The "Virtuous" New Nazis.

[Coyote]

Antisemitism is cultural.

Not necessarily. Since the traditional antisemitic canards rely on spinning Jews as rich and powerful, manipulative and sneaky, and with undue power over others, it appeals to worthless individuals of all stripes looking for a convenient scapegoat for all their own shortcomings. The disgruntled, the paranoid schizophrenics, those suffering from a Joan of Ark complex -- all concentrate their attention on Jews as there is already such a ready-made wealth of material out there for them to utilize.

As far as culture is concerned, it is often less a matter of culture than a mere PART of the culture. Leftists are increasingly hostile to Jews because it is fashionable and they are seeking approval from other leftists. The United states, as a whole, is not antisemitic, but levels of antisemitism run very high in the black community, fast increasing portions of the left, and a small vestige of the paleocon and white supremacist portion of the right. Since Europe is dominated by leftist politics, the levels of antisemitism run much higher.

I don't think it's as simple as "fashionable" but I actually agree with parts of what you say.

I think anti-semitism is cultural in large part. It's taught and passed on in a culture. That's why it has never completely disappeared.

I think anti-semitism is one component of a broader need to scapegoat and scapegoats will always be whatever relatively powerless minority exists. In addition, a minority that is seen to be insular, and outside of the mainstream culture, will be even more likely to be scapegoated. I don't see it as a left vs right situation. What I see as different is that it has always been the provenance of the right before, and now we are seeing it also in the left. The right is cloaking it in anti-Muslim rhetoric but the followers still spout the same old canards.

I think the fact that levels of anti-semitism are much higher in Europe is not because of leftist politics but because of history. Europe has had a strongly entrenched history of antisemitism - that resulted in expulsions, pogroms, lack of rights and forced conversions of non-Christians, in particular Jews. The US, Canada, Australia - while it's had anti-senmitism, never had that history. WW2 after all, was European.

But I agree it is a part of the culture - an ugly part, that is kept largely out of sight until stresses give it strength and voice.

Scapegoating a religious, ethnic or racial group is unfortunately very human. They are viewed as "outside" and when nationaism rises - outsiders suffer. It doesn't matter what group it is...it's wrong, dangerous and tragic.

 

[irosie91]

anti-Semitism is a necessary and invariable element of two specific religions----Christianity and Islam. The scriptural writings of both------endorse it

 

[Coyote]

anti-Semitism is a necessary and invariable element of two specific religions----Christianity and Islam. The scriptural writings of both------endorse it

But they also repudiate it.

Ah it's full of contradictions.

 

[irosie91]

anti-Semitism is a necessary and invariable element of two specific religions----Christianity and Islam. The scriptural writings of both------endorse it

But they also repudiate it.

Ah it's full of contradictions.

you are very confused. Nowhere does either the "new testament" or the "koran" repudiate anti-Semitism. Both
are dull books-----but it is a good idea to try to plough thru

 

[Tilly]

Interesting article that goes some way to explain how disparate social justice groups manage to ignore reality and facts in order to unite in their support of wildly antithetical causes so they can all hate on Israel - the collective Jew.

Intersectionality’ and the Bizarre World of Hating Israel
Bogus new linkages blame Jewish state for basically everything
By Ziva Dahl • 03/15/16 12:15pm

A demonstrator holds a Palestinian flag. (Photo: Filippo Monteforte/AFP/Getty Images)

Have you heard of “intersectionality,” the latest strategy of Israel-haters who, like Alice in Lewis Carroll’s classic, reside in a “looking-glass world,” where clocks run backwards, language is nonsensical and everything is topsy-turvy?

Have you wondered why Black Lives Matter activists carry signs “Justice From Ferguson to Palestine,” seeking to link claims of American racism and police violence with claims of Israeli brutality against Palestinians?


How about the National Women’s Studies Association endorsing a boycott of Israel to condemn the “sexual and gender-based violence perpetrated [by Israel] against Palestinians,” making a fictitious claim about the only Middle Eastern country with full gender equality and ignoring repression of women’s rights in Palestinian society?

Jewish Voice for Peace, a rabidly anti-Israel organization, links the Palestinian issue to “the struggles of students of color, student survivors of sexual assault, and all others who on campus fight against oppression, whether imperialism, racism, patriarchy, police violence, or other systemic inequities.”

At Columbia University, Students for Justice in Palestine and No Red Tape, a student group fighting sexual violence, join forces. What does opposing sexual violence have to do with Israel and the Palestinians?

