my policy would be.

1) No more aid to ANY country over there, including Israel.
2) No involvement in any internal or external conflict, unlike the four civil wars going on there right now we are involved in.
3) We take the money we spend building weapons and drones and ships we don't really need and invest them into clean energy in this country. Imagine the money we could save if we took the 10 Billion we spend on one Ford Class aircraft carrier and spent it on windmills or solar power or even a nuke plant.

1. No aid for ANY foreign government or NGO. Full Isolationism..

2. No involvement in any foreign conflict. However we militarized our borders and maintain a military capable of fighting anywhere, anytime time. Make it well known that ANY interference in US policy will bring immediate and brutal military response.

3. We remove ALL unconstitutional spending from the budget immediately and permanently. That includes all funding for EVERY expense which cannot be directly associated with one of the 18 specific mandates in Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution.

 

[JoeB131]

It's funny watching you flailing around wildly and desperately, trying to blame Ronald Reagan for anything and everything. His astounding success and culmination as one of the most beloved presidents ever really bothers you.

Guy, you don't arm religious fanatics and then be surprised when they act like religious fanatics.

Reagan armed a religious nut. 20 years later , it bit us in the ass.

Snowflake - the Russians were not the one's who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. Bin Laden and the Mujahideen LOVED us for arming them and assisting them with defeating the Soviet Union. They bombed the WTC because our boots hit the ground in Saudi Arabia as part of the Gulf War efforts to stop Saddam Hussein in Kuwait.

Now - that happens whether we arm the Mujahideen in Afghanistan or not (it was 100% unrelated). And...Saudi Arabia invited us into their nation to launch operations against Hussein to rescue Kuwait.

You miss the point, Poodle. The thing was, we got in the middle of a fight that had nothing to with us. The Saudis we saved from Saddam (another guy Ronnie Reagan thought was just swell) were the same ones bankrolling Bin Laden between the time he left Afghanistan and until he brought down the Twin Towers. Again, we just don't stick our dicks in the hornets nest, we give the hornets steroids.

And not surprisingly, these guys we saved from bad old Saddam were the ones who were upset we were on their land letting women drive and shit.

 

[P@triot]

2) No involvement in any internal or external conflict

That was our foreign policy under FDR and it resulted in Adolf Hitler's Nazis dominating the world and Japan bombing the begeezus out of us at Pearl Harbor.

Anyone who believes that "minding your own business" ingratiates them to vicious maniacs is a genuine moron. Our foreign policy needs to be "an ounce of prevention is worth 400 million pounds of cure". You stop an Adolf Hitler during his rise to power - not after he has marched through all of Europe.

 

[Anathema]

That was our foreign policy under FDR and it resulted in Adolf Hitler's Nazis dominating the world and Japan bombing the begeezus out of us at Pearl Harbor.

Anyone who believes that "minding your own business" ingratiates them to vicious maniacs is a genuine moron. Our foreign policy needs to be "an ounce of prevention is worth 400 million pounds of cure". You stop an Adolf Hitler during his rise to power - not after he has marched through all of Europe.

Major difference..... after December 1941, it took us 6 months to respond to Japan. Now it would be take less than 6 hours to nuke the entire Japanese culture out of existence.

FOR made the mistake of not keeping a massive, ready in an instant, military to respond to anyone stupid enough to puff their chest out in our direction.

 

[JoeB131]

That was our foreign policy under FDR and it resulted in Adolf Hitler's Nazis dominating the world and Japan bombing the begeezus out of us at Pearl Harbor.

Not really. while I do think isolationism is a bad idea, FDR was hardly isolationist, as he was actively aiding both China and Great Britain prior to America's entry into the war.

Anyone who believes that "minding your own business" ingratiates them to vicious maniacs is a genuine moron. Our foreign policy needs to be "an ounce of prevention is worth 400 million pounds of cure". You stop an Adolf Hitler during his rise to power - not after he has marched through all of Europe.

And how do you do that, exactly, Poodle?

First you'd have to be able to tell who Hitler is. We obviously can't even do that in our own country, given who just got elected.

secondly, you start interfering in other countries internal affairs, pretty soon you own their problems. We tried that shit during the Cold War of knocking off every petty dictator we didn't like, and we ended up creating a lot of guys who were worse.

Again- Bin Laden was a guy we thought we could work with. Saddam was a guy we thought we could work with. Care to review how those turned out again.

And for that matter, Hitler was a guy the West thought they could work with instead of that commie Stalin.

