Third Party

[Dogmaphobe]

I would support a party that didn't practice identity politics and supported small business, myself.

Nobody really represents the interests of small business people who are sick of the obvious demagoguery that dominates modern politics.

 

[Chuz Life]

POLL: 64% of Republicans, 15% of Democrats 'Likely' to Join Hypothetical New Trump-Led Political Party - National File

A newly released poll reveals that incessant negative media coverage, two impeachments, and a near universal betrayal by elected Republicans has not tamped down on President Donald Trump’s popularity among his base. In fact, nearly two thirds of Republicans would leave the party to join a...

nationalfile.com

That is a sizable third party.

Not sure a party led by loonies and peopled by gullible idiots can do anything other than **** themselves.

Not sure a party led by loonies and peopled by gullible idiots can do anything other than **** themselves.

You sure about that?

Then how did Biden win?

Did he win?

Really?

 

[Lastamender]

So, 64% of a losing party is going to be a winning party?
(those 15% of the Democrats were faking)

What makes you think that 64% will not turn to 90%. And the percentage of Democrats will certainly grow after time with Biden. I think some are fed up already.

Of course! I forgot about all of the never-trump RINOs suddenly becoming infatuated with being cultists. Hey, it could happen.

Cultists? I am tired of that projection.

 

[Shelzin]

Well if 64 percent are republicans then it still republican with a new name.

No... 64% of republicans would leave the party, not that the new party would be 64% republican. There is a difference. Both the GOP and the DNC are NOT the majority of voters. The majority of voters are not of either party.

With that said... Polls are bullshit.

 

[Lastamender]

Well if 64 percent are republicans then it still republican with a new name.

No... 64% of republicans would leave the party, not that the new party would be 64% republican. There is a difference. Both the GOP and the DNC are NOT the majority of voters. The majority of voters are not of either party.

With that said... Polls are bullshit.

Yes they are, but so are are elections now.

 

[Shelzin]

Well if 64 percent are republicans then it still republican with a new name.

No... 64% of republicans would leave the party, not that the new party would be 64% republican. There is a difference. Both the GOP and the DNC are NOT the majority of voters. The majority of voters are not of either party.

With that said... Polls are bullshit.

Yes they are, but so are are elections now.

I concede the point.

 

[DudleySmith]

First of all, the courts, local, state, and Federal, would have to be independent of the parties, so it's already a losing deal; no possible way any third party is ever going to get on a ballot, no matter how many signatures you present, especially not under a criminal regime headed by an extortionist gangster.

 

[Lastamender]

First of all, the courts, local, state, and Federal, would have to be independent of the parties, so it's already a losing deal; no possible way any third party is ever going to get on a ballot, no matter how many signatures you present, especially not under a criminal regime headed by an extortionist gangster.

Biden already has a party.

 

[d0gbreath]

Cultists? I am tired of that projection.

Take a nap cultist.

 

[Dana7360]

POLL: 64% of Republicans, 15% of Democrats 'Likely' to Join Hypothetical New Trump-Led Political Party - National File

A newly released poll reveals that incessant negative media coverage, two impeachments, and a near universal betrayal by elected Republicans has not tamped down on President Donald Trump’s popularity among his base. In fact, nearly two thirds of Republicans would leave the party to join a...

nationalfile.com

That is a sizable third party.

I can't agree more. I totally support this.

For a couple reasons.

We need a good and viable third party in this nation. The two parties have a monopoly on our politics. I have never believed that was good for America.

Also, if 65% of republicans go to a 3rd party, that guarantees that no conservative or republican will ever win a national vote and have a very hard time winning a state or local vote.

Which is only very good for our nation. Hopefully the stupid conservative economic and social policy will finally come to an end.

 

[Shelzin]

I can't agree more. I totally support this.

For a couple reasons.

We need a good and viable third party in this nation. The two parties have a monopoly on our politics. I have never believed that was good for America.

Holy shit you said something I agree with... JOY.

Also, if 65% of republicans go to a 3rd party, that guarantees that no conservative or republican will ever win a national vote and have a very hard time winning a state or local vote.

Which is only very good for our nation. Hopefully the stupid conservative economic and social policy will finally come to an end.

And then you killed it. Figures.

 

[Dana7360]

Well if 64 percent are republicans then it still republican with a new name.

The new name is the Qtrumplicans.

