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Transexual-ism seems to me to be a slap in the face to the LGB community. The premise of LGB is that its okay to be attracted to, have sex with, and even marry members of your own sex. If the premise of LBG is true, how is it possible to be the wrong sex body?Conservatives are so simplistic
Boys/Girls.
The idea that humans have always had different sexualities is offensive to them.
They fought for generations against the idea of homosexuality.
They lost.
Now they have picked up the fight against transgenders
Why do you think it's just conservatives who are against trans activist? Many feminist are against trans along with many in the LGB community.
So would it be fair for me to say that I don’t believe that you love your wife because you can’t verify it therefore I don’t think marriage should be a valid or accepted thing?
You can believe whatever the hell you want, it’s a free country. They just want to be respected and treated equally by their society. The harder people like you push back the more force there will be by our institutions to regulate education in our schools and workplace. Cause and effectSo would it be fair for me to say that I don’t believe that you love your wife because you can’t verify it therefore I don’t think marriage should be a valid or accepted thing?
You are free to not believe I love my wife. The difference is, I'm not attempting to force you to believe it or else you don't accept me as a person, which is what the trans-activist community is demanding.
They just want to be respected and treated equally by their society.
I think you’re confusing them with the stop the steal crowd. That’s a movement based on a lie. This is a movement based on peoples identityThey just want to be respected and treated equally by their society.
Their definition of “be[ing] respected and treated equally by their society.” requires sane people to believe and play along with an insane and absurd lie.
That simply isn't going to happen. Period.
These degenerate freaks are free to believe whatever madness they will, but they have no right and no credible reason to expect that sane people will buy into it.
Sane people will always be clear on the distinction between men and women, and will always recognize that those who are confused about this distinction are afflicted with severe mental defects.
I think you’re confusing them with the stop the steal crowd. That’s a movement based on a lie. This is a movement based on peoples identity
I just don’t feel the need to define other people. People are who they are. If they aren’t threatening the safety of others then why would I give a shit what they do, who they love or how they identify... why do you care?I think you’re confusing them with the stop the steal crowd. That’s a movement based on a lie. This is a movement based on peoples identity
If there is any relevance between that bullshit and anything else in this thread, I do not see it.
I guess I'll just dismiss it as the insane rantings of someone who is so deeply fucked-up in his head that he is confused about the distinction between men and women.
I just don’t feel the need to define other people. People are who they are. If they aren’t threatening the safety of others then why would I give a shit what they do, who they love or how they identify... why do you care?
You can believe whatever the hell you want, it’s a free country. They just want to be respected and treated equally by their society. The harder people like you push back the more force there will be by our institutions to regulate education in our schools and workplace. Cause and effect
Dear Slade3200What kind of danger and threat do you see coming from Trans people? Do you feel the same way about people who have plastic surgery?Oh interesting so how do you want to go about that project. Mandate trans people to get psychological evaluations every so often. Maybe give them a badge of sanity they can wear in public or toss them in the asylum if they don’t pass? Is that what you’d like to see?She’s gonna act however she wants which is like a man. So you want him in the women’s room next to the little girls... right?Just to clarify, you’d want this guy to go into the women’s bathroom with little girls, right?Sexual perverts (aka transgenders) are not being denied the use of a bathroomPeople were outraged when they integrated restrooms.
How dare they expect me to use the same restroom as a negro?
but male perverts are being denied access to womens bathrooms
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Only if she puts a shirt on, and doesn't act like the loon she is.
Actually, only if she has been certified as sane enough to be let loose on the streets. Cause she looks like a loon.
Who knows what drugs she has to be on, to get her body to look like that and what they are doing to her mind.
Me personally? I would think that anyone that wants to disfigure themselves to that extent should be considered a danger to themselves.
I'm not sure how people with such illnesses are handled now, but from the massive homeless population, I believe the answer is, "not very well".
A good conversation about how to handle dangerously unhinged people, is very much needed. And won't happen.
