Theories on how to efficiently run an economy

[psikeyhackr]

You can't just "run" an economy. You have to allow it to expand.

How do you know? Could the US have had a 3-day work week by 1990 by eliminating Planned Obsolescence.

When have we had a planet with 7 billion people before? But we are supposed to "run" it with 19th century ideas, be they Capitalist or Socialist?

psik

Not sure what you're talking about?

You can't just regulate an economy so that everything is "fair" in your mind.

Who the fuck are you? Your mind is up your ass. Me keeping %100 of my shit is fair, how about that? It's my shit, do I walk around complaining that government isn't taking your shit?

Who the fuck does anyone think they are when they complain that someone else has too much shit and should be giving it to someone like them, or someone they pretend to care about?

Who said anything about taking your "shit", whatever it is?

What is "grow" on a finite planet with 7 billion people when we don't keep track of the stuff we destroy and make things to fall apart?

psik

 

[Rshermr]

Really, before you start to speak, It would be smart to learn the difference between marxism and socialism. And the difference between socialists and social democrats. That would make you sound less stupid.

Get your head out of your ass, you'll be able to hear much better.


Ah. So you are as stupid as I thought. Thought that trying to learn something would be good for you. Just trying to help. But as usual, you can not help a seriously stupid person. The stupid closns enjoy being ignorant.
So, though you did not answer, are you a Libertarian?? Or are you looking that word up to see what it means.

 

[phoenyx]

I understand that you still haven't answered my question.

Ive read the communist manifesto and observed that it starved 120 million to death?

I'm happy for you. Really I am. Still waiting for you to answer my question -.-...

what question?

Whether you've actually seen the documentary video in the opening post of this thread.

and if I saw it then what???????????????????

It would show me that you're actually interested in listening to my point of view instead of just going off about your own.

 

[phoenyx]

what people here think of Bernie's policy platform.

he's a stupid communist.

Do you -really- believe that communists are hiding everywhere, as Rshermr suggests?

 

[phoenyx]

You can't just "run" an economy. You have to allow it to expand.

Giving political whores the authority to write obscure regulations that are so over lapping, redundant and even contradicts itself any large company has to pay lawyers to comb new regulations and attempt to interpret it. It's a giant inbred goat fuck.

Then you get pissed off when corporations buy off political whores, unless the whore was pushing utopian bilge.

Bernie may be a true believer in marxist fairy tales, but he can't possibly true to himself and his supporters by capitulating to the democrook regime.

You're certainly entitled to your view. I'm not American, but if I were, I'm pretty sure I'd vote Green party. Bernie can say whatever he likes about Hillary, but I can't stomach her. Anyway, assuming you're American, what candidate will you be voting for? Also, did you see the documentary in the opening post? I promise it doesn't mention Bernie, Hillary or even Obama once (it was made before he became president).

 

[Pete7469]

Ah. So you are as stupid as I thought. Thought that trying to learn something would be good for you. Just trying to help. But as usual, you can not help a seriously stupid person. The stupid closns enjoy being ignorant.
So, though you did not answer, are you a Libertarian?? Or are you looking that word up to see what it means.

LOL..

You...

Thought...

Everything you have to regurgitate is drivel I've heard before. Lefturds are all the same. Mindless drones who insist people with common sense enough to reject collectivism are somehow less intelligent because they don't subscribe to moonbat history revisionism.

 

[Rshermr]

A long, well thought out review of Klein's Disaster Capitalism book, and this is all I get for a response -.-? This just isn't worth my time...

translation: All I can do is parrot a stupid communist!! If its well thought why not give us the best thought in it/?????? Surely there is one that you can defend??

Translation: As a well known con troll, I do not believe in rational conversation, truth, proof of fact, impartial sources, or any of that stuff. I just believe in bat shit crazy con web sites, con talking points, Fox, and nut case crazy con created viral emails. Because as a con troll, there is nothing I can do about thinking rationally, and no way I can have a rational conversation.

