The war you're watching isn't a war. What unrestricted US warfare actually looks like.

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When you see headlines about US strikes on Tehran, attacks on Iranian military infrastructure, or casualties from bombing campaigns, your brain categorizes this as "war" or "military conflict." That categorization is technically correct but functionally misleading. What you're actually watching is a demonstration of restraint, not capability.

What unrestricted US capability looks like:

The United States has 20 operational B-2 Spirit stealth bombers. Each one carries 40,000 pounds of ordnance - typically 16 JDAMs or 80 smaller precision munitions. Iran has approximately 200 critical infrastructure nodes: power generation facilities, water treatment plants, oil refineries, major bridges, communications hubs, ports, government centers.

Five B-2s on a single mission could hit every single one. Iran cannot see these aircraft on radar, cannot track them, cannot intercept them. The current strikes prove this daily. They're penetrating Tehran airspace, hitting leadership targets, and leaving without engagement. Within 48 hours of unrestricted conventional warfare: no electricity grid, no water purification, no fuel distribution, no communications network, no functioning government buildings, no port operations. You'd have 88 million people in cities with no power, no water, no food supply chain. Mass casualties from infrastructure collapse alone before you count direct deaths from the strikes themselves.

That's conventional weapons. I haven't mentioned nuclear capability yet.

Each B-2 can carry 16 B83 nuclear bombs at 1.2 megaton yield each. Tehran has 9 million people. Mashhad has 3 million. Isfahan has 2 million. Shiraz has 1.5 million. Tabriz has 1.5 million. Those five cities contain roughly 20% of Iran's population. A single B-2 could hit all five in one sortie. The US could execute complete strategic destruction of Iran, every city over 50,000 population, all military installations, nuclear facilities, government centers, in under 90 minutes from decision to final weapons release. ICBMs from US silos reach Iran in 30-35 minutes. SLBMs from the Persian Gulf reach targets in 10-15 minutes. B-2s already in theater could complete full weapons release in under 2 hours.

Now contrast that with current operations. We're conducting limited strikes on military targets. Iranian infrastructure is mostly intact. Their power grid functions. Water runs. Hospitals operate. Food supply chains continue. The government still meets. The new Supreme Leader is in hiding but alive. Millions of Iranians go to work every day in buildings that still exist. We're watching a calibrated pressure campaign with massive restraint architecture, rules of engagement, target approval processes, proportionality calculations, diplomatic considerations, alliance management. Every single strike that happens is simultaneously evidence of dozens of strikes that didn't happen.

Here's where it gets uncomfortable. Iran's state ideology has been explicitly eliminationist toward the United States for 45 years. "Death to America" has been formalized state policy since 1979. Their leadership has openly called for the destruction of the United States and Israel as theological and political imperatives. If the capability differential were reversed, if Iran had 20 stealth bombers that could penetrate US airspace undetected, if they had 100+ strategic nuclear warheads, if they could destroy every US city in 90 minutes, what do you think they would do with that capability?

Would they conduct limited strikes on military targets while leaving infrastructure intact? Would they have rules of engagement protecting civilians? Would they worry about proportionality or international law? Or would they pursue maximum destruction in line with their stated ideological goals?

Iran is currently making demands for "war reparations" and "guarantees against future aggression" while unable to stop attacks on their own capital or protect their new Supreme Leader from going into hiding. They're making these demands from a position where they literally cannot defend their territory, cannot intercept our aircraft, and cannot prevent the systematic destruction of their military capabilities. This is like someone with a knife demanding terms from someone with their finger on a trigger. The only reason they still have a state to make demands from is because we're choosing not to end it.
 
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When you see headlines about US strikes on Tehran, attacks on Iranian military infrastructure, or casualties from bombing campaigns, your brain categorizes this as "war" or "military conflict." That categorization is technically correct but functionally misleading. What you're actually watching is a demonstration of restraint, not capability.

What unrestricted US capability looks like:

The United States has 20 operational B-2 Spirit stealth bombers. Each one carries 40,000 pounds of ordnance - typically 16 JDAMs or 80 smaller precision munitions. Iran has approximately 200 critical infrastructure nodes: power generation facilities, water treatment plants, oil refineries, major bridges, communications hubs, ports, government centers.

Five B-2s on a single mission could hit every single one. Iran cannot see these aircraft on radar, cannot track them, cannot intercept them. The current strikes prove this daily. They're penetrating Tehran airspace, hitting leadership targets, and leaving without engagement. Within 48 hours of unrestricted conventional warfare: no electricity grid, no water purification, no fuel distribution, no communications network, no functioning government buildings, no port operations. You'd have 88 million people in cities with no power, no water, no food supply chain. Mass casualties from infrastructure collapse alone before you count direct deaths from the strikes themselves.

