The way to keep burkini's off the beaches

[StLucieBengal]

"Women are being dictated to and squeezed from all sides. Beyond the strictures of social norms — and they are powerful in many countries — the use of the tools of government to enforce dress codes and standards of appearance is becoming increasingly prevalent in countries where the men in power see their domination and sense of national identity slipping away. And this is true for the secular left as much as the religious right."



Burkini Wars Show What’s Wrong With the Religious Right — and Secular Left

I do not think there is any clear winner in this contest.

There is no need for a burka or Burkini.

It's not flattering and really the only reason it's worn is because Islamic men do not have any self control to not rape women.

its Islamic men that must change not the women. Poor women have to dress ridiculously or be raped and assaulted. Which is Precisely why I would never let any Islamic boy near my daughters.

From a fashion standpoint the burka and burkini are bullshit.

From a humanitarian standpoint the burka and burkini are bullshit

From a religious standpoint the burka and burkini are bullshit

Bullshit sure is gettin' spread around!!! But remember; it .....



It was invented in Western Sydney. I see the burkini as a transition garment. Some are quite cute.

Greg

Why do you see it as a transition garment? Is there any evidence of this?
Also, a few days ago I read an article by a Muslim woman who said the burqini garment was worn in Egypt before the name was trademarked by a Muslim woman in Australia.

It's not a full burka. I think as a change to something that's less rigid as is a burka then it's a positive development. Plus it's not been artound long. See how far the humble bikini has changed over the years; some are downright pornographic now.

I think the hat thingy needs a lot of work.

Greg

The head piece on all these aren't necessary.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Just send them to coyote's modest swimwear shops. According to her they are the same.... So they don't need the burka or Burkini.

This doesn't address my post. The fact that they actually have swimwear means they are coming along. Why ruin that? Besides, I don't know how they do things in France, but America is a free country. Yes, some women would choose to wear them at the beach. They really don't look much different than a wet suit.

So why don't they just wear a wetsuit?

This has been my whole argument.... We already have several alternatives so we don't need promote some new garmet.

Because they want something a little more feminine, I guess. There are always "new garments." Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill, seriously. What must it be like to be so worried about what other people are wearing?

I don't care if others want to live a subservient life. But I don't want to live in a place where my daughters grow up thinking this is how anyone is supposed to or should live.

I think Muslim women are getting over the "Males Matter" crap. Especially the more they interact with the West. Not that there's anything wrong with modesty.

Greg

Doesn't matter. I don't think we need to be a place that allows women to be oppressed. The only thing anyone should feel for a Muslim woman is The same way we see victims of domestic violence.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Still doing beachware huh?

Lemme show you how terribly misogynistic it is to require women to cover up when enjoying the waves.

No that is not a seal escaping a Great White.... That's an American girl liberating herself from the bondage of being fully clothed at the beach...

So why aren't the Muslims just wearing these? Oh that's right they can't it's too tight ..... By wearing this they put themselves at risk for a beating, rape, or honour killing.

 

[flacaltenn]

Still doing beachware huh?

Lemme show you how terribly misogynistic it is to require women to cover up when enjoying the waves.

No that is not a seal escaping a Great White.... That's an American girl liberating herself from the bondage of being fully clothed at the beach...

So why aren't the Muslims just wearing these? Oh that's right they can't it's too tight ..... By wearing this they put themselves at risk for a beating, rape, or honour killing.

Not in a truly free country they don't. It's hard to FORCE immodesty on women. And it's actually ugly. Best to assure them they WILL BE PROTECTED in those choices according to the EXISTING law. That's what adaptation needs to be. If only ONE person is happy with freedom and choices in a marriage or a family, then maybe some independence should be declared.

Especially if they see that their RELIGION will support them in any non-legal abusive situation. And westernized Muslim practices are NOT offensive or even odd. It's the CULTURE that has to be shed.

 

[ChrisL]

Still doing beachware huh?