At Vassar, Africana Studies offers course AFRS 383, “Transnational Solidarities: Palestinian Struggle for Self-Determination/Black Struggle for Liberation” and Jasbir Puar, a Rutgers Gender/Queer Studies professor, delivers a diatribe accusing Israel of harvesting Palestinian organs for research, experimenting on Palestinian children and targeting Palestinians for “stunting” and “maiming.”

Welcome to the world of “intersectionality,” inhabited by Israel-haters on college campuses and elsewhere. ...

‘Intersectionality’ and the Bizarre World of Hating Israel

 

[Tilly]

More from:

Intersectionality’ and the Bizarre World of Hating Israel
Bogus new linkages blame Jewish state for basically everything
By Ziva Dahl • 03/15/16 12:15pm


....The anti-Israel BDS campaigns have successfully injected the Palestinians into this intersectional mix as victims of colonialist oppression by pro-Western Israel. The marriage of intersectionality with the Arab-Israeli conflict allows any victim group to make common cause with the Palestinians. The Palestinian struggle is linked to other “social justice” causes, no matter how disparate, in an aggressive strategy to attract supporters and speak with one unified voice....


....Solidarity with other supposedly “oppressed” groups compels the intersectionalist to adopt positions unrelated or even diametrically opposed to one’s cause, leading to coalitions, in this upside-down “looking-glass world,” with those actively hostile to one’s agenda.

This explains why, in January, the National LGBTQ Task Force initially chose to ally itself with Palestinians who execute gays, rather than with Israel, the sole Middle Eastern country that protects the rights of the LGBTQ community. And why women’s rights groups champion Palestinian society, where honor killings and violence against women are commonplace. To such “identity” groups, Palestinians are noble people of color struggling against “Western imperialistic injustices.” Treating women as chattel, beating or killing gays or discriminating against blacks are merely inconvenient facts that emanate from Western colonialism. A passion for the “virtuous” Palestinians reigns supreme and all manner of Palestinian behavior is morally justified in the Israel-hater “looking-glass world.”

In the “jabberwocky” of multicultural victimhood, Western, white, wealthy, cis-male and Israel (the collective Jew) are inherently evil, while third-world people of color, women, LGBTQ and Palestinians are automatically good. Alice would be right at home here. Today, to the sanctimonious social justice warrior, Jews are part of the oppressor class. On college campuses, Jewish students are stereotyped “white privileged,” while Palestinians are glorified as innocent “non-white” victims. And genuine historical Jewish support for the rights of minorities is now being questioned....

‘Intersectionality’ and the Bizarre World of Hating Israel

 

[Tilly]

And blatant anti semitism on campuses:

Intersectionality’ and the Bizarre World of Hating Israel
Bogus new linkages blame Jewish state for basically everything
By Ziva Dahl • 03/15/16 12:15pm
.....
Jewish students involved in campus leadership are accused of “dual loyalty.” In 2015, Stanford University’s Students of Color Coalition refused to endorse senate candidate Molly Horwitz because they felt that her Judaism would impact her vote on divestment issues. The UCLA student Judicial Board asked Rachel Beyda, “Given that you are a Jewish student… how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view?” Ms. Beyda was initially denied a position due to her Jewish faith.

With the advent of “intersectionality,” Jewish students must pass an Israel litmus test to prove their commitment to social justice. Jewish students are being marginalized on campuses, many feeling the need to hide their pro-Israel and Jewish identities to “get along” in this hostile environment. University of Missouri sophomore Michael Stephenson, a social justice advocate, commented, “I don’t know where I belong…. It’s hard to be a Jewish student and support these [anti-racism] groups when harsh criticism of Israel sometimes turns into criticism of the Jews.”

In Through the Looking-Glass, Alice climbs through a mirror into a world of contradictions and illogical word play, where normal rules don’t prevail, where everything is backward, where animals and flowers talk, chess pieces come to life, a world not quite right. Alice finally wakes up and the reader ponders the blurring of boundaries between reality and fantasy. I wonder, will the Israel-haters eventually wake up from the fantasy of intersectionality, their obsession with victimization, the idolization of Palestinians and the demonization of Israelis?

Ziva Dahl is a fellow with the Haym Salomon Center. She has a Master of Arts degree in public law and government from Columbia University and an A.B. in political science from Vassar College

‘Intersectionality’ and the Bizarre World of Hating Israel

 

[Phoenall]

Antisemitism is cultural.