 

[P@triot]

Snowflake - the Russians were not the one's who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. Bin Laden and the Mujahideen LOVED us for arming them and assisting them with defeating the Soviet Union. They bombed the WTC because our boots hit the ground in Saudi Arabia as part of the Gulf War efforts to stop Saddam Hussein in Kuwait.

Now - that happens whether we arm the Mujahideen in Afghanistan or not (it was 100% unrelated). And...Saudi Arabia invited us into their nation to launch operations against Hussein to rescue Kuwait.

You miss the point, Poodle. The thing was, we got in the middle of a fight that had nothing to with us.

Got to love it - when poodle here gets caught lying he reverts to "you're missing the point". Dude - the Soviet Union did not bomb the WTC. Al Qaeda did it - and they didn't even exist during the Soviet - Afghan war. In addition, we were supporting the Mujahideen (the precursor to Al Qaeda). So they didn't bomb us because of ANYTHING to do with that war.

Bin Laden turned on us because our boots touched Saudi soil. And our boots touched Saudi soil because the Saudi government invited us into the nation for operations against Saddam Hussein after he invaded Kuwait. That happens regardless of the Soviet - Afghan war.

Do you want to keep backpedaling now that you've been caught in a lie, poodle?

 

[P@triot]

Guy, you don't arm religious fanatics and then be surprised when they act like religious fanatics.

You do when - at that time - the U.S.S.R. poses an exponentially greater threat than the religious fanatics do. The Soviet Union was a nuclear superpower. Al Qaeda was sitting in Afghanistan eating sand without so much as electricity. It only made sense to employ the "Vietnam" strategy that was employed against us. And it worked too. It was part of Regan's comprehensive Soviet strategy which ultimately ended with their collapse.

No matter how hard you attempt to rewrite history snowflake, you'll never be able to pull it off. It was too well documented with video by the 1980's.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The only reason why the World Trade Center happened was because back in the 1980's, your Boy Ronnie Reagan decided it would be a wonderful idea to arm Bin Laden and the rest of the crazies over there to fight the Russians.

The next time I see poodle here post something accurate and factual it will be the first time I have ever seen poodle here post something accurate and factual.

Snowflake - the Russians were not the one's who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. Bin Laden and the Mujahideen LOVED us for arming them and assisting them with defeating the Soviet Union. They bombed the WTC because our boots hit the ground in Saudi Arabia as part of the Gulf War efforts to stop Saddam Hussein in Kuwait.

Now - that happens whether we arm the Mujahideen in Afghanistan or not (it was 100% unrelated). And...Saudi Arabia invited us into their nation to launch operations against Hussein to rescue Kuwait.

So to recap (since we all know you're not the brightest bulb in the chandelier): we helped Bin Laden and we were invited into his country by their leaders. So why did Bin Laden turn on us? Because he was like you: a bat-shit crazy ideologue. We didn't do anything to create Bin Laden. Like Adolf Hitler, he was simply a misguided, unhinged lunatic. Hell, even Bin Laden's own family rejected him. The only thing we are guilty of is training what would become Al Qaeda so that they were considerably better at their guerrilla warfare than they would have been.

It's funny watching you flailing around wildly and desperately, trying to blame Ronald Reagan for anything and everything. His astounding success and culmination as one of the most beloved presidents ever really bothers you.

Sheik and Bake

Osama was a bored rich kid looking for a thrill. That also explains Bush Sr.'s war service. He obviously was never patriotic or else he wouldn't have later gotten his sissyboy brat out of having to fight the Communists. Also, letting these sheltered and stupid HeirHeads run the government is the reason they haven't been able to stop the jihad.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No honest, patriotic American believes Trump's story about Obama.

Trump is incredibly p*ssed off no one believes his Obama wiretaps story, says adviser

 

[gipper]

No honest, patriotic American believes Trump's story about Obama.

Trump is incredibly p*ssed off no one believes his Obama wiretaps story, says adviser

There is nothing funny about Beslan dumbass

 

[Kondor3]

You indicated that you'd like to see us do the same thing the russians did back in the 1980's.

Oh, incidentally, they didn't.

The story is at best, sketchy, having come from the Jerusalem post...

Perhaps.

But, if true, then "it's the thought that counts":

"Knock over two of our buildings, we knock over two of your countries."

A 100-to-1 Kill Ratio, in our favor, is eminently fair.

We make the Rooooskies look like pikers by comparison.

 

[Kondor3]

No honest, patriotic American believes Trump's story about Obama.

