This came back to bite me

[Natural Citizen]

Weirdos...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

People are allowed to change their minds. So, I have no major quarrel with Crusader Frank’s turnabout. I disagree with him. But that’s also ok.

If one denies that Iran was seeking (very hard and altogether too fast) to develop nuclear weaponry, then anybody who voted for Trump (in part) on his campaign claims about seeking to avoid war will probably conclude that Trump flip flopped.

If one (such as me) accepts that the insane Iranian Islamofasicsts were seeking (too hard and too fast) to develop nuclear weapons, then the use of our military against that regime makes perfect sense.

I’m curious as to which other campaign claims made by them candidate Trump he hasn’t worked on accomplishing.

To keep these posts reasonably brief, I hope we can discuss those “other things” one at a time.

"Based on what Jared Kushner told me I thought Iran would attack us." -- "Trump" on why he suddenly decided to abandon his "No New Wars" Pledge

It's like the the scene in Holy Grail where King Arthur describes how he became King, just a dumb reason. But this was Trump justification for taking us to war that get more horrifically bad day after day

Trump still hasn't figured out that his "Greatest Ally" does not listen to him, does not care what he has to say and does not care about Trump's plans if any.

Not sure how many of my old friend can still support this madness

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Total nonsense.

Here's total nonsense

"Based on what Jared Kushner told me I thought Iran would attack us." -- So much for the hundreds of billion that we spend on Intel and surveillance every year

 

[BackAgain]

"Based on what Jared Kushner told me I thought Iran would attack us." -- "Trump" on why he suddenly decided to abandon his "No New Wars" Pledge

It's like the the scene in Holy Grail where King Arthur describes how he became King, just a dumb reason. But this was Trump justification for taking us to war that get more horrifically bad day after day

Trump still hasn't figured out that his "Greatest Ally" does not listen to him, does not care what he has to say and does not care about Trump's plans if any.

Not sure how many of my old friend can still support this madness

Ok.

Let’s consider what we already know. (I exclude the left wing Trump haters since they tend not to be honest about such things.)

1. Iran was indeed enriching Uranium to 60%.
2. There is absolutely no reason for that high level of enrichment OTHER than to enrich it to 90%. And the sole reason for that is — yep — nuclear weapons.
3. 60% uranium enrichment can become 90% in only 7 to 10 days.

Now, it is true that this does NOT mean that the Iranian regime was going to do so. I acknowledge that.

However, under all the circumstances (“death to America,” “death to Israel” and what those evil bastards were doing to their own people) what would justify taking the risk? I maintain that it would have been quite irresponsible of President Trump to simply take that risk.

 

[Billiejeens]

Take a nerve pill. There are no "nation-ending unforced errors".
Just strategic maneuvers for long-term national security, unless the $40T national debt goes unaddressed, then we're screwed...

It will never be addressed
It will be okay.

 

[Billiejeens]

I wonder if 'Frank' bit the dust and one of his kids/grandkids/wife took over his account, might as well believe in that conspiracy theory, it's no less crazy than any of the ones he believes in,

President Trump has literally reordered the world to our benefit.

 

[Billiejeens]

Lol. Skirmishes?

LMFAO!

There are still dogs to kill.

 

[Billiejeens]

Yeah, that poster radically changed recently. Like just this year.
I was thinking account hacked.

Naw

Disillusioned from unrealistic expectations.

 

[Leo123]

Here's total nonsense

"Based on what Jared Kushner told me I thought Iran would attack us." -- So much for the hundreds of billion that we spend on Intel and surveillance every year

Stop lying, the whole quote is: “Based on what Steve [Witkoff] and Jared [Kushner] and Pete [Hegseth] and Marco [Rubio] were telling me, I thought [Iran] was going to attack us.”

What it means​

• Trump was explaining his reasoning for a preemptive strike on Iran.
• He framed it as acting on advice and assessments from his team, not solely Kushner.
• Critics have interpreted the comment as him shifting responsibility onto advisers, while supporters say he was describing normal reliance on briefings.

https://chatgpt.com/c/69be347b-b5e8-83e8-a16c-e46d0fb394cc

From Chat GPT no less. Simple research is something you apparently can't or refuse to do before posting your tripe.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Stop lying, the whole quote is: “Based on what Steve [Witkoff] and Jared [Kushner] and Pete [Hegseth] and Marco [Rubio] were telling me, I thought [Iran] was going to attack us.”

What it means​

• Trump was explaining his reasoning for a preemptive strike on Iran.
• He framed it as acting on advice and assessments from his team, not solely Kushner.
• Critics have interpreted the comment as him shifting responsibility onto advisers, while supporters say he was describing normal reliance on briefings.

https://chatgpt.com/c/69be347b-b5e8-83e8-a16c-e46d0fb394cc

From Chat GPT no less. Simple research is something you apparently can't or refuse to do before posting your tripe.

Agreed. I need to fact check everything!

We’ve also since learned that Iran agreed to give up all their enriched uranium.