Not necessarily. Since the traditional antisemitic canards rely on spinning Jews as rich and powerful, manipulative and sneaky, and with undue power over others, it appeals to worthless individuals of all stripes looking for a convenient scapegoat for all their own shortcomings. The disgruntled, the paranoid schizophrenics, those suffering from a Joan of Ark complex -- all concentrate their attention on Jews as there is already such a ready-made wealth of material out there for them to utilize.

As far as culture is concerned, it is often less a matter of culture than a mere PART of the culture. Leftists are increasingly hostile to Jews because it is fashionable and they are seeking approval from other leftists. The United states, as a whole, is not antisemitic, but levels of antisemitism run very high in the black community, fast increasing portions of the left, and a small vestige of the paleocon and white supremacist portion of the right. Since Europe is dominated by leftist politics, the levels of antisemitism run much higher.

I don't think it's as simple as "fashionable" but I actually agree with parts of what you say.

I think anti-semitism is cultural in large part. It's taught and passed on in a culture. That's why it has never completely disappeared.

I think anti-semitism is one component of a broader need to scapegoat and scapegoats will always be whatever relatively powerless minority exists. In addition, a minority that is seen to be insular, and outside of the mainstream culture, will be even more likely to be scapegoated. I don't see it as a left vs right situation. What I see as different is that it has always been the provenance of the right before, and now we are seeing it also in the left. The right is cloaking it in anti-Muslim rhetoric but the followers still spout the same old canards.

I think the fact that levels of anti-semitism are much higher in Europe is not because of leftist politics but because of history. Europe has had a strongly entrenched history of antisemitism - that resulted in expulsions, pogroms, lack of rights and forced conversions of non-Christians, in particular Jews. The US, Canada, Australia - while it's had anti-senmitism, never had that history. WW2 after all, was European.

But I agree it is a part of the culture - an ugly part, that is kept largely out of sight until stresses give it strength and voice.

Scapegoating a religious, ethnic or racial group is unfortunately very human. They are viewed as "outside" and when nationaism rises - outsiders suffer. It doesn't matter what group it is...it's wrong, dangerous and tragic.

The US was just as anti semitic as Europe was if you look at the facts. The US government knew all about the treatment of the Jews as far back as the mid 1930's and refused all but the rich the right to migrate. So much so the canard was send us your unwanted as long as they are not Jews. This is why so many ended up mass murdered in the camps of Eastern Europe because they had nowhere to go. The US decided that granting them a small plot of land in the M.E. was enough, and saw that it was just like the deal done with the first nations. The right see the muslims the same way the US saw the Japanese during WW2, and cant understand their cultural differences when it comes to war and violence. Could you see yourself teaching your child to slit the throat of a man by having them slit the throats of goats and sheep under the pretext of it being a religious obligation

 

[Mindful]

Antisemitism is cultural.

Not necessarily. Since the traditional antisemitic canards rely on spinning Jews as rich and powerful, manipulative and sneaky, and with undue power over others, it appeals to worthless individuals of all stripes looking for a convenient scapegoat for all their own shortcomings. The disgruntled, the paranoid schizophrenics, those suffering from a Joan of Ark complex -- all concentrate their attention on Jews as there is already such a ready-made wealth of material out there for them to utilize.

As far as culture is concerned, it is often less a matter of culture than a mere PART of the culture. Leftists are increasingly hostile to Jews because it is fashionable and they are seeking approval from other leftists. The United states, as a whole, is not antisemitic, but levels of antisemitism run very high in the black community, fast increasing portions of the left, and a small vestige of the paleocon and white supremacist portion of the right. Since Europe is dominated by leftist politics, the levels of antisemitism run much higher.

I don't think it's as simple as "fashionable" but I actually agree with parts of what you say.

I think anti-semitism is cultural in large part. It's taught and passed on in a culture. That's why it has never completely disappeared.

I think anti-semitism is one component of a broader need to scapegoat and scapegoats will always be whatever relatively powerless minority exists. In addition, a minority that is seen to be insular, and outside of the mainstream culture, will be even more likely to be scapegoated. I don't see it as a left vs right situation. What I see as different is that it has always been the provenance of the right before, and now we are seeing it also in the left. The right is cloaking it in anti-Muslim rhetoric but the followers still spout the same old canards.

I think the fact that levels of anti-semitism are much higher in Europe is not because of leftist politics but because of history. Europe has had a strongly entrenched history of antisemitism - that resulted in expulsions, pogroms, lack of rights and forced conversions of non-Christians, in particular Jews. The US, Canada, Australia - while it's had anti-senmitism, never had that history. WW2 after all, was European.

