This is a game changer! Joe Rogan says Israel is committing genocide. And Palestinian Pastor Speaks to American Christians

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

I could see how this thing could turn into a potential World War III … Israel, killing a Irani. In general, I ran sending a bunch of drones to Israel, and then who knows what Israel doesn’t response and vice versa with Iran. The thing keeps going and going and going.

And that is where great American leadership would prevent escalation . To urge these countries like Iran, Israel, Ukraine, and Russia to calm down come together. Not to overly send a bunch of weapons to one of these countries. No there is another way it’s called diplomacy. See take the example of India and Pakistan both nuclear armed. One of them is Muslim. one is Hindu There is a tremendous rivalry, they’ve been nuclear armed for decades and haven’t gone to some big war with each other. They haven’t sent nukes at each other. Their relationship is a heck of a lot better than that of Russia, Ukraine or Iran , Israel



World war is not good. It would be devastating and possibly nuclear. It would wreck the economy and the US economy is already struggling.. We just don’t need that.

 

[john doe 101]

Lots of gaslighting has been done by fanatical supporters of Israel. Meaning while 30,000 Palestinians have been killed they keep talking about October 7 which was very controversial anyways. Many people in Israel think it was a false flag of some sorts or a stand down order was given. But either way the Israel Palestine conflict goes way back before October 7 anyways. The other gaslighting are the pro Israel folks complaining about “antisemitism in the USA” in other words pot smoking lefty hippies yelling something at people by a synagogue or something like that while 30,000 Palestinians, including Palestinian Christians have been killed by (some while hiding in a church) by the IDF.

But main point this is now turning into something that conservatives or Trump leaning people like Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and Joe Rogan are getting into.



The gaslighting Has to stop from some segment of the pro Israel people. It diminishes the many honorable Jewish people fighting for the IDF. And the honorable people in the IDF themselves have even been critical of their government. Of the stupidity of the whole thing.

But regardless of my opinions, this is a game changer what Joe Rogan is saying. His audience is in the many millions. Same thing with Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson who are not peddling a pro Israel line, but one of neutrality and caring about Palestinian civilians, which is in line with Christian values. Especially when we’re talking about Palestinian people which include some of the earliest Christian people who lived among Jesus.

Anyone that quotes Rogan on any topic needs their head checked.

 

[ColonelAngus]

That’s part of the issue. People in the media are trying to gaslight you. Now whether it’s the nonsense point about antisemitism in the USA, another holocaust or October 7 it is extreme gaslighting considering that 30,000 Palestinians have already been killed. And that the IDF holds all the cards, they can do whatever they want whenever they want in Gaza. The people of Gazza don’t have any protection from Hamas

Israel has already attacked Iranian targets in the past 10 years and most recently. So it’s more gaslighting from the media. They are trying to brainwash you my friend. Ok let’s have Israel and Iran make up their minds and do what they want but if they do something that affects America, then we can act on it. If one of those countries tries to invade us, then we act on it. Same thing goes for Russia or Ukraine. If Iran attacks targets that belong to the USA, then of course we attack Iran.

For people who support funding Ukraine, by the same logic, they should support giving 10 times what we give to Ukraine to the Palestinian people to fight Israel. But it’s never really been about morals , it’s been about propping up lobbyists, and people making money off these wars.

The other point is the USA should not get involved. Israel doesn’t need any of our money or military equipment. They are facing one of the weakest militaries in the history of the world in Hamas. Hamas has no Air Force, no tanks no meaningful military ability to stop the IDF.

The USA did not kill 1 million people. When we invaded Iraq, we defeated Iraq in three weeks and the war was over. The problem was the subsequent occupation which is a much different story. Many Iraqis died not from the US guns but from Al-Qaeda.

Also, there is big controversy surrounding October 7. From conservatives like Charlie Kirk, who believe the stand down order might have been given by the IDF to allow the attack to occur for political reasons. Many people in Israel are saying that they want more answers from the government on how in the first place the attack could’ve occurred.