Lemme show you how terribly misogynistic it is to require women to cover up when enjoying the waves.

No that is not a seal escaping a Great White.... That's an American girl liberating herself from the bondage of being fully clothed at the beach...

So why aren't the Muslims just wearing these? Oh that's right they can't it's too tight ..... By wearing this they put themselves at risk for a beating, rape, or honour killing.

Not in a truly free country they don't. It's hard to FORCE immodesty on women. And it's actually ugly. Best to assure them they WILL BE PROTECTED in those choices according to the EXISTING law. That's what adaptation needs to be. If only ONE person is happy with freedom and choices in a marriage or a family, then maybe some independence should be declared.

Especially if they see that their RELIGION will support them in any non-legal abusive situation. And westernized Muslim practices are NOT offensive or even odd. It's the CULTURE that has to be shed.

Well, one could say that the religion is definitely a part of the culture.

 

[flacaltenn]

Still doing beachware huh?

Lemme show you how terribly misogynistic it is to require women to cover up when enjoying the waves.

No that is not a seal escaping a Great White.... That's an American girl liberating herself from the bondage of being fully clothed at the beach...

So why aren't the Muslims just wearing these? Oh that's right they can't it's too tight ..... By wearing this they put themselves at risk for a beating, rape, or honour killing.

Not in a truly free country they don't. It's hard to FORCE immodesty on women. And it's actually ugly. Best to assure them they WILL BE PROTECTED in those choices according to the EXISTING law. That's what adaptation needs to be. If only ONE person is happy with freedom and choices in a marriage or a family, then maybe some independence should be declared.

Especially if they see that their RELIGION will support them in any non-legal abusive situation. And westernized Muslim practices are NOT offensive or even odd. It's the CULTURE that has to be shed.

Well, one could say that the religion is definitely a part of the culture.

The religion is the portable part. The culture - especially the LEGAL side of it and the INTOLERANCE - should never be ported..

No one gets accosted in a US mosque for how they live outside the mosque. They might be "lectured" and "encouraged" to maintain orthodoxy --- but there is literally no means to enforce it --- if you don't allow a parallel legal system to develop. And if you make sure that everyone knows --- abuse and physical harm will not be tolerated.

 

[ChrisL]

Still doing beachware huh?

Lemme show you how terribly misogynistic it is to require women to cover up when enjoying the waves.

No that is not a seal escaping a Great White.... That's an American girl liberating herself from the bondage of being fully clothed at the beach...

So why aren't the Muslims just wearing these? Oh that's right they can't it's too tight ..... By wearing this they put themselves at risk for a beating, rape, or honour killing.

Not in a truly free country they don't. It's hard to FORCE immodesty on women. And it's actually ugly. Best to assure them they WILL BE PROTECTED in those choices according to the EXISTING law. That's what adaptation needs to be. If only ONE person is happy with freedom and choices in a marriage or a family, then maybe some independence should be declared.

Especially if they see that their RELIGION will support them in any non-legal abusive situation. And westernized Muslim practices are NOT offensive or even odd. It's the CULTURE that has to be shed.

The religion is the portable part. The culture - especially the LEGAL side of it and the INTOLERANCE - should never be ported..

No one gets accosted in a US mosque for how they live outside the mosque. They might be "lectured" and "encouraged" to maintain orthodoxy --- but there is literally no means to enforce it --- if you don't allow a parallel legal system to develop. And if you make sure that everyone knows --- abuse and physical harm will not be tolerated.

Well, part of religion IS intolerance if you think about it.

 

[ChrisL]

^^^

Sorry, I don't know what happened there in that post. I said I think intolerance is kind of a part of religious belief systems.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Still doing beachware huh?

Lemme show you how terribly misogynistic it is to require women to cover up when enjoying the waves.

No that is not a seal escaping a Great White.... That's an American girl liberating herself from the bondage of being fully clothed at the beach...

