They're Rich. They're Anti-Trump. And They Don't Want Their Massive Tax Cuts.

[Mac1958]

Are personal higher income tax rates "fair" in the literal sense? I'd say no. And I think it's pretty obvious.

But we're past "fair" now. We can pretend we aren't, we can turn a blind eye to the removal of critical benefits from the lowest rungs of our society, we can blindly justify historic wealth disparities, we can keep adding to the debt while bitching about it, but we're past fair now.

We have to find a way to intelligently and carefully (as compared to the moronic way it's being done) streamline government costs, AND we have to increase income tax revenues. That's the hole we have chosen to dig for ourselves.

This is a partisan political debate over a math problem. It's a partisan political debate over a sociological problem. Tribalism over reality and reason. Politics soils every last goddamn thing it touches, and it's bringing us down in real time.

 

[jc456]

Are personal higher income tax rates "fair" in the literal sense? I'd say no. And I think it's pretty obvious.

But we're past "fair" now. We can pretend we aren't, we can turn a blind eye to the removal of critical benefits from the lowest rungs of our society, we can blindly justify historic wealth disparities, we can keep adding to the debt while bitching about it, but we're past fair now.

We have to find a way to intelligently and carefully (as compared to the moronic way it's being done) streamline government costs, AND we have to increase income tax revenues. That's the hole we have chosen to dig for ourselves.

This is a partisan political debate over a math problem. It's a partisan political debate over a sociological problem. Tribalism over reality and reason. Politics soils every last goddamn thing it touches, and it's bringing us down in real time.

Hilarious, blah blah blah but offer of no alternative. Not sure what is obvious and as usual unexplained. Always with demofks. You never disappoint.

 

[Mac1958]

Hilarious, blah blah blah but offer of no alternative. Always with demofks. You never disappoint.

Obviously you didn't read what I said. Or it was too complicated for you.

You're just too thick for me. Sorry.

 

[jc456]

Obviously you didn't read what I said. Or it was too complicated for you.

You're just too thick for me. Sorry.

I read your first sentence, all I needed to do. you don't provide an explanation of your obvious

 

[jc456]

I read your first sentence, all I needed to do. you don't provide an explanation of your obvious

Mac1958 , so explain what is obvious. Why isn't it fair?

 

[justoffal]

From the Washington Post --

Kimberly Hoover has been to most Michelin-star restaurants on the East and West coasts. She and her wife, multimillionaires from their real estate firms, own homes in or near New York City, Washington, Miami and Quebec. Their lives are filled with skiing, fine wine and long trips to Europe.

Hoover’s accountant estimates that the new tax law that President Donald Trump signed this month will save her several million dollars over the next few years. While many Americans might rejoice at that kind of windfall, Hoover worked hard to stop it from becoming a reality, arguing to lawmakers that she has more money than she needs.

“At some point, it starts to feel wrong. It starts to feel excessive. It starts to feel somehow inappropriate. And at some point, it just doesn’t feel good,” said Hoover, who spoke while on break from a sapphic literature conference she helps sponsor in Albany. “Imbalanced is really not good for anyone, even if you’re on the positive end of that imbalance, because it’s unsustainable.”


This explains why many rich people feel this way. They're embarrassed by Trump and the disgusting MAGA Republican Party. --


During the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush, affluent Americans who benefited from tax cuts were more likely to be Republicans. The political party they supported delivered material benefits that boosted their pocketbooks. Democratic voters, by comparison, were more likely to be working or middle class.

Now, more than half of upper-income families — defined as those earning more than $215,400 per year — vote Democratic, according to a 2024 Pew Research survey, as more highly educated voters shift to the left. The top fifth of earners went from supporting Barack Obama in 2008 by a 2.5-point margin to supporting Joe Biden in 2020 by close to 15 percentage points. “Affluent Americans used to vote for Republican politicians. Now they vote for Democrats,” one 2023 paper found. That shift intensified during the 2024 presidential election, when large numbers of Black and Latino voters, who tend to be lower-income, defected to the Republican ticket for the first time in decades, according to several political scientists, exit polls and studies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/07/25/trump-tax-law-rich-liberals/

There's not a goddamn thing on planet stopping her from changing her tax rate voluntarily through her accountant's office. If she doesn't do that then basically she's just a loud mouth two face with nothing more to offer but hot air and noise.

 

[jc456]

Mac1958 , so explain what is obvious. Why isn't it fair?