But I agree it is a part of the culture - an ugly part, that is kept largely out of sight until stresses give it strength and voice.

Scapegoating a religious, ethnic or racial group is unfortunately very human. They are viewed as "outside" and when nationaism rises - outsiders suffer. It doesn't matter what group it is...it's wrong, dangerous and tragic.

The US was just as anti semitic as Europe was if you look at the facts. The US government knew all about the treatment of the Jews as far back as the mid 1930's and refused all but the rich the right to migrate. So much so the canard was send us your unwanted as long as they are not Jews. This is why so many ended up mass murdered in the camps of Eastern Europe because they had nowhere to go. The US decided that granting them a small plot of land in the M.E. was enough, and saw that it was just like the deal done with the first nations. The right see the muslims the same way the US saw the Japanese during WW2, and cant understand their cultural differences when it comes to war and violence. Could you see yourself teaching your child to slit the throat of a man by having them slit the throats of goats and sheep under the pretext of it being a religious obligation

Watch the video, lower down on the page.

Corbyn campaign video dismissing antisemitism accusations is withdrawn | The Jewish Chronicle

 

[Tommy Tainant]

From The Independent.

More maybe: later.

How it is possible to guarantee the complexion of another’s soul when our own are such mysteries to us, I don't know. Speaking generally, it is easier these days, anyway, to hate Israel rather than Jews, since you get the same frisson with none of the guilt. Besides, anti-Semitism need not be the worst of crimes. Depends on the variety you espouse. Not every anti-Semite is Joseph Goebbels. You can not like Jews much and be no great harm to them.

I think that it is likely that some people feel that way, hating Israel provides them a way of "legitimizing" their anti-semitism. However, it's also all too easy for that label to spill over and silence legitimate criticism of Israel's policies. For example - labeling the BDS movement as across the board anti-semitism.

I DO find it unsettling to see areas declaring themselves "free" of Israeli products...that speaks to a larger undercurrent that demonizes rather than seeks actual resolution. I also find that, as in the article I posted, that the BDS campaign ignores the complexities of the situation and ignores the Palestinians own role in the conflict.

The crazy thing is that Jewish people make common cause with these people against Muslims. When the hard right has disposed of the Muslims they will go for the Jews next.

 

[Mindful]

From The Independent.

More maybe: later.

How it is possible to guarantee the complexion of another’s soul when our own are such mysteries to us, I don't know. Speaking generally, it is easier these days, anyway, to hate Israel rather than Jews, since you get the same frisson with none of the guilt. Besides, anti-Semitism need not be the worst of crimes. Depends on the variety you espouse. Not every anti-Semite is Joseph Goebbels. You can not like Jews much and be no great harm to them.

I think that it is likely that some people feel that way, hating Israel provides them a way of "legitimizing" their anti-semitism. However, it's also all too easy for that label to spill over and silence legitimate criticism of Israel's policies. For example - labeling the BDS movement as across the board anti-semitism.

I DO find it unsettling to see areas declaring themselves "free" of Israeli products...that speaks to a larger undercurrent that demonizes rather than seeks actual resolution. I also find that, as in the article I posted, that the BDS campaign ignores the complexities of the situation and ignores the Palestinians own role in the conflict.

The crazy thing is that Jewish people make common cause with these people against Muslims. When the hard right has disposed of the Muslims they will go for the Jews next.

More flamboyant nonsense.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

From The Independent.

More maybe: later.

How it is possible to guarantee the complexion of another’s soul when our own are such mysteries to us, I don't know. Speaking generally, it is easier these days, anyway, to hate Israel rather than Jews, since you get the same frisson with none of the guilt. Besides, anti-Semitism need not be the worst of crimes. Depends on the variety you espouse. Not every anti-Semite is Joseph Goebbels. You can not like Jews much and be no great harm to them.

I think that it is likely that some people feel that way, hating Israel provides them a way of "legitimizing" their anti-semitism. However, it's also all too easy for that label to spill over and silence legitimate criticism of Israel's policies. For example - labeling the BDS movement as across the board anti-semitism.

I DO find it unsettling to see areas declaring themselves "free" of Israeli products...that speaks to a larger undercurrent that demonizes rather than seeks actual resolution. I also find that, as in the article I posted, that the BDS campaign ignores the complexities of the situation and ignores the Palestinians own role in the conflict.