Chances are you will be calling them winners. America first is here to stay.

If you want jobs to come back to America you're supporting the people who made it possible for those jobs to leave in the first place.

The jobs started leaving America when reagan slashed taxes. In that time the jobs went to Japan.

Conservative tax and regulation policy sent American jobs to other nations.

When corporations know that they will have to pay the majority of their profits above a certain level to taxes, that corporation doesn't generate profits above that level. Which removes the greed that moves American jobs to other nations.

We've tried showering them with money in tax cuts and corporate welfare. We've showered them with deregulation. We've kept wages below poverty level to the point that we now have to subsidize employer wages with pubic assistance just so working people can live while allowing the corporation to not pay their employees a proper living wage. No one can live in America in 2021 on 7.25 an hour.

None of that has worked. In fact, it's done the opposite.

The only way to to put America first and keep our jobs here is to impose heavy fines or taxes on those companies that move. Make it much more expensive to move and they will stay right here in America.

Which is what we did until reagan imposed conservative economics on our nation.

 

[Shelzin]

The only way to to put America first and keep our jobs here is to impose heavy fines or taxes on those companies that move. Make it much more expensive to move and they will stay right here in America.

Which is what we did until reagan imposed conservative economics on our nation.

That's what Tariffs are. Pretty sure you are against those. o.0

 

[Dana7360]

The only way to to put America first and keep our jobs here is to impose heavy fines or taxes on those companies that move. Make it much more expensive to move and they will stay right here in America.

Which is what we did until reagan imposed conservative economics on our nation.

That's what Tariffs are. Pretty sure you are against those. o.0

No, tariffs are passed on to the consumer. The corporation doesn't pay those tariffs. So there is no incentive for a corporation to keep those jobs here in America.

We did impose those tariffs. The jobs kept leaving.

I do support tariffs. Reasonable tariffs. If a nation is going to impose a 30% tariff on our products sent to them, we should impose the same 30% tariff on their goods sent to us. I don't believe that tariffs should be used to keep jobs in America. Mostly because that doesn't work.

Impose real fines on the corporation. On their revenues above a certain level. On ever penny that they generate.

If they know that they will lose 50 to 70% of those revenues above a certain level to taxes they have no incentive to move our jobs to other nations.

If they know that they will pay three times the FICA and FIT taxes on jobs they move to other nations, they won't move those jobs.

If we make those corporations pay many times the social security, medicare, medicaid, workman's comp taxes for every job they move for as long as the job is in other nations, that company won't move the job.

If we impose FIT taxes that force them to hand over up to 70% of their revenues after a certain amount to taxes that company won't move to other nations to generate those revenues above a certain amount.

It's very simple. Make it extremely expensive and impossible to pass that expense onto the consumer.

Imposing those taxes on revenues, not profits, will do just that. If you don't know the difference between revenues and profits then you have no business being in this conversation or any economic conversation.

The jobs will stay in America.

The low taxes, no regulations, low wages and little protections for workers here in America have not worked. The jobs keep leaving.

Why keep doing what you know won't work and expect it to work?

That is stupid.

Intelligent people knows what works. We did it for decades. Until conservative economics took over.

Wake up and see what is right in front of your face.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

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That's what Tariffs are. Pretty sure you are against those. o.0

When Trump employees this long-held liberal practice to protect American workers, anyway. If the Harris/Biden regime would do it (which they won't), then Dana would support it to the hilt.

 

[Shelzin]

The only way to to put America first and keep our jobs here is to impose heavy fines or taxes on those companies that move. Make it much more expensive to move and they will stay right here in America.

Which is what we did until reagan imposed conservative economics on our nation.

That's what Tariffs are. Pretty sure you are against those. o.0

No, tariffs are passed on to the consumer. The corporation doesn't pay those tariffs. So there is no incentive for a corporation to keep those jobs here in America.

We did impose those tariffs. The jobs kept leaving.

No... If the tariff is high enough then it's cheaper to build at home than over seas. That's the whole point of them. They are only paid by the consumer, if that good doesn't get made in the US.. In which case you would pay the higher labor cost anyway. So the price of the good would go up either way.

I do support tariffs. Reasonable tariffs. If a nation is going to impose a 30% tariff on our products sent to them, we should impose the same 30% tariff on their goods sent to us. I don't believe that tariffs should be used to keep jobs in America. Mostly because that doesn't work.