 

[phoenyx]

A long, well thought out review of Klein's Disaster Capitalism book, and this is all I get for a response -.-? This just isn't worth my time...

translation: All I can do is parrot a stupid communist!! If its well thought why not give us the best thought in it/?????? Surely there is one that you can defend??

Translation: As a well known con troll, I do not believe in rational conversation, truth, proof of fact, impartial sources, or any of that stuff. I just believe in bat shit crazy con web sites, con talking points, Fox, and nut case crazy con created viral emails. Because as a con troll, there is nothing I can do about thinking rationally, and no way I can have a rational conversation.

Come on Rshermr, don't sink to this level of discussion. Ironically, you are slipping into repeating points at your opponents, just as they are doing. You even responded to this post from Ed before, back in post #381, saying pretty much the same thing. There is an old saying, perhaps most famously said in a certain Bambi scene: "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all". I think that's a bit extreme, but there should definitely be a clause in any sensible rules of debate that if the discussion has devolved into a flame war, it's time to end it. Nothing productive can be done in a flame war, and it tends to turn off anyone who is actually interested in discussing the issues seriously (the kind that don't shy away from a small documentary or reading an article or 2).

 

[sjay]

do you have any idea at all what your point is?

Accounting is not mandatory in our high schools. I do not even know if my school had accounting courses when I was there. They gave us tests and put me into what they called "College Prep". I got 4 years of math but not accounting. I understood what Net Worth was when I graduated but how many high school students do today? How many since 1960?

Now if a person is computing their Net Worth they must compute the depreciation of their durable consumer goods assets to get the calculation accurate. How much value does a $30,000 car lose in 3 years? The automobile is commonly the largest depreciating item unless their house is losing value in which case they are in trouble anyway. Now do cars lose value rapidly because of Planned Obsolescence? There were 200,000,000 cars in the US in 1995 and the world passed One Billion cars in 2010. At $1,500 of depreciation per car per year that would be $300,000,000,000 per year for the United States alone. A bit much for the entire economics profession to not mention every year, don't you think?

Now I realize that I am relating a lot of simple concepts that add up to a more complex bigger picture, but do try to keep up.

psik

Accounting is not the end all and be all,what you really need is common sense and some discipline. When you enter the workforce you live below your means for a couple years and become master of interest rates instead of a slave to interest rates by living above your means.95% of the time that determines the economic situation for the rest of your life.Unless your starting salary is high enough,that means no kids, no car, no party time ,minimal clothes until you establish a financial base i've lived the sixty years of my life in new york and chicago and that simple formula still works.I see it all the time with european and asian immigrants. But it takes common sense and DISCIPLINE that evidently a lot of people can;t handle,TOO BAD

 

[psikeyhackr]

Accounting is not the end all and be all,what you really need is common sense and some discipline. When you enter the workforce you live below your means for a couple years and become master of interest rates instead of a slave to interest rates by living above your means.95% of the time that determines the economic situation for the rest of your life.Unless your starting salary is high enough,that means no kids, no car, no party time ,minimal clothes until you establish a financial base i've lived the sixty years of my life in new york and chicago and that simple formula still works.I see it all the time with european and asian immigrants. But it takes common sense and DISCIPLINE that evidently a lot of people can;t handle,TOO BAD

Right, accounting would not help in comprehending the need for discipline.

But then economists don't have the discipline to compute Demand Side Depreciation. There were 200,000,000 cars in the US in 1995. So what was the depreciation on all of those cars? Wouldn't people who understood accounting easily comprehend that economists were doing something wrong?