The crazy thing is that Jewish people make common cause with these people against Muslims. When the hard right has disposed of the Muslims they will go for the Jews next.

More flamboyant nonsense.

Which part ?

 

[Mindful]

From The Independent.

More maybe: later.

How it is possible to guarantee the complexion of another’s soul when our own are such mysteries to us, I don't know. Speaking generally, it is easier these days, anyway, to hate Israel rather than Jews, since you get the same frisson with none of the guilt. Besides, anti-Semitism need not be the worst of crimes. Depends on the variety you espouse. Not every anti-Semite is Joseph Goebbels. You can not like Jews much and be no great harm to them.

I think that it is likely that some people feel that way, hating Israel provides them a way of "legitimizing" their anti-semitism. However, it's also all too easy for that label to spill over and silence legitimate criticism of Israel's policies. For example - labeling the BDS movement as across the board anti-semitism.

I DO find it unsettling to see areas declaring themselves "free" of Israeli products...that speaks to a larger undercurrent that demonizes rather than seeks actual resolution. I also find that, as in the article I posted, that the BDS campaign ignores the complexities of the situation and ignores the Palestinians own role in the conflict.

The crazy thing is that Jewish people make common cause with these people against Muslims. When the hard right has disposed of the Muslims they will go for the Jews next.

More flamboyant nonsense.

Which part ?

Are you prevaricating again?

 

[irosie91]

From The Independent.

More maybe: later.

How it is possible to guarantee the complexion of another’s soul when our own are such mysteries to us, I don't know. Speaking generally, it is easier these days, anyway, to hate Israel rather than Jews, since you get the same frisson with none of the guilt. Besides, anti-Semitism need not be the worst of crimes. Depends on the variety you espouse. Not every anti-Semite is Joseph Goebbels. You can not like Jews much and be no great harm to them.

I think that it is likely that some people feel that way, hating Israel provides them a way of "legitimizing" their anti-semitism. However, it's also all too easy for that label to spill over and silence legitimate criticism of Israel's policies. For example - labeling the BDS movement as across the board anti-semitism.

I DO find it unsettling to see areas declaring themselves "free" of Israeli products...that speaks to a larger undercurrent that demonizes rather than seeks actual resolution. I also find that, as in the article I posted, that the BDS campaign ignores the complexities of the situation and ignores the Palestinians own role in the conflict.

The crazy thing is that Jewish people make common cause with these people against Muslims. When the hard right has disposed of the Muslims they will go for the Jews next.

More flamboyant nonsense.

Which part ?

Are you prevaricating again?

Mr Tain.. Is doing his best----he is parroting islamo-nazi propaganda. His premise is that opposition to islamo
Nazi terrorism is----ITSELF a Nazi cause. The jailing of
persons involved is exactly the same as internment of populations of the meek and mild in Auschwitz

 

[Mindful]

So Jeremy won.

 

[Mindful]

Dianne; spouting off.

 

[irosie91]

Dianne; spouting off.

I would appreciate surnames. ----------uhm-----are you in London?

 

[Mindful]

Dianne; spouting off.

I would appreciate surnames. ----------uhm-----are you in London?

Sorry. Dianne Abbott, Corbyn's muse.

No, I'm not in London right now.

 

[irosie91]

Dianne; spouting off.

I would appreciate surnames. ----------uhm-----are you in London?

Sorry. Dianne Abbott, Corbyn's muse.

No, I'm not in London right now.

thanks

 

[Drummond]

So Jeremy won.

... yep. Jeremy won ... convincingly so, too.

I hope he enjoys the victory, and savours it. He should. He'll be earning a famine of them, as of now.

You really have to 'admire' the Labour Party's utter determination to keep itself in the political wilderness. A Corbyn win is a gift to the Conservatives. We will most definitely see an equivalent of the Michael Foot days, back in the Eighties, where infighting made Labour unelectable back then.

As for Corbyn .. he's a con artist. He's happy to have it perceived by those not old enough to know differently, that his approach is a 'new' or 'fresh' one. In fact, it's anything BUT ... all he offers are the bad old days before Labour moderated itself and became electable, post-Foot. Essentially the same older policies. Undoubtedly a display of an old-style Leftie who wants Labour to forget all the lessons it SHOULD have learned, and force Labour to become its older and useless self.

Well .. I'm no Leftie, and I for one am delighted that Labour is so firmly set upon its destructive path. Let them remain unelectable for a generation ... or more. In fact, let's see Labour fracture and disintegrate, once and for all !!