So why aren't the Muslims just wearing these? Oh that's right they can't it's too tight ..... By wearing this they put themselves at risk for a beating, rape, or honour killing.

Not in a truly free country they don't. It's hard to FORCE immodesty on women. And it's actually ugly. Best to assure them they WILL BE PROTECTED in those choices according to the EXISTING law. That's what adaptation needs to be. If only ONE person is happy with freedom and choices in a marriage or a family, then maybe some independence should be declared.

Especially if they see that their RELIGION will support them in any non-legal abusive situation. And westernized Muslim practices are NOT offensive or even odd. It's the CULTURE that has to be shed.

Well, one could say that the religion is definitely a part of the culture.

The religion is the portable part. The culture - especially the LEGAL side of it and the INTOLERANCE - should never be ported..

No one gets accosted in a US mosque for how they live outside the mosque. They might be "lectured" and "encouraged" to maintain orthodoxy --- but there is literally no means to enforce it --- if you don't allow a parallel legal system to develop. And if you make sure that everyone knows --- abuse and physical harm will not be tolerated.

Then why were the Muslims pushing for sharia panels in Dallas and other parts of the country?

This is why we need to stop acting like these people are just wonderful.

 

[Mindful]

We hereby mandate all men wear speedos on the beach.

Lol!

You call that a budgie smuggler???

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Now THAT's a budgie smuggler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No: not me!! a guy called "wobbly" maybe....

Greg

lol

 

[gtopa1]

Still doing beachware huh?

Lemme show you how terribly misogynistic it is to require women to cover up when enjoying the waves.

No that is not a seal escaping a Great White.... That's an American girl liberating herself from the bondage of being fully clothed at the beach...

So why aren't the Muslims just wearing these? Oh that's right they can't it's too tight ..... By wearing this they put themselves at risk for a beating, rape, or honour killing.

Not in a truly free country they don't. It's hard to FORCE immodesty on women. And it's actually ugly. Best to assure them they WILL BE PROTECTED in those choices according to the EXISTING law. That's what adaptation needs to be. If only ONE person is happy with freedom and choices in a marriage or a family, then maybe some independence should be declared.

Especially if they see that their RELIGION will support them in any non-legal abusive situation. And westernized Muslim practices are NOT offensive or even odd. It's the CULTURE that has to be shed.

Well, one could say that the religion is definitely a part of the culture.

The religion is the portable part. The culture - especially the LEGAL side of it and the INTOLERANCE - should never be ported..

No one gets accosted in a US mosque for how they live outside the mosque. They might be "lectured" and "encouraged" to maintain orthodoxy --- but there is literally no means to enforce it --- if you don't allow a parallel legal system to develop. And if you make sure that everyone knows --- abuse and physical harm will not be tolerated.

Then why were the Muslims pushing for sharia panels in Dallas and other parts of the country?

This is why we need to stop acting like these people are just wonderful.

Who says they're wonderful?? There are different issues at stake. If there is coercion and violence then there are already Laws to deal with that, They're called "assault" among other things. And you should see aspects of the Family Law act that are over here, and I'm sure also in the States. Flaca's quite right. Mussie bloke need to be aware that what might be "covered up" by resorting to some bullshit from a freak Imam is NOT acceptable if it is against the Law of the Land. Spousal abuse is already against the Law.

Greg

 

[Mindful]

Wet suits, burkinis, etc, are considered to be unhygienic, particularly in communal swimming pools, because of the chemicals in the fabric.

My daughters were kicked out of a mixed sauna once, for wearing swimsuits.

 

[gtopa1]

Wet suits, burkinis, etc, are considered to be unhygienic, particularly in communal swimming pools, because of the chemicals in the fabric.

My daughters were kicked out of a mixed sauna once, for wearing swimsuits.

I don't like saunas. Too hot.

Greg

 

[Mindful]

Wet suits, burkinis, etc, are considered to be unhygienic, particularly in communal swimming pools, because of the chemicals in the fabric.

