CDZ There are TWO Genders: Change My Mind

[Mac-7]

Do you agree that’s how it should be done?

No I dont agree

particularly for massive and controversial social change such as abortion or gay/trans rights

 

[Mac-7]

That is a religious connotation and the state has no business dealing with that.

But it does deal with marriage as more than a property contract because of the children involved

the state merely seeks to codify what already existed

 

[Cecilie1200]

Biologically yes
Sexuality is more complicated

No really.....you can be a guy and like guys, or a female and like females sexually....we call that homosexuality

Nary does that matter, there are two sexes. Who cares what deluded people think the are.

and why do you care if a guy thinks he is a girl and plays chop chop with his dick? WTF is it to you?

Certainly doesn't matter to me...not one bit.....but there are still only two sexes, cutting your penis off, doesn't change your gender...just makes you dickless

Good, you like, me could care less as long as they don't participate in girls/women's sport.

They can pee wherever they want. Please confirm. Thanks.

Yes, I agree with your first point....I'm fine if they want to create their own division, or even play male sports...but it's horribly unfair to women, to allow men, even dressed as women, to compete against them.

As an adult, I don't care. Certainly wouldn't bother me if a female, that IDs as a man uses the same bathroom I do.

I do think there is some issues when dealing with children though....same with school locker rooms.

And what about women? Have you decided that there's no issue where women are concerned, because they shouldn't be bothered by something if you aren't bothered by its reverse?

I am not a woman, so I don't know their concerns....I am sure they have them....I was just speaking about my personal views

And I'm suggesting that your personal views on an issue that is primarily affecting women might need to be informed by the effect on women.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Seriously, the hysteria of the left right now is absolutely insane.

Okay, we know of the two biological sexes, male and female. While there are genetic disorders that give people traits of both, those genetic disorders are extremely rare, and even when they do happen the person exhibits the traits of one sex much more predominantly than the other. The idea of a “hermaphrodite” is almost a myth, there really is no genetic disorder that allows for fully functional sex organs of both sexes. Besides, according to these “trans” advocates, gender is different than biological sex.

So we aren’t talking about people with some rare genetic disorder, as some have now started to move the goalposts and have been bringing them up. This is about “gender”.

These trans activists are claiming that a male can “be a woman” just by self identifying as one. Sure, they have the right to self identify all they want, but that doesn’t make their fantasy a reality, nor does or should society have to accept it.

For example, a male that pretends to be a female is still a man. He’s a cross dressing man.

A male that undergoes some “sex change” surgery is still a man and a male. His chromosomes do not change, they are still XY.

Same of course goes with females pretending to be men. Their biological sex does not change, so neither does their gender.


For those screaming in horror about the simple statement “there are TWO genders, men and women”, what are the other genders? Please provide specific examples.

This is Clean Debate Zone. Please keep the childish insults to yourself, and provide a clear and concise response.

You seem to admit that there are more than 2 when you mention rare disorders but do not want to discuss how it affects your point of that there can only be 2.

Intersex happens and they do not fit into neat category of male and female. You could say that it is a 3rd gender as it is not gender 1 or 2

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Male or Female ?

Sorry, but the existence of anomalous birth defects does not constitute a complete, separate gender. That is not how the science of biology works.

Sex chromosomes are the biological definition of male or female.
Intersex conditions, also known as disorders of sex development (DSD), occur when infants are born with a mix of male and female genitalia. Yes there could be other reasons

true gonadal DSD or ovotesticular DSD—the person has both testicular and ovarian tissue. The tissue may appear as a separate ovary and testis, or show up within the same gonad (called an ovotestis).

The external genitals can appear as male, female, or ambiguous

also in the animal kingdom a couple of species can change sex based on biological definitions of sex

I have to respectively reiterate that those anomalies have nothing whatsoever to do with this topic.

Also, what other species can and can't do has nothing to do with humans.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If this law will allow this only to transsexual people, then I would support it.

Transsexual, transgender.

Its all the same to me

A person who dresses and behaves like the opposite biological sex is a transgender person.

A person who not only dresses and behaves like the opposite biological sex but has also underwent a surgical procedure and hormonal treatment is a transsexual person.

I hope you're aware that no one is going to accept your arbitrary definitions just because you say so. Hell, we don't accept the left's arbitrary language changes, so no reason we should make an exception for you.

A person who accepts their biological sex, but just enjoys dressing like the opposite sex, is a cross-dresser. Archaically, they were known as transvestites. A person who identifies as the opposite sex - or, as I usually put it, playacts being the opposite sex - is transgender, whether they've undergone medical procedures toward that goal or not.

There frankly is no purpose in trying to introduce new distinctions, and it certainly doesn't help communication in the slightest.

I couldn't care less what you accept or not. 'Transsexual' is a quite known term. You can deny the reality whenever you wish.

Have a nice day.

And I couldn't care less what you care about. "Transsexual" is an essentially meaningless term, because it's not in use. And when it was in use, it didn't mean what you have decided it's going to mean. So YOU can deny the reality that you aren't going to barge in here and start dictating terminology, if that's your little red wagon, but what you're going to find is that everyone is going to ignore your attempts at control, continue using and defining terms as they already do, and increasingly start ignoring you when your nonsense makes your posts too uncommunicative to be worth our time, and drags conversation down utterly pointless tangents.

If you dont see the difference between a man wearing women's clothing and a man having his some organs "cut' and underwent a hormonal treatment, then it is your right to stay on this level of ignorance.