So with One Billion cars on the planet now aren't even the people who think they are disciplined going to ultimately be screwed. This society just brainwashes everyone into tinking in terms of individual competition. But with SEVEN BILLION people on the planet the scale of the problem changes.

psik

 

[phoenyx]

Accounting is not the end all and be all,what you really need is common sense and some discipline. When you enter the workforce you live below your means for a couple years and become master of interest rates instead of a slave to interest rates by living above your means.95% of the time that determines the economic situation for the rest of your life.Unless your starting salary is high enough,that means no kids, no car, no party time ,minimal clothes until you establish a financial base i've lived the sixty years of my life in new york and chicago and that simple formula still works.I see it all the time with european and asian immigrants. But it takes common sense and DISCIPLINE that evidently a lot of people can;t handle,TOO BAD

Right, accounting would not help in comprehending the need for discipline.

But then economists don't have the discipline to compute Demand Side Depreciation. There were 200,000,000 cars in the US in 1995. So what was the depreciation on all of those cars? Wouldn't people who understood accounting easily comprehend that economists were doing something wrong?

So with One Billion cars on the planet now aren't even the people who think they are disciplined going to ultimately be screwed. This society just brainwashes everyone into tinking in terms of individual competition. But with SEVEN BILLION people on the planet the scale of the problem changes.

psik

I think our society focuses far too much on competition and far too little on cooperation. Competition has its place, but I see that place as primarily in the area of ideas. Some ideas are simply better then others. Good ideas should be praised. Ideas that are not so good should go away. Slavery, for instance (despite what some think, it's still alive and well- forced labour -is- slavery, and is practiced in many U.S. prisons today). But the idea that some people should starve while others have multiple homes is criminal.

 

[phoenyx]

do you have any idea at all what your point is?

Accounting is not mandatory in our high schools. I do not even know if my school had accounting courses when I was there. They gave us tests and put me into what they called "College Prep". I got 4 years of math but not accounting. I understood what Net Worth was when I graduated but how many high school students do today? How many since 1960?

Now if a person is computing their Net Worth they must compute the depreciation of their durable consumer goods assets to get the calculation accurate. How much value does a $30,000 car lose in 3 years? The automobile is commonly the largest depreciating item unless their house is losing value in which case they are in trouble anyway. Now do cars lose value rapidly because of Planned Obsolescence? There were 200,000,000 cars in the US in 1995 and the world passed One Billion cars in 2010. At $1,500 of depreciation per car per year that would be $300,000,000,000 per year for the United States alone. A bit much for the entire economics profession to not mention every year, don't you think?

Now I realize that I am relating a lot of simple concepts that add up to a more complex bigger picture, but do try to keep up.

psik

Accounting is not the end all and be all,what you really need is common sense and some discipline. When you enter the workforce you live below your means for a couple years and become master of interest rates instead of a slave to interest rates by living above your means.95% of the time that determines the economic situation for the rest of your life.Unless your starting salary is high enough,that means no kids, no car, no party time ,minimal clothes until you establish a financial base i've lived the sixty years of my life in new york and chicago and that simple formula still works.I see it all the time with european and asian immigrants. But it takes common sense and DISCIPLINE that evidently a lot of people can;t handle,TOO BAD

Would you agree that everyone is driven by 2 things- maximizing their happiness and minimizing their unhappiness?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. But the idea that some people should starve while others have multiple homes is criminal.

a liberal is anti-science, and anti reason so does not believe in evolution and in effect seeks to reverse evolution with his pure ignorance.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I think our society focuses far too much on competition and far too little on cooperation. .

absurd since we have capitalism. When you join a corporation you must cooperate with the team to survive. The corporation is not competing with its customers but rather trying to please them or cooperate with them in order to survive. 1+1=2

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If accounting had been mandatory in US schools since about 1960 wouldn't it still be Capitalism?

yes it would still be capitalism or mixed to be more accurate but do you have any idea at all what point you are trying to make???????

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

But I think we might be able to get a lot of young kids pissed off if we explain the possibilities to them.

space cadet?????? what possibilities??

 

[Rshermr]

do you have any idea at all what your point is?

