The "warmers" here are not challenging the surface air pressure data, which shows no increase = Co2 Fraud completely busted on "warming/ice melt"
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Co2 Fraud hasn't fudged all data, surface air pressure for one....
The Co2 FRAUD is run by very lame "climate scientists" who flat out aren't very good at science at all. They are good at lying, fudging data, and censoring truth. But there is data, and it isn't friendly to the Co2 FRAUD, which is why the Co2 FRAUD fudges everything they think they need to...
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Comparison of the interannual variation in sea level and air pressure at sea level, and the 5-year moving average for the period 1963–2005.
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Hilarious dufus. What’s your point. You imbecile, it shows a steady rise in Sea level foolish that corresponds to a decrease in atmospheric pressure idiot. That happens when the temperatures are WARMING. Cooler air is associated with INCREASED pressures dufus….the pressures ARE DECREASING using your own effin chart
Co2 Fraud hasn't fudged all data, surface air pressure for one....
The Co2 FRAUD is run by very lame "climate scientists" who flat out aren't very good at science at all. They are good at lying, fudging data, and censoring truth. But there is data, and it isn't friendly to the Co2 FRAUD, which is why the Co2 FRAUD fudges everything they think they need to...
Comparison of the interannual variation in sea level and air pressure at sea level, and the 5-year moving average for the period 1963–2005.
So now you’re reduced to showing evidence of your own ignorance ! Can’t you even read a fking chart ?
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The "sea level" on that chart is not what we are discussing. We are discussing why Surface Air Pressure is going down because your Co2 FRAUD side says
1. increasing temperature
2. ongoing net ice melt
and both should push SAP higher... but aren't....
And you aren't even qualified to understand any of that....
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Nope. You’re full of shit. Air pressure increases when the ambient air temp goes down dufus. Your chart shows the pressure is decreasing. That occurs when the air temp goes up….foolish. How science illiterate are you ? Let us count ways. It’s you who made up the bullshit that increased air temps would increase air pressure. It does not .
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So, you are claiming that increasing temperature decreases surface air pressure...
LOL!!!
Anyone else agree with that?? LOL!!!
Toddster tried that angle and backed off... sorry.
Surface Air Pressure is about the mass of the gas in the column above forced down by gravity. And that is the Co2 FRAUD's biggest problem, because everything they claim should be pushing Surface Air Pressure higher, but isn't....
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Bubba, we’re talking about very cold air, not miniscule variation
Very cold temperatures can create areas of high air pressure because cold air has greater density and the concentration of molecules can raise the air pressure. An area of higher pressure, H, is called a high-pressure system and generally has a denser air mass where air temperature is cool.
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You’re silly. You can’t read. It’s invalid…Dah. It says so. You’re own post said…..it’s invalid.It is over. It was always over. Two days ago this topic started, and documented that Earth's surface air pressure shows a flat line slightly ticking down.
Co2 Fraud hasn't fudged all data, surface air pressure for one....
The Co2 FRAUD is run by very lame "climate scientists" who flat out aren't very good at science at all. They are good at lying, fudging data, and censoring truth. But there is data, and it isn't friendly to the Co2 FRAUD, which is why the Co2 FRAUD fudges everything they think they need to...
The warmers have all read it and have yet to even challenge it... because they can't. It isn't a speculation or a theory, this is a COMPLETE REFUTATION.
The warmers argue that
1. Earth temperature is rising. If so, that would push Surface Air Pressure higher
2. There is an ongoing net ice melt. If so, that would release a huge amount of compressed gas trapped in glacier ice, and in doing so would increase surface air pressure.
There is no dispute that we are taking hydrocarbons from the ground and burning, creating hydrocarbon + O2 = Co2 and H2O. The main issue there is Co2, and Co2 has increased in the atmosphere, and that would in theory increase surface air pressure too. But that is 1% of 1% of Earth's atmosphere, 0.0001 aka tiny and likely statistically insignificant. The equation for Co2 also doesn't increase the number of gas molecules, but rather increases the mass of each in the air from O2 to Co2. The excess H2O naturally joins the rest and should very slightly increase ocean levels. But the bias is still increasing atmospheric mass.
What would cause Surface Air Pressure to drop?
1. an INCREASE in Earth ice
2. a drop in temperature
So how can the Co2 Fraud explain how Earth is warming, ice is melting, but Surface Air Pressure is slightly down...???
This gets funny....
Well, since "we know temperatures are rising" then the ice must be increasing to counter that .... so Warming = increasing ice = LOL!!!!
And if "we know the ice is melting" then a massive temperature drop must be happening to counter the increase in atmospheric gas from the "melting glaicers" ... Cooling is melting glaciers now...
TOO FUNNY!!!
The conflict over Antarctic ice growth has been at the center of the Co2 Fraud all along. The Co2 Fraud cannot survive a conclusion that 90% of Earth ice on land mass Antarctica has been growing every year since Algore first originated the hoax. It knows it. But there is NO WAY TO EXPLAIN a flat to down surface air pressure reading without Antarctic ice growth. That's why the first thread got no response from the warmers here.
"When Physical Laws do not apply, there is no reality" = Mr. Spock
The Physical Laws state that if Earth is warming and ice is melting SURFACE AIR PRESSURE SHOULD BE RISING, but it isn't. Hence, there is "no reality" to the Co2 Fraud and there never was any.
We went to court in 2007.
Court Identifies Eleven Inaccuracies in Al Gore’s ‘An Inconvenient Truth’
Here's something American media are virtually guaranteed to not report: a British court has determined that Al Gore's schlockumentary "An Inconvenient Truth" contains at least eleven material falsehoods. It seems a safe bet Matt Lauer and Diane Sawyer won't be discussing this Tuesday morning...www.newsbusters.org
"The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing."
NASA put this raw data out
Study: Mass gains of Antarctic ice sheet greater than losses - NASA Science
A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.science.nasa.gov
The Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.
Bottom line - the Surface Air Pressure reading proves the Co2 Fraud's narrative of melting ice and warming is 100% fraud. Antarctic ice is increasing, which is why the oceans are not rising and why Earth is not warming.
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