That's conventional weapons. I haven't mentioned nuclear capability yet.

Each B-2 can carry 16 B83 nuclear bombs at 1.2 megaton yield each. Tehran has 9 million people. Mashhad has 3 million. Isfahan has 2 million. Shiraz has 1.5 million. Tabriz has 1.5 million. Those five cities contain roughly 20% of Iran's population. A single B-2 could hit all five in one sortie. The US could execute complete strategic destruction of Iran, every city over 50,000 population, all military installations, nuclear facilities, government centers, in under 90 minutes from decision to final weapons release. ICBMs from US silos reach Iran in 30-35 minutes. SLBMs from the Persian Gulf reach targets in 10-15 minutes. B-2s already in theater could complete full weapons release in under 2 hours.

What we're actually doing:

Now contrast that with current operations. We're conducting limited strikes on military targets. Iranian infrastructure is mostly intact. Their power grid functions. Water runs. Hospitals operate. Food supply chains continue. The government still meets. The new Supreme Leader is in hiding but alive. Millions of Iranians go to work every day in buildings that still exist. We're watching a calibrated pressure campaign with massive restraint architecture, rules of engagement, target approval processes, proportionality calculations, diplomatic considerations, alliance management. Every single strike that happens is simultaneously evidence of dozens of strikes that didn't happen.

The reversal test:

Here's where it gets uncomfortable. Iran's state ideology has been explicitly eliminationist toward the United States for 45 years. "Death to America" has been formalized state policy since 1979. Their leadership has openly called for the destruction of the United States and Israel as theological and political imperatives. If the capability differential were reversed, if Iran had 20 stealth bombers that could penetrate US airspace undetected, if they had 100+ strategic nuclear warheads, if they could destroy every US city in 90 minutes, what do you think they would do with that capability?

out the electricity they conduct limited strikes on military targets while leaving infrastructure intact? Would they have rules of engagement protecting civilians? Would they worry about proportionality or international law? Or would they pursue maximum destruction in line with their stated ideological goals?

Iran is currently making demands for "war reparations" and "guarantees against future aggression" while unable to stop attacks on their own capital or protect their new Supreme Leader from going into hiding. They're making these demands from a position where they literally cannot defend their territory, cannot intercept our aircraft, and cannot prevent the systematic destruction of their military capabilities. This is like someone with a knife demanding terms from someone with their finger on a trigger. The only reason they still have a state to make demands from is because we're choosing not to end it.
Exactly what I've been saying.... Take out the electricity.....
Stop ***** footing around...
 
Here's where it gets uncomfortable. Iran's state ideology has been explicitly eliminationist toward the United States for 45 years. "Death to America" has been formalized state policy since 1979. Their leadership has openly called for the destruction of the United States and Israel as theological and political imperatives. If the capability differential were reversed, if Iran had 20 stealth bombers that could penetrate US airspace undetected, if they had 100+ strategic nuclear warheads, if they could destroy every US city in 90 minutes, what do you think they would do with that capability?
They would use it without hesitation and a clear conscience. This is the depth of their hatred and commitment to their prophet.
 
Iran is currently making demands for "war reparations" and "guarantees against future aggression" while unable to stop attacks on their own capital or protect their new Supreme Leader from going into hiding. They're making these demands from a position where they literally cannot defend their territory, cannot intercept our aircraft, and cannot prevent the systematic destruction of their military capabilities. This is like someone with a knife demanding terms from someone with their finger on a trigger. The only reason they still have a state to make demands from is because we're choosing not to end it.
These demands are technically aimed at the US, but it is a plea to the UN and their allies to help them.

I think Russia has its hands full with Ukraine and China just got an eye opener on just how good we are and as you say, we are pulling our punches with them.
 
These demands are technically aimed at the US, but it is a plea to the UN and their allies to help them.

I think Russia has its hands full with Ukraine and China just got an eye opener on just how good we are and as you say, we are pulling our punches with them.
"Pulling our punches" is an understatement. We could turn their entire nation into craters inside 24 hours if we wanted.
 
"Pulling our punches" is an understatement. We could turn their entire nation into craters inside 24 hours if we wanted.
We want the good Iranians to take control and the crazy Jihadis to settle down.
Creating a "failed state" with 92,000,000 refugees is the worst option.
 
We want the good Iranians to take control and the crazy Jihadis to settle down.
Creating a "failed state" with 92,000,000 refugees is the worst option.
I agree it's not a good option. The point is to illustrate the contrast between what we could do vs what we are doing.
 
When you see headlines about US strikes on Tehran, attacks on Iranian military infrastructure, or casualties from bombing campaigns, your brain categorizes this as "war" or "military conflict." That categorization is technically correct but functionally misleading. What you're actually watching is a demonstration of restraint, not capability.