No.. They do work if they are high enough... But I do also agree that it's not a good solution. Because if you get rid of them, it's a fairly immediate collapse of the jobs created.

Impose real fines on the corporation. On their revenues above a certain level. On ever penny that they generate.

If there is a minimum wage... Then there also should be a maximum?

If they know that they will lose 50 to 70% of those revenues above a certain level to taxes they have no incentive to move our jobs to other nations.

Effectively giving them a tariff. You can call it anything you want, you are taxing goods for coming in from another nation.

I don't know why I expect you to say anything intelligent. You are a very good, even excellent writer. But it's like only one side of your brain works. Like a high functioning savant... Or... A paid lawyer.

 

[Shelzin]

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That's what Tariffs are. Pretty sure you are against those. o.0

When Trump employees this long-held liberal practice to protect American workers, anyway. If the Harris/Biden regime would do it (which they won't), then Dana would support it to the hilt.

I agree until she shows otherwise.

 

[Aletheia4u]

If Pres. Trump starts his own party. He needs to put it in his name. Because there are people who has a one track mind. That they will only vote for something that they recognize or familiar with. But they will recognizes something that has his name stamped on it. But these people who has their mind set on voting for him or his affiliates only recognizes him of belonging to the republican party. But if the new party has his name of it. That they'll be voting for his party for the next 200 years. But right now, they only recognizes him belonging to the Republicans party. And so he needs to named the party after him.
That is why they have changed the color code on the party. They've changed the Republicans from blue to red to confused their supporters. They know that there were some that has set their minds on voting for what party that represented the blue or with the blue emblem on it.

 

[Dana7360]

The only way to to put America first and keep our jobs here is to impose heavy fines or taxes on those companies that move. Make it much more expensive to move and they will stay right here in America.

Which is what we did until reagan imposed conservative economics on our nation.

That's what Tariffs are. Pretty sure you are against those. o.0

No, tariffs are passed on to the consumer. The corporation doesn't pay those tariffs. So there is no incentive for a corporation to keep those jobs here in America.

We did impose those tariffs. The jobs kept leaving.

No... If the tariff is high enough then it's cheaper to build at home than over seas. That's the whole point of them. They are only paid by the consumer, if that good doesn't get made in the US.. In which case you would pay the higher labor cost anyway. So the price of the good would go up either way.

I do support tariffs. Reasonable tariffs. If a nation is going to impose a 30% tariff on our products sent to them, we should impose the same 30% tariff on their goods sent to us. I don't believe that tariffs should be used to keep jobs in America. Mostly because that doesn't work.

No.. They do work if they are high enough... But I do also agree that it's not a good solution. Because if you get rid of them, it's a fairly immediate collapse of the jobs created.

Impose real fines on the corporation. On their revenues above a certain level. On ever penny that they generate.

If there is a minimum wage... Then there also should be a maximum?

If they know that they will lose 50 to 70% of those revenues above a certain level to taxes they have no incentive to move our jobs to other nations.

Effectively giving them a tariff. You can call it anything you want, you are taxing goods for coming in from another nation.

I don't know why I expect you to say anything intelligent. You are a very good, even excellent writer. But it's like only one side of your brain works. Like a high functioning savant... Or... A paid lawyer.

I couldn't get past the first sentence. What you say isn't happening and won't ever happen.

Plus those tariffs destroys American manufacturing and farming. Look what has happened to business and farming because of those tariffs trump imposed. The manufacturing recession started in 2019. trump had to give farmers socialism to stay afloat and even that didn't stop the bank foreclosures on family farms.

The nations the tariffs are imposed on always retaliate and hurts Americans.

Imposing the taxes and penalties on the companies doesn't cause all the destruction that tariffs cause. All it will do is keep jobs here in America.

The tariff is on the American consumer.

Why do you want to penalize and punish the American consumer?

We aren't the ones who are moving the jobs.

The corporations are. You just don't want them to take responsibility for their actions.

If a company is highly taxed on their revenue and moving to another country is much more expensive to do, they won't move.

Stop punishing us American consumers.

Go after those who are guilty of the problem.

 

[Shelzin]

I couldn't get past the first sentence. What you say isn't happening and won't ever happen.

And this is why I call you stupid without feeling bad about it.