We should allow private individual Americans to send money to or go fight for Israel or Palestine. Just like we did in the Spanish Civil War. But no taxpayer dollars to these countries.

So someone should have stopped us, and this time, that US IS US, telling Israel to stop?

hmmmm

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Israel has given the civilians living in Gaza more than enough time and help to leave the area. All that remains at this point are soldiers. The people who are dying chose to be there. If it were genocide Israel would not have lat them leave. The fighting will cease as soon as all Israeli hostages are released. Another reason there is no genocide.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Yes, it’s a good point, but it Has to be looked at more deeply. I’ve heard an Arab Muslim who fights for the IDF make that exact point. But even he criticized the bad Israelis who have at point blank range killed Palestinian civilians for no reason at all in cold blood ..

‘This military protects us all’: Why some Arabs choose to serve in the IDF

Despite ongoing hostilities in Gaza, a record number of Arab soldiers are currently serving in the Israeli army

www.rt.com

I appreciate folks who have a in-depth understanding of this issue or at least are trying to. I am no expert on the situation, but I’m trying to have a more deeper understanding.

But in the past when I’ve spoken with people like irosie91 Fort Fun Indiana XponentialChaos Dogmaphobe they are incapable of speaking intellectually or with civility. They resort to juvenile childish tactics, personal attacks. And that’s really an embarrassment to America. Because our country is the wealthiest country in the world and our citizens should be really educated on these issues or at least try and understanding if they want to get involved in the conversation.

Then again what difference does it make right. It seems like it’s the lobbyist and politicians who make these decisions, even if Americans disagree with them.

My goodness.

Who could have ever foreseen that XponentialChaos, irosie, Fort Fun and myself would all be placed in the same group.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

So someone should have stopped us, and this time, that US IS US, telling Israel to stop?

hmmmm

Well, Biden, Obama and Clinton put on a fundraiser and provided their support to the government of Israel. A bunch of Democrats clicking their champagne glasses were there raising all this money while the average Americans struggles in this country.

We should’ve never invaded Iraq in the first place. It was stupid. It brought about the rise of ISIL. Trump did not agree with invading Iraq.

I was also responding to your point about casualties. American soldiers did not cause a lot of the casualties in Iraq …. that was caused by Al-Qaeda. Once the Saddam Hussein government was removed from Iraq, all hell broke loose in that country.

We should’ve gone after the Taliban in Afghanistan but no need to invade Iraq … that’s my opinion on that matter.

Israel Can do whatever it wants in Gazza it already has without any repercussion. They’ve already destroyed the city. 30,000 people dead in Gaza, tons of people without homes. There is no restraint on Israel from anybody even in the region. Iran + turkey have talked about opposing Israel but they’ve done nothing about it. Apparently now Iran has sent some drones to Israel. It’s way too late maybe they’re just trying to save face.

Here is my main point to you. American taxpayer dollars should not go to Israel, Ukraine, Palestine, or Russia. Just let individual Americans go fight for these countries or send them money if they want to like it was in the Spanish Civil War.

I do think that American leadership should do what It can to prevent World War III. We don’t need a World War III scenario which could be nuclear and catastrophic. It would wreck our economy.

 

[john doe 101]

I didn’t say that.

We should’ve never invaded Iraq in the first place. It was stupid. It brought about the rise of ISIL.

I was responding to your point about casualties. American soldiers did not cause a lot of the casualties that was caused by Al-Qaeda. Once the Saddam Hussein government was removed from Iraq, all hell broke loose in that country.

We should’ve gone after the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Israel Can do whatever it wants in Gazza it already has without any repercussion. They’ve already destroyed the city. 30,000 people dead in Gaza, tons of people without homes. There is no restraint on Israel from anybody even in the region. I ran in turkey have talked about opposing Israel but they’ve done nothing about it. Apparently now Iran has sent some drone to Israel. It’s way too late maybe they’re just trying to save face.