Mac1958 , BTW, if some rich ***** doesn't believe she pays enough, she can volunteer as much as she wants. So spare us all demofk tears.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Unfortunately there are a lot of dead beats. We are what now? 37 trillion in debt and far too many want others in the future to be responsible for that.

Stop spending on egregious items and I will be more than happy to entertain tax increases. Otherwise, it is simply comical to listen to the party of drunken sailor spenders lecture about “pay your fair share” until they start from a basis of fiscal responsibility.

Here are some examples of wasteful spending that need to cease until we talk more taxes:

-$42 Million Johns Hopkins Research and Drive Social Change in Uganda.

-$20M for Fiscal Federalism in Nepal

-$18M for Biodiversity Conservation in Nepal

-$1.5M for Voter Confidence in Liberia

-$14M for Social Cohesion in Mali

-$2.5M for Inclusive Democracies in South Africa

-$47M for Improving Learning outcomes in Asia

-$14M for Improving Public Procurement in Serbia

-$422M for improving Political Process in Moldova

-$21M for Voter Turnout in India

-$2.3M for Strengthening Independent Voices in Cambodia

-$32M for the Prague Civil Centre

-$10M for Voluntary Circomscisions in Mozambique

-$40M to Improve the Inclusion of Sedentary Migrants

$520M for Environmental Consultation

 

[Nostra]

Are personal higher income tax rates "fair" in the literal sense? I'd say no. And I think it's pretty obvious.

But we're past "fair" now. We can pretend we aren't, we can turn a blind eye to the removal of critical benefits from the lowest rungs of our society, we can blindly justify historic wealth disparities, we can keep adding to the debt while bitching about it, but we're past fair now.

We have to find a way to intelligently and carefully (as compared to the moronic way it's being done) streamline government costs, AND we have to increase income tax revenues. That's the hole we have chosen to dig for ourselves.

This is a partisan political debate over a math problem. It's a partisan political debate over a sociological problem. Tribalism over reality and reason. Politics soils every last goddamn thing it touches, and it's bringing us down in real time.

Link?

 

[Nostra]

Mac1958 , so explain what is obvious. Why isn't it fair?

He fucked up by admitting it isn’t fair to tax one person more than another.

 

[jc456]

Unfortunately there are a lot of dead beats. We are what now? 37 trillion in debt and far too many want others in the future to be responsible for that.

to continue to spend on useless shit I say cut taxes all the way and stop their fking asses for misusing our money. You don't hold your fkers accountable, you lick their balls and ask for more. Like here, you want to punish normal americans rather than the thieves in DC. sad.

 

[Nostra]

Stop spending on egregious items and I will be more than happy to entertain tax increases. Otherwise, it is simply comical to listen to the party of drunken sailor spenders lecture about “pay your fair share” until they start from a basis of fiscal responsibility.

Here are some examples of wasteful spending that need to cease until we talk more taxes:

-$42 Million Johns Hopkins Research and Drive Social Change in Uganda.

-$20M for Fiscal Federalism in Nepal

-$18M for Biodiversity Conservation in Nepal

-$1.5M for Voter Confidence in Liberia

-$14M for Social Cohesion in Mali

-$2.5M for Inclusive Democracies in South Africa

-$47M for Improving Learning outcomes in Asia

-$14M for Improving Public Procurement in Serbia

-$422M for improving Political Process in Moldova

-$21M for Voter Turnout in India

-$2.3M for Strengthening Independent Voices in Cambodia

-$32M for the Prague Civil Centre

-$10M for Voluntary Circomscisions in Mozambique

-$40M to Improve the Inclusion of Sedentary Migrants

$520M for Environmental Consultation

RACIST!

 

[pknopp]

Stop spending on egregious items and I will be more than happy to entertain tax increases. Otherwise, it is simply comical to listen to the party of drunken sailor spenders lecture about “pay your fair share” until they start from a basis of fiscal responsibility.

Here are some examples of wasteful spending that need to cease until we talk more taxes:

-$42 Million Johns Hopkins Research and Drive Social Change in Uganda.