Dear Mr. FriscusYou can believe whatever the hell you want, it’s a free country. They just want to be respected and treated equally by their society. The harder people like you push back the more force there will be by our institutions to regulate education in our schools and workplace. Cause and effect
You keep on indirectly saying 2 things at once.
1. You can believe whatever the hell you want, it’s a free country.
2. They just want to be respected and treated equally by their society.
I know why you say #1, it sounds good to say. However, the established notion of #2 is at an impasse with it.
In the perspective of the trans-activist community, the only way they feel respected and treated equally is for me, and society, to change our definitions of biological and psychological institutions engrained in our DNA and bodies through millions of years of an evolutionary process. They're holding everyone up, with absolutely no verifiable reason, and if we don't obey we're awful people. Such a demand is not only clearly void of any sort of objective evidence, and it takes oh so much gaul and audacity to demand everyone believe what you believe, no questions asked, and then hold contempt for them if they don't. It's truly reminiscent and in cahoots with the Millenial "not fair, everyone gets a trophy" generational psychological effect.
So, if I can't disagree without being deemed something horrible, I really don't have the diverse freedom to think other things. The trans-community holds no respect for us, free-thinking individuals. There's an onus of proof, and if you don't have it, which the trans-community by definition doesn't, they need to humble themselves and understand why people might not believe their ideology. I do so when I have theories that don't have the necessary amount of proof, it just takes humility, which activists of any kind, along with keyboard/Twitter/Media warriors in our society avoid like the plague. They're too busy trying to be right and grab power. To look inward and address yourself honestly is a weakness, because hey, the opposition is just that evil and mean... right?
Meanwhile, with zero evidence and frame of reference, the idea that they aren't being "treated equally" is false. How are they treated unequally?
Plastic surgery patients don’t get bullied and demonized like trans people do. More often than not people who get cosmetic surgery are glorified on magazine covers and the like. The worst they may get is ridicule if the surgery looks bad. Are you really trying to equate that to the demonization of trans people to that, correct me if I’m misunderstanding? Do you understand why a trans guy, once a woman now a man with a hairy chest and beard wants to use the men’s room or why a trans female who has boobs and a vagina wants to use the women’s room?!Dear Slade3200What kind of danger and threat do you see coming from Trans people? Do you feel the same way about people who have plastic surgery?Oh interesting so how do you want to go about that project. Mandate trans people to get psychological evaluations every so often. Maybe give them a badge of sanity they can wear in public or toss them in the asylum if they don’t pass? Is that what you’d like to see?She’s gonna act however she wants which is like a man. So you want him in the women’s room next to the little girls... right?Just to clarify, you’d want this guy to go into the women’s bathroom with little girls, right?Sexual perverts (aka transgenders) are not being denied the use of a bathroomPeople were outraged when they integrated restrooms.
How dare they expect me to use the same restroom as a negro?
but male perverts are being denied access to womens bathrooms
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Only if she puts a shirt on, and doesn't act like the loon she is.
Actually, only if she has been certified as sane enough to be let loose on the streets. Cause she looks like a loon.
Who knows what drugs she has to be on, to get her body to look like that and what they are doing to her mind.
Me personally? I would think that anyone that wants to disfigure themselves to that extent should be considered a danger to themselves.
I'm not sure how people with such illnesses are handled now, but from the massive homeless population, I believe the answer is, "not very well".
A good conversation about how to handle dangerously unhinged people, is very much needed. And won't happen.
1. People with plastic surgery get criticized all the time, but they don't demand govt punish critics harassed as "transphobic" "racist" "homophobes" through a double standard where one person's beliefs and ability to express them is protected as a class while the other is punished as discrimination. That is still abusing govt for discrimination by creed.
Can you show me an example of where plastic surgery has been declared a protected class?
2. It was the Transgender advocates that insisted on imposing rules for genetic males to use female restrooms, dressing rooms in schools, and women's sports events to get scholarships with a biological advantage over female competitors deprived of educational and financial opportunities.