Here is my main point to you. American taxpayer dollars should not go to Israel, Ukraine, Palestine, or Russia. Just let individual Americans go fight for these countries or send them money if they want to like it was in the Spanish Civil War.

I think that American leadership should do what I can to prevent World War III. We don’t need a World War III scenario which could be nuclear and catastrophic. It would wreck our economy.

Pakistan as well.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Israel has given the civilians living in Gaza more than enough time and help to leave the area. All that remains at this point are soldiers. The people who are dying chose to be there. If it were genocide Israel would not have lat them leave. The fighting will cease as soon as all Israeli hostages are released. Another reason there is no genocide.

It’s a bit controversial, my friend. 30,000 Palestinians have already died. And for many there’s no way for them to get out. Think about disabled or elderly people. Some of them are Christians.

Remember, the Egyptian border was closed for a while. And also keep this in mind even when it was opened it took a lot of time for Palestinians to get out.

The whole of Gaza is unsafe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/10/12/palestinians-can-t-just-leave-gaza-during-israel-hamas-conflict/21fa3714-68b8-11ee-9753-2b3742e96987_story.html

Apparently, Palestinians have to go through hoops and ladders to get out of Gaza

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Israel has given the civilians living in Gaza more than enough time and help to leave the area. All that remains at this point are soldiers. The people who are dying chose to be there. If it were genocide Israel would not have lat them leave. The fighting will cease as soon as all Israeli hostages are released. Another reason there is no genocide.

Maybe the whole October 7 thing and the hostages are being utilized by bad players on both sides for political reasons. Remember right now there’s people making money off this thing.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Most Palestinians are descended from Jewish farmers who didn't leave in the first century.

2012 at the UN.

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Lmaaooo

 

[sparky]

I do think that American leadership should do what It can to prevent World War III. We don’t need a World War III scenario which could be nuclear and catastrophic. It would wreck our economy.

Unfortunate that it's exactly what the jingoists here want Frank

~S~

 

[MarcATL]

No one stopped the US from killing millions of people after 9/11.

Israel should respond to the STATE SPONSORED terror attack on innocent people,NOT JUST JEWS, HOWEVER THEY WANT TO.

FUCK SIMILAR MAGNITUDE? Fuck that bullshit.

We had 3,000 killed on 9/11 and we killed easily over a million.

Why should the US be “allowed” to respond to 9/11 how they see fit, but Israel may not? Eff that!

Sounds like you need to move your ass to Israel and join the IDF.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Let Israel and Iran duke it out.

The MIC has a massive war hard-on….

 

[ColonelAngus]

That is a shame, I guess Iran and Israel are going to have to figure that out.

Too bad we have our own shit to worry about back home, with like 10 million criminal aliens bouncing around the nation and we are broke.

 

[ColonelAngus]

If Iran wants to back Hamas, good for them.

We are not the World Police.

We are no better than anyone else from any nation.

We should not be ugly ignorant Americans and tell the world what to do.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Yes i’m aware that they have some segment of their Muslims who believe in that type of apocalyptic scenario. I know some evangelicals also believe in some kind of similar apocalyptic scenario. But I believe it’s a small portion in both cases

Thing is there are still people in Iran who are Muslim and who want to return to the days of the monarchy. Iran and Israel were friendly when Iran was a monarchy.

Iran's leaders expect this, nothing else matters.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Yes i’m aware that they have some segment of their Muslims who believe in that type of apocalyptic scenario. I know some evangelicals also believe in some kind of similar apocalyptic scenario. But I believe it’s a small portion in both cases

Thing is there are still people in Iran who are Muslim and who want to return to the days of the monarchy. Iran and Israel were friendly when Iran was a monarchy.

They don't have the guns.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Joe Doesnt know his Bible

 

[john doe 101]

Joe Doesnt know his Bible

Trump knows the parts about harems.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Trump knows the parts about harems.

Rump is not a Christian.