My daughters were kicked out of a mixed sauna once, for wearing swimsuits.

I don't like saunas. Too hot.

Greg

I found it boring. All those rituals.

It's a kind of cult thing in Europe.

 

[gtopa1]

Wet suits, burkinis, etc, are considered to be unhygienic, particularly in communal swimming pools, because of the chemicals in the fabric.

My daughters were kicked out of a mixed sauna once, for wearing swimsuits.

I am puzzled by this. Is that pool chemicals in the fabric that when vaporised might become toxic? You sure they just weren't Tommy Tainteds and his "show the boys...." brigade?

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Wet suits, burkinis, etc, are considered to be unhygienic, particularly in communal swimming pools, because of the chemicals in the fabric.

My daughters were kicked out of a mixed sauna once, for wearing swimsuits.

I don't like saunas. Too hot.

Greg

I found it boring. All those rituals.

It's a kind of cult thing in Europe.

Rituals? My brother had one in his backyard in Sydney. The only ritual he ever had was going to Ballymore when he lived in Brissie. (Rugby of course)

Greg

 

[ThirdTerm]

(CNN) A court in Nice suspended the city's burkini ban, citing insufficient grounds to justify the controversial decree. In the ruling Thursday, judges from Nice's administrative tribunal court said the full-length swimsuit worn by some Muslim women did not pose a risk to public order on the French Riviera city's beaches.

The case was brought by the Collective Against Islamophobia -- a group of human rights activists who have been helping a number of women challenge fines. They argued that the ban is discriminatory, unconstitutional and that there has been no evidence to suggest that wearing a burkini has contributed to any acts of public disorder.

Burkini ban in Nice overturned by French court - CNN.com

France's top administrative court has overturned a town burkini ban last month. The ruling by the Council of State specifically concerns a ban in the Riviera town of Villeneuve-Loubet. But the binding decision is expected to set a legal precedent for all the 30 or so French resort municipalities that have issued similar decrees, which was why a Nice court suspended the city's burkini ban.

 

[StLucieBengal]

(CNN) A court in Nice suspended the city's burkini ban, citing insufficient grounds to justify the controversial decree. In the ruling Thursday, judges from Nice's administrative tribunal court said the full-length swimsuit worn by some Muslim women did not pose a risk to public order on the French Riviera city's beaches.

The case was brought by the Collective Against Islamophobia -- a group of human rights activists who have been helping a number of women challenge fines. They argued that the ban is discriminatory, unconstitutional and that there has been no evidence to suggest that wearing a burkini has contributed to any acts of public disorder.

Burkini ban in Nice overturned by French court - CNN.com

That's only 1 of 31.

 

[Mindful]

Wet suits, burkinis, etc, are considered to be unhygienic, particularly in communal swimming pools, because of the chemicals in the fabric.

My daughters were kicked out of a mixed sauna once, for wearing swimsuits.

I am puzzled by this. Is that pool chemicals in the fabric that when vaporised might become toxic? You sure they just weren't Tommy Tainteds and his "show the boys...." brigade?

Greg

Something like that.

And there are chemicals in the synthetic swimming garments.

Nude is the way to go, for the health of the planet.



I must remember to ask Wobs if he wears speedos. lol

 

[gtopa1]

Wet suits, burkinis, etc, are considered to be unhygienic, particularly in communal swimming pools, because of the chemicals in the fabric.

My daughters were kicked out of a mixed sauna once, for wearing swimsuits.

I am puzzled by this. Is that pool chemicals in the fabric that when vaporised might become toxic? You sure they just weren't Tommy Tainteds and his "show the boys...." brigade?

Greg

Something like that.

And there are chemicals in the synthetic swimming garments.

Nude is the way to go, for the health of the planet.



I must remember to ask Wobs if he wears speedos. lol

There are EarthmotherSauniacs??? Crazy!!!

I prefer my theory;TTs.

Greg