Can you show me an example of where plastic surgery clients have fought to pass legislation imposing their beliefs on others to disparage equal rights and protections?
The closest I have seen to a controversy over plastic surgery is in Beauty Contests. But those are private contests and companies that make and enforce their own rules.
With transgender issues, these were affecting tax paid public policies on schools and restrooms in public facilities.
Can you give examples of a fair comparison, and we can discuss if the bias is over the transgender issue itself or the general conflict of imposing personal beliefs (whether for or against LGBT) into GOVT policy and jurisdiction where it violates equal rights beliefs or protections of others (regardless of creed).
I think the Beauty Pageant policy may be close: is it fair to let people with or without plastic surgery compete in the same contest? Should there be separate contests for natural and modified? Similar to having Unisex sports events where transfemales can compete with each other or anyone who wants to participate, and moderate the classifications by weight or other measures to keep the matches fair.
You could get banned from facebook for posting that
Not unequally by the law. That's what we're talking about. We treat people and things unequal all the time, and for a good reason.They are treated unequally if they cannot compete in either male or female sports but would require a unisex or transgender category to compete with similar class members.
The problem with LGBT policy is overcorrecting and creating reverse discrimination. Neutral govt policy might protect "sexual beliefs" from discrimination, so this protects all beliefs equally, not just LGBT, instead of establishing some beliefs while punishing others which is unconstitutional.
Plastic surgery patients don’t get bullied and demonized like trans people do. More often than not people who get cosmetic surgery are glorified on magazine covers and the like. The worst they may get is ridicule if the surgery looks bad. Are you really trying to equate that to the demonization of trans people to that, correct me if I’m misunderstanding? Do you understand why a trans guy, once a woman now a man with a hairy chest and beard wants to use the men’s room or why a trans female who has boobs and a vagina wants to use the women’s room?!
Another strategy we can try Mr. Friscus is a mix between reverse psychology and if you can't beat them, join them:Plastic surgery patients don’t get bullied and demonized like trans people do. More often than not people who get cosmetic surgery are glorified on magazine covers and the like. The worst they may get is ridicule if the surgery looks bad. Are you really trying to equate that to the demonization of trans people to that, correct me if I’m misunderstanding? Do you understand why a trans guy, once a woman now a man with a hairy chest and beard wants to use the men’s room or why a trans female who has boobs and a vagina wants to use the women’s room?!
Those are broad strokes you're painting with. Most groups of people are bullied to some extent, and some groups leftists openly enjoy bullying, such as males, white people and Christians. The most glorified, adored, "sacred" group in our society as we are lectured to by media, hollywood, and the MSM are transgender people. That is obvious. Always the protagonists, always portrayed as brave, virtuous individuals, while not allowed to be critiqued or disagreed with.. lest you pay the punishment. There's a gun to anyone's head who doesn't conform to the agenda. That's not freedom
Another strategy we can try Mr. Friscus is a mix between reverse psychology and if you can't beat them, join them:
Why not petition for equal protections of the 1% transgender or 4% LGBT
to be applied toward protecting beliefs and individual representation of exgays, Trump voters, people who don't believe in counting unnotarized mailin ballots but require all these votes to be verified by notarization, prolife beliefs against abortion to be protected equally as promask and provaccine, etc.
If we demand the same INDIVIDUAL standards of protections for LGBT people as for all other Political Beliefs and Creeds suffering harassment, bullying, and exclusion from public policy, then we can end "Discrimination by Creed" for all people, regardless of affiliation or size of population!
Why not ask for the same protections?
And either enforce for everyone, or get all creeds out of govt if none can be protected without penalizing other creeds.
Also if transmen who are fully male in appearance are forced by law to use the women's restrooms, this imposea on both the other guests, seeing a fully bearded man in there, and that person having to explain or be assumed or confonted as a criminal pervert