Trump is incredibly p*ssed off no one believes his Obama wiretaps story, says adviser

Given that the Obama Administration was capable of its own fair share of arm-twisting (IRS) and snooping, I'm not so sure.

Let's see Herr Drumpf's evidence.

 

[Kondor3]

Even if the Russians did such things, such behavior is abhorrent to Americans and their values.

Sometimes you've got to engage in the abhorrent, when combating abhorrent primitives with their minds back in the 6th century, who happily behead women and children.

Sometimes, a taste of one's own medicine is just what the doctor ordered.

Depends... on a case by case basis.

 

[JoeB131]

Got to love it - when poodle here gets caught lying he reverts to "you're missing the point". Dude - the Soviet Union did not bomb the WTC. Al Qaeda did it - and they didn't even exist during the Soviet - Afghan war. In addition, we were supporting the Mujahideen (the precursor to Al Qaeda). So they didn't bomb us because of ANYTHING to do with that war.

Again, you aremissing the point, and I have to wonder if you are all that smart. The guys who were in the Muhajeeen in 1981 when Reagan armed them were the same guys who were in the Tablian and Al Qaeda. The same people who hated the Russians for bringing modernity to their lands hated us for the same reason.

You do when - at that time - the U.S.S.R. poses an exponentially greater threat than the religious fanatics do. The Soviet Union was a nuclear superpower. Al Qaeda was sitting in Afghanistan eating sand without so much as electricity. It only made sense to employ the "Vietnam" strategy that was employed against us. And it worked too. It was part of Regan's comprehensive Soviet strategy which ultimately ended with their collapse.

No serious historian thinks Reagan brought down the USSR.

The thing is, Reagan's CIA buddies liked dealing with Arab volunteers like BinLaden because they were easier to deal with than the various Afgan tribes. In short, he created a petri dish where a pretty vile thing grew.

 

[JoeB131]

Perhaps.

But, if true, then "it's the thought that counts":

"Knock over two of our buildings, we knock over two of your countries."

A 100-to-1 Kill Ratio, in our favor, is eminently fair.

We make the Rooooskies look like pikers by comparison.

Not really. We end up with a situation like the mythical Hydra, where you cut off a head and two emerge in its' place. Not a good or smart strategy, really.

When Bush started, Al Qaeda was restricted to Afghanistan.

Now it's in Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria

 

[Kondor3]

Perhaps.

But, if true, then "it's the thought that counts":

"Knock over two of our buildings, we knock over two of your countries."

A 100-to-1 Kill Ratio, in our favor, is eminently fair.

We make the Rooooskies look like pikers by comparison.

Not really. We end up with a situation like the mythical Hydra, where you cut off a head and two emerge in its' place. Not a good or smart strategy, really.

When Bush started, Al Qaeda was restricted to Afghanistan.

Now it's in Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria

We did just fine with all of that.

Our trouble was, we stuck around to Nation-Build again, rather than leaving the surviving phukkers to stumble around in the smoking wreckage as we should have.

Next time, we smash, then walk away.

 

[JoeB131]

We did just fine with all of that.

Our trouble was, we stuck around to Nation-Build again, rather than leaving the surviving phukkers to stumble around in the smoking wreckage as we should have.

Next time, we smash, then walk away.

Guy, if you really look at the fucked up mess in the Middle East and say, "You know what our problem was? We tried to help them rebuild!" than you are daft.

The problem was we bombed and invaded countries we never should have bombed or invaded to start with.

 

[Kondor3]

...The problem was we bombed and invaded countries we never should have bombed or invaded to start with.

Country - singular ; specifically, Iraq.

Afghanistan, on the other hand, was a Righteous Shoot; although we should have been in-and-out of there within six months; consequences be damned.

Iraq served to take our eye off the ball; a needless waste of blood and treasure.

But... once we DID go in... we should have pulled-down Saddam's statue, hung the little phukker and his sons and lieutenants, then walked away, right then and there.

Leaving them to rot, rather than trying to Nation Build.

We haven't been any good at Nation Building since Germany and Japan and South Korea.

We've lost the knack, and should stop trying.

 

[JoeB131]

Country - singular ; specifically, Iraq.

Um, no. We've invaded or occuppied or bombed 14 Islamic COuntries since 1980. That's the problem.

We haven't been any good at Nation Building since Germany and Japan and South Korea.

We've lost the knack, and should stop trying.

Well, REPUBLICANS suck at that. Democrats do it just fine.

Probably because Republicans see a war as "how much money can we make for Halliburton selling the army $20 Hamburgers?"

Republicans can fuck up a wet dream.