Accounting is not mandatory in our high schools. I do not even know if my school had accounting courses when I was there. They gave us tests and put me into what they called "College Prep". I got 4 years of math but not accounting. I understood what Net Worth was when I graduated but how many high school students do today? How many since 1960?

Now if a person is computing their Net Worth they must compute the depreciation of their durable consumer goods assets to get the calculation accurate. How much value does a $30,000 car lose in 3 years? The automobile is commonly the largest depreciating item unless their house is losing value in which case they are in trouble anyway. Now do cars lose value rapidly because of Planned Obsolescence? There were 200,000,000 cars in the US in 1995 and the world passed One Billion cars in 2010. At $1,500 of depreciation per car per year that would be $300,000,000,000 per year for the United States alone. A bit much for the entire economics profession to not mention every year, don't you think?

Now I realize that I am relating a lot of simple concepts that add up to a more complex bigger picture, but do try to keep up.

psik

Accounting is not the end all and be all,what you really need is common sense and some discipline. When you enter the workforce you live below your means for a couple years and become master of interest rates instead of a slave to interest rates by living above your means.95% of the time that determines the economic situation for the rest of your life.Unless your starting salary is high enough,that means no kids, no car, no party time ,minimal clothes until you establish a financial base i've lived the sixty years of my life in new york and chicago and that simple formula still works.I see it all the time with european and asian immigrants. But it takes common sense and DISCIPLINE that evidently a lot of people can;t handle,TOO BAD

Would you agree that everyone is driven by 2 things- maximizing their happiness and minimizing their unhappiness?

So that is a starting point, way back in third grade for most. Normal folks assume that. It is the very basic concept that those with the power in our world work, to cause the population to do what they want them to. So, if you are a libertarian, you convince people that what they want is money. and belonging. Bucks and stuff. And that is what you are to believe will maximize your happiness. Lack thereof will maximize your unhappiness. So, that is the basic precept that works for politicians, wealthy capitalists, politicians, and others with the authority to use that concept.
In fact, if you were not too smart, that would be all you would need. But we are all different in our ability to understand what maximizing happiness requires. Those with economic power and resources work to make themselves more wealthy and powerful. And there, for this forum, is where the rubber meats the road.
The politicians and powerful corporatists want more power and wealth. And power and wealth gives them the ability to convince the sheep that doing and believing in a certain way will provide them with happiness. And, being sheep, they believe, and act as told. The circle is then complete. Sheep work to provide the powerful with more money and power, and the sheep get told they are good sheep, and deserve a couple bucks which they are taught to believe will bring them happiness. And the beat goes on.
That, in fact, sumarises the USA. Other countries provide for the needs and wants of the population, In the USA, we are in the business of chasing dollars and making the rich and powerfull more so

 

[psikeyhackr]

I think our society focuses far too much on competition and far too little on cooperation. .

absurd since we have capitalism. When you join a corporation you must cooperate with the team to survive. The corporation is not competing with its customers but rather trying to please them or cooperate with them in order to survive. 1+1=2

I worked for IBM. They introduced the Datamaster 23 to replace the 5100. They never said anything about benchmarks. I wrote to programs to test them myself. The 5100 was almost twice as fast as the Datamaster 23.

They also never mentioned John von Neumann who they hired as a consultant in 1952. I learned more from building my own computer than from being sent to IBM classes. The system is about hiding information from the pawns.

psik

 

[psikeyhackr]

If accounting had been mandatory in US schools since about 1960 wouldn't it still be Capitalism?

yes it would still be capitalism or mixed to be more accurate but do you have any idea at all what point you are trying to make???????

That we are dealing with economic game thwory where the smart people want the dumb people kept ignorant.

An accountant told me that he did not object to the idea of mandatory accounting as long as it was not done until after he retired in six years. ROFL

psik

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

That we are dealing with economic game thwory where the smart people want the dumb people kept ignorant.

this is space cadet gibberish can you explain what you mean??????