The Violence of Conservatism

[Bfgrn]

The Violence of Conservatism

by Jeffrey A. Tucker

Ads like this one make me shudder, mainly because I once thought of myself as a conservative (for both good and bad reasons). The ad runs: "3 Conservative Books for $1 each" and examples of such conservative books flash by, all of them screaming for blood, exalting the imperial state, decrying the very basis of civilization (peace), and demanding the jailing of dissidents, and one more: something denouncing Democrats.

Sean Hannity's Deliver Us From Evil combines chauvinism and sacrilege, PJ O'Rourke's Peace Kills finds humor in slaughter, Ann Coulter's Treason imagines internment as a permanent solution to the problem of political dissent, and there are a hundred other books striking similar things available from the same service.

All of this can be yours for next-to-nothing down, and only a promise to buy more later should your will to kill fail you as the months pass by.

So there we have it. The magic of the marketplace, delivering via your computer screen straight to your doorstep, for only a buck, hundreds of pages of the most violent rhetoric put between covers since Progress Publishers collected Stalin's speeches.

This is conservatism. There's no use in denying it. The war party and American conservatism are interchangeable and inseparable. They are synonyms. The same thing. They co-exist. How many ways can we put it? Militarism and violence is at the core of conservatism...

The Violence of Conservatism by Jeffrey A. Tucker

 

[dilloduck]

The Violence of Conservatism

by Jeffrey A. Tucker

Ads like this one make me shudder, mainly because I once thought of myself as a conservative (for both good and bad reasons). The ad runs: "3 Conservative Books for $1 each" and examples of such conservative books flash by, all of them screaming for blood, exalting the imperial state, decrying the very basis of civilization (peace), and demanding the jailing of dissidents, and one more: something denouncing Democrats.

Sean Hannity's Deliver Us From Evil combines chauvinism and sacrilege, PJ O'Rourke's Peace Kills finds humor in slaughter, Ann Coulter's Treason imagines internment as a permanent solution to the problem of political dissent, and there are a hundred other books striking similar things available from the same service.

All of this can be yours for next-to-nothing down, and only a promise to buy more later should your will to kill fail you as the months pass by.

So there we have it. The magic of the marketplace, delivering via your computer screen straight to your doorstep, for only a buck, hundreds of pages of the most violent rhetoric put between covers since Progress Publishers collected Stalin's speeches.

This is conservatism. There's no use in denying it. The war party and American conservatism are interchangeable and inseparable. They are synonyms. The same thing. They co-exist. How many ways can we put it? Militarism and violence is at the core of conservatism...

The Violence of Conservatism by Jeffrey A. Tucker

Odd--Obama is sending more troops to Afghanistan. Is that the party of peace?

 

[Yurt]

The Violence of Conservatism

by Jeffrey A. Tucker

Ads like this one make me shudder, mainly because I once thought of myself as a conservative (for both good and bad reasons). The ad runs: "3 Conservative Books for $1 each" and examples of such conservative books flash by, all of them screaming for blood, exalting the imperial state, decrying the very basis of civilization (peace), and demanding the jailing of dissidents, and one more: something denouncing Democrats.

Sean Hannity's Deliver Us From Evil combines chauