I haven't expressed any belief on them. In fact, I specifically seperate them out from the Republicans. They are, however, a predominantly rightwing group and that is based on the stances they take, not "talking points".
Of course you have. And at the bottom of this post made by you, you claim they are in the GOP camp. But they are a hemogenous group of people from all parties and all walks of life. The reason you associate them with the GOP at all is because some people in the GOP and quite a few conservatives on this forum speak in the same terms they do. That government is intended to be limited. That government by Constitution is limited in power. That government is to be reigned in and given only that level of power needed to keep us safe.
Where do I claim they are in the GoP camp? I said they are a predominantly rightwing group. If they aren't -
show me which of their positions are not rightwing. Not all GoP is rightwing and not all rightwing is GoP (same with Liberal/Democrat).
Or, maybe it's because I said this: The self-appointed spokesmen for "the people" appear to be the Tea Party Movement and, as part of a new chapter in rightwing talking points - the GoP.
If that is it, then it's the lousy sentance structure that is confusing the meaning because I was referring the the Tea Party Movement (as one unit) and referring to the GoP as being part of a new chapter in rightwing talking points - as another unit.
Well duh....I'm trying to MAKE a point aren't I? So naturally I will choose evidence to prove my point. That's the whole point of a debate, yes?
For the record, my methedology (such as it was) consisted of a google search with the just the words "public option" and "poll" and the picked the first handful of polls that showed any sort of legitimacy (ie not a My Quiz facebook poll). Pew, I might add - is a pretty respected non-partisan polling source and I specifically searched for Pew data when precisely for that reason. If you are disatisfied with the polls I chose- feel free to add more data that counters them. Thus far the only polling source has been presented that contradicts the multiple sources I submitted is Rassmussen.
Honest individuals who wish to make a point do so with ALL available information. Not just the information that they agree with.
Wrong. Honest individuals look at the available data and draw a conclusion based upon it and then present that conclusion with the supporting data. It is then up to others to refute it with their own data. It is not up to me to present data from both sides and argue both sides unless I wish to. And I don't.
They also don't just shrug off another persons evidence as "I don't put much credence in GOP polls".
You totally missed that one too. The data in the GoP poll was a GoP poll I presented in mny own argument (not some other person). In addition, that particular data supported my position. Lastly - you ignored the part where I said I don't place much credence in Democratic polls either.
Unless of course you are equally willing to be dismissed. After all, why should we put any credence in Democrat polls when it has been shown that polls favoring Democrats are worded so that they do.
Of course. But then, I already said that.
For the record, that google search of "Public Option" + Poll returns 1,440,000 hits. Did you go though and read each one?
Did I say I did? No. I said this: ..a google search with the just the words "public option" and "poll" and
picked the first handful of polls that showed any sort of legitimacy
Do I need to go through 1,440,000 frigging pages to find enough data to argue my point? No. I found enough from enough of a variety of sources to draw my conclusions. It is not
my job to find data to support the refuting point of view. That is
your job.
If I wanted to debate myself, I wouldn't be on this messageboard, I'd be in a padded cell somewhere.....
Did you discard those which did not agree with what you want to believe? Did you only chose those what mirrored your own world belief?
Nope. I found the majority agreed with the point I was making. Now are you going to refute it with data or continue to complain about my motivations?
You see the problem I have with your polls or for that matter with any poll. As for PEW....well, they are notably slanted Democrat. I don't trust the alleged objective opinion of someone from the left. Those people seem to think that CNN, NBC, CBS UPI, AP and the New York Times are objective reporting agencies.
From the sound of it, you are pretty much labeling most polls as "left". If I was of a suspicious frame of mind, I would think you would only accept data that agreed with your own "world view". But, I did throw in the GoP poll, which can hardly be accused of being "left" and it supported my conclusions too.
So which is it? Do you want health care because it is a progressive plan, regardless of what the people wantnt or is it a ******* crisis?
Regardless of what the people want....good point.
So why aren't you out there rallying support for a public option?