Jared and Witkoff were the worst possible people to send. In a previous interview, Witkoff slipped that the destruction and “rebuilding” of Gaza was something in planning for 2 years. Jared shot him a death stare. They are eager to build luxury housing on the graves of families Gaza

If I recall, Marco changed his tune on the reasons as well

In any event, were any US Allies besides our “Greatest Ally” ever consulted before the decision to start WWIII and destroy most of the world’s energy supply?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You need to take a better look at how you are being manipulated into believing what you do. Anyone can spout cause and effect and make it all sound legit, your theory that it's all of the Jews in the world that are causing all of the strife is sheer lunacy.

So why did the WH copy and paste an Israel linked group reasoning for the attack on Iran?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

“In a bold and necessary exercise of American strength, President Donald J. Trump authorized Operation Epic Fury — a precise, overwhelming military campaign to eliminate the imminent nuclear threat posed by the Iranian regime, destroy its ballistic missile arsenal, degrade its proxy terror networks, and cripple its naval forces.”

From the White House

Also from the WH

 

[CrusaderFrank]

These are flare up of the slow burn that has been going on since the end of the Cold War.

If we get new friendly governments in Venezuela, Iran and Cuba out of it, it's a huge win.

In your estimation when do the blazing energy fields throughout the ME come back online?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ok.

Let’s consider what we already know. (I exclude the left wing Trump haters since they tend not to be honest about such things.)

1. Iran was indeed enriching Uranium to 60%.
2. There is absolutely no reason for that high level of enrichment OTHER than to enrich it to 90%. And the sole reason for that is — yep — nuclear weapons.
3. 60% uranium enrichment can become 90% in only 7 to 10 days.

Now, it is true that this does NOT mean that the Iranian regime was going to do so. I acknowledge that.

However, under all the circumstances (“death to America,” “death to Israel” and what those evil bastards were doing to their own people) what would justify taking the risk? I maintain that it would have been quite irresponsible of President Trump to simply take that risk.

But this is the same Trump who also said

Why do you continue to believe him?

This isn’t a rounding error

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

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anyone have any idea what this antisemite is saying?

A Keyboard Warrior, showering her monitor with spittle while in a rage, over some imagined harm upon the "Jews".

Take the time to Read My Profile, so as to see what I truly Believe,

Then Research the "Jews" in a Truthful manner, instead of accepting the "State Sponsored Propaganda".

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

...which leads us back to the Oct-7th conundrum, if you know Gazans are bad, why weren't the borders protected better?
That border is supposed to be the most secure border on the planet...it wasn't...

The Data available of what happened to the Gazan Border Security makes no sense. Equipment was shut down for Maintenance, Units were relocated, Units were ordered to stand down. The Hardcore, & Unbelievable acts carried out, by Border security strongly Reek of it being Premeditated, with the End Goal of bringing Israel, & the World to where it is Today.

 

[Greenbeard]

Just strategic maneuvers for long-term national security, unless the $40T national debt goes unaddressed, then we're screwed...

Bad news then.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Reinstatement of blood sacrifices all around? Yay...

That is coming. If the World's Leading Powers, America, Russia, & China approve of building the Third Temple, ... The "Temple Institute" is fully prepared, with the only problem now is that they have not yet found a "Pure Red Heifer".

And,there is strong Data showing that The Al-Aqsa Mosque is actually in the "Outer Court Yard", & not on the site of the Second Temple destroyed by Rome.Theoretically, The Third Temple could be built, with the Mosque remaining where it is.

 

[BackAgain]

But this is the same Trump who also said

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Why do you continue to believe him?

This isn’t a rounding error

Facilities were apparently obliterated. And that does suggest that the Epic Fury efforts were not entirely based on that one week time frame. I get your point. But I don’t know if there is a concern that the facilities we had previously destroyed were (perhaps?) not the only ones the Iranian Islamofascist regime had.

Maybe he later got intel that his first assertion was wrong?

But you ask a good question. His two statements do appear to be at odds with each other. I have read that Iran’s stockpile of 60% enriched Uranium hasn’t been recovered. As someone once famously noted, there is such a thing as acknowledging what we don’t know. We don’t know what we don’t know.

I will concede this much. If their facilities for nuclear weapons’ production were obliterated, then that “one week” time-frame is clearly suspect.

 

[Leo123]

Agreed. I need to fact check everything!

We’ve also since learned that Iran agreed to give up all their enriched uranium.

Jared and Witkoff were the worst possible people to send. In a previous interview, Witkoff slipped that the destruction and “rebuilding” of Gaza was something in planning for 2 years. Jared shot him a death stare. They are eager to build luxury housing on the graves of families Gaza

If I recall, Marco changed his tune on the reasons as well

In any event, were any US Allies besides our “Greatest Ally” ever consulted before the decision to start WWIII and destroy most of the world’s energy supply?

We did not destroy most of the worlds energy supply, We destroyed military targets. We also avoided civilians. As Trump said, signal with you were going to do.