What unrestricted US capability looks like:

The United States has 20 operational B-2 Spirit stealth bombers. Each one carries 40,000 pounds of ordnance - typically 16 JDAMs or 80 smaller precision munitions. Iran has approximately 200 critical infrastructure nodes: power generation facilities, water treatment plants, oil refineries, major bridges, communications hubs, ports, government centers.

Five B-2s on a single mission could hit every single one. Iran cannot see these aircraft on radar, cannot track them, cannot intercept them. The current strikes prove this daily. They're penetrating Tehran airspace, hitting leadership targets, and leaving without engagement. Within 48 hours of unrestricted conventional warfare: no electricity grid, no water purification, no fuel distribution, no communications network, no functioning government buildings, no port operations. You'd have 88 million people in cities with no power, no water, no food supply chain. Mass casualties from infrastructure collapse alone before you count direct deaths from the strikes themselves.

That's conventional weapons. I haven't mentioned nuclear capability yet.

Each B-2 can carry 16 B83 nuclear bombs at 1.2 megaton yield each. Tehran has 9 million people. Mashhad has 3 million. Isfahan has 2 million. Shiraz has 1.5 million. Tabriz has 1.5 million. Those five cities contain roughly 20% of Iran's population. A single B-2 could hit all five in one sortie. The US could execute complete strategic destruction of Iran, every city over 50,000 population, all military installations, nuclear facilities, government centers, in under 90 minutes from decision to final weapons release. ICBMs from US silos reach Iran in 30-35 minutes. SLBMs from the Persian Gulf reach targets in 10-15 minutes. B-2s already in theater could complete full weapons release in under 2 hours.

Now contrast that with current operations. We're conducting limited strikes on military targets. Iranian infrastructure is mostly intact. Their power grid functions. Water runs. Hospitals operate. Food supply chains continue. The government still meets. The new Supreme Leader is in hiding but alive. Millions of Iranians go to work every day in buildings that still exist. We're watching a calibrated pressure campaign with massive restraint architecture, rules of engagement, target approval processes, proportionality calculations, diplomatic considerations, alliance management. Every single strike that happens is simultaneously evidence of dozens of strikes that didn't happen.

Here's where it gets uncomfortable. Iran's state ideology has been explicitly eliminationist toward the United States for 45 years. "Death to America" has been formalized state policy since 1979. Their leadership has openly called for the destruction of the United States and Israel as theological and political imperatives. If the capability differential were reversed, if Iran had 20 stealth bombers that could penetrate US airspace undetected, if they had 100+ strategic nuclear warheads, if they could destroy every US city in 90 minutes, what do you think they would do with that capability?

Would they conduct limited strikes on military targets while leaving infrastructure intact? Would they have rules of engagement protecting civilians? Would they worry about proportionality or international law? Or would they pursue maximum destruction in line with their stated ideological goals?

Iran is currently making demands for "war reparations" and "guarantees against future aggression" while unable to stop attacks on their own capital or protect their new Supreme Leader from going into hiding. They're making these demands from a position where they literally cannot defend their territory, cannot intercept our aircraft, and cannot prevent the systematic destruction of their military capabilities. This is like someone with a knife demanding terms from someone with their finger on a trigger. The only reason they still have a state to make demands from is because we're choosing not to end it.

Not sure what your point is.

You do quite effectively spell out why nations such as Iran want an ICBM so badly. The US would behave quite differently if Iran could nuke Atlanta
 
Not sure what your point is.

You do quite effectively spell out why nations such as Iran want an ICBM so badly. The US would behave quite differently if Iran could nuke Atlanta
The point is we're using so much restraint it's hard to quantify it. Even with conventional weaponry (no nukes) we could level their entire nation in a day. The idea that they can somehow win this conflict is so far removed from reality it's insane. There are people on this forum and other online places that are in complete denial about the reality of the situation.
 
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The point is we're using so much restraint it's hard to quantify it. Even with conventional weaponry (no nukes) we could level their entire nation in a day. The idea that they can somehow win this conflict is so far removed from reality it's insane.
I agree about “winning”. Not sure that paying $3.87 a gallon for gasoline is winning when they weren’t much of a threat to us though. And when the Arabs start rolling out their next wave of terrorism in response to this it will be interesting to see what remaining freedoms are taken from us (i.e. getting on airplanes without removing your shoes). You DO realize that blowback is coming our way for this, right?
 
Not sure what your point is.

You do quite effectively spell out why nations such as Iran want an ICBM so badly. The US would behave quite differently if Iran could nuke Atlanta
The US does not need to behave differently. When left alone, the United States is one of histories most benevolent nations to have ever existed.

Hell, we tolerated a nation waging war on us for 47 years before saying, "Enough."
 
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