-$20M for Fiscal Federalism in Nepal

-$18M for Biodiversity Conservation in Nepal

-$1.5M for Voter Confidence in Liberia

-$14M for Social Cohesion in Mali

-$2.5M for Inclusive Democracies in South Africa

-$47M for Improving Learning outcomes in Asia

-$14M for Improving Public Procurement in Serbia

-$422M for improving Political Process in Moldova

-$21M for Voter Turnout in India

-$2.3M for Strengthening Independent Voices in Cambodia

-$32M for the Prague Civil Centre

-$10M for Voluntary Circomscisions in Mozambique

-$40M to Improve the Inclusion of Sedentary Migrants

$520M for Environmental Consultation

The spending and the debt continues. Seems the only way to slow the debt down is to actually make people pay for it.

Just using one example.........if Congress had said we need to spend billions in Ukraine and to pay for that we are instituting an across the board X percent tax increase......do you think we would have wasted billions in Ukraine?

 

[jc456]

Because you vote that way every ******* election, sucker.

That's why MAGA dumb ***** like you actually believe The Big Ugly Bill will benefit your worthless, nobody MAGA ass.

tell us one program a demofk asked to be cut? Run along and post it now.

 

[jc456]

The spending and the debt continues. Seems the only way to slow the debt down is to actually make people pay for it.

why is it the peoples burden? Explain it for us

 

[jc456]

He fucked up by admitting it isn’t fair to tax one person more than another.

Nice catch!!!

 

[pknopp]

to continue to spend on useless shit I say cut taxes all the way and stop their fking asses for misusing our money. You don't hold your fkers accountable, you lick their balls and ask for more. Like here, you want to punish normal americans rather than the thieves in DC. sad.

No one I have voted for has signed a single spending bill in over 2 decades. You?

 

[jc456]

why is it the peoples burden? Explain it for us

pknopp I knew you couldn't explain your point, you hardly ever do. It's obvious you have no intention of discussing any topic in here.

 

[hadit]

From the Washington Post --

Kimberly Hoover has been to most Michelin-star restaurants on the East and West coasts. She and her wife, multimillionaires from their real estate firms, own homes in or near New York City, Washington, Miami and Quebec. Their lives are filled with skiing, fine wine and long trips to Europe.

Hoover’s accountant estimates that the new tax law that President Donald Trump signed this month will save her several million dollars over the next few years. While many Americans might rejoice at that kind of windfall, Hoover worked hard to stop it from becoming a reality, arguing to lawmakers that she has more money than she needs.

“At some point, it starts to feel wrong. It starts to feel excessive. It starts to feel somehow inappropriate. And at some point, it just doesn’t feel good,” said Hoover, who spoke while on break from a sapphic literature conference she helps sponsor in Albany. “Imbalanced is really not good for anyone, even if you’re on the positive end of that imbalance, because it’s unsustainable.”


This explains why many rich people feel this way. They're embarrassed by Trump and the disgusting MAGA Republican Party. --


During the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush, affluent Americans who benefited from tax cuts were more likely to be Republicans. The political party they supported delivered material benefits that boosted their pocketbooks. Democratic voters, by comparison, were more likely to be working or middle class.

Now, more than half of upper-income families — defined as those earning more than $215,400 per year — vote Democratic, according to a 2024 Pew Research survey, as more highly educated voters shift to the left. The top fifth of earners went from supporting Barack Obama in 2008 by a 2.5-point margin to supporting Joe Biden in 2020 by close to 15 percentage points. “Affluent Americans used to vote for Republican politicians. Now they vote for Democrats,” one 2023 paper found. That shift intensified during the 2024 presidential election, when large numbers of Black and Latino voters, who tend to be lower-income, defected to the Republican ticket for the first time in decades, according to several political scientists, exit polls and studies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/07/25/trump-tax-law-rich-liberals/

And here we're told that the democrats are not the party of the ultra-wealthy. It is to chuckle politely.

What's stopping them from not taking deductions? They have no credibility until they purposely overpay their taxes, if they honestly feel that way. And here's a thought, instead of complaining that they have too much, why are they not liberally giving it away, funding charities, building low-cost grocery stores in the middle of the urban jungle, funding private schools for poor children, etc.? The government is not the only game in town.

 

[jc456]

And here we're told that the democrats are not the party of the ultra-wealthy. It is to chuckle politely.

What's stopping them from not taking deductions? They have no credibility until they purposely overpay their taxes, if they honestly feel that way. And here's a thought, instead of complaining that they have too much, why are they not liberally giving it away, funding charities, building low-cost grocery stores in the middle of the urban jungle, funding private schools for poor children, etc.? The government is not the only game in town.

We're still waiting!! Even Gates told them to bite him.