And stop talking on behalf of 'everyone', 'all' and similar things. People who do this look quite pathetic.

I didn't say there wasn't a difference. I said it's irrelevant.

And I wish you a great deal of luck proving that you are singlehandedly going to change the language to suit your personal hobby horse.

 

[Blues Man]

That is a religious connotation and the state has no business dealing with that.

But it does deal with marriage as more than a property contract because of the children involved

the state merely seeks to codify what already existed

The care of minor children in the event of the dissolution of a marriage is not codified in any marriage contract but is rather negotiated by divorce lawyers within the bounds of the state laws on the matter or set by a judge after a hearing.

All the ramifications of a civil marriage are matters of law and as such no 2 consenting adults should be barred from a civil marriage.

What a religion sets as its own rules is irrelevant as far as the state is concerned.

 

[Mac-7]

What a religion sets as its own rules is irrelevant as far as the state is concerned.

Rules that the state adopts are not irrelevant to the society within which the state operates

the state exists to serve the people not the other way around

 

[Blues Man]

What a religion sets as its own rules is irrelevant as far as the state is concerned.

Rules that the state adopts are not irrelevant to the society within which the state operates

the state exists to serve the people not the other way around

The state has no obligation to incorporate religious dogma into its laws.

In fact I don't understand why the state allows a clergy person any power in matters of law.

A marriage performed by any clergy should not be recognized as legal by the state.

 

[Mac-7]

The state has no obligation to incorporate religious dogma into its laws.

What religious dogma?

 

[Blues Man]

The state has no obligation to incorporate religious dogma into its laws.

What religious dogma?

All the god stuff is religious dogma.

 

[Mac-7]

All the god stuff is religious dogma.

What God stuff?

 

[Mac-7]

Since you are just dancing around the question let me offer an answer for you

you think limiting marriage to one man and one woman is “God stuff”

 

[Blues Man]

All the god stuff is religious dogma.

What God stuff?

What god has joined let no man blah blah blah

 

[Blues Man]

Since you are just dancing around the question let me offer an answer for you

you think limiting marriage to one man and one woman is “God stuff”

Since same sex marriages are legal in most states the whole one man one woman requirement is becoming a thing of the past.

 

[Mac-7]

Since same sex marriages are legal in most states the whole one man one woman requirement is becoming a thing of the past.

Unfortunately thats true

now that that battle has been won heddonists can move on to legalizing sex with animals and children

Both of which are long held taboos held by society that libs must breech

 

[Blues Man]

Since same sex marriages are legal in most states the whole one man one woman requirement is becoming a thing of the past.

Unfortunately thats true

now that that battle has been won heddonists can move on to legalizing sex with animals and children

Both of which are long held taboos held by society that libs must breech

Ludicrous.

 

[Mac-7]

Ludicrous

Its very predictable if you know how the liberal mind works

they are the social pioneers of modern America

of course liberal social warriors more closely resemble the Conquistadores who plundered Mexico than the Pilgrims

but thats just my opinion

 

[BrokeLoser]

Seriously, the hysteria of the left right now is absolutely insane.

Okay, we know of the two biological sexes, male and female. While there are genetic disorders that give people traits of both, those genetic disorders are extremely rare, and even when they do happen the person exhibits the traits of one sex much more predominantly than the other. The idea of a “hermaphrodite” is almost a myth, there really is no genetic disorder that allows for fully functional sex organs of both sexes. Besides, according to these “trans” advocates, gender is different than biological sex.

So we aren’t talking about people with some rare genetic disorder, as some have now started to move the goalposts and have been bringing them up. This is about “gender”.

These trans activists are claiming that a male can “be a woman” just by self identifying as one. Sure, they have the right to self identify all they want, but that doesn’t make their fantasy a reality, nor does or should society have to accept it.

For example, a male that pretends to be a female is still a man. He’s a cross dressing man.

A male that undergoes some “sex change” surgery is still a man and a male. His chromosomes do not change, they are still XY.

Same of course goes with females pretending to be men. Their biological sex does not change, so neither does their gender.


For those screaming in horror about the simple statement “there are TWO genders, men and women”, what are the other genders? Please provide specific examples.

This is Clean Debate Zone. Please keep the childish insults to yourself, and provide a clear and concise response.

You seem to admit that there are more than 2 when you mention rare disorders but do not want to discuss how it affects your point of that there can only be 2.

Intersex happens and they do not fit into neat category of male and female. You could say that it is a 3rd gender as it is not gender 1 or 2

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Male or Female ?

Sorry, but the existence of anomalous birth defects does not constitute a complete, separate gender. That is not how the science of biology works.

You do realize that gender and biological sex are two different things, right?

They are linked. A biological male cannot be a girl or woman.

A biological male can be a trans female. Sorry, but that is a gender and it is a gender identity that people have

Where does it stop?

Where it stops nobody knows

Why the fascination with manifesting and or fostering an anything goes, no boundaries type of society?

Cause I’m a liberal man. I am drawn to life liberty and love for all!

The real liberals I know always put the state of the nation before their personal FEELZ...weird that you don’t.

 

[Blues Man]

Ludicrous

Its very predictable if you know how the liberal mind works

No that's you being ridiculous. No one is trying to legalize bestiality or child rape.

 

[Slade3200]

Do you agree that’s how it should be done?

No I dont agree

particularly for massive and controversial social change such as abortion or gay/trans rights

Ok good. So how do you think changes to norms should be done? Who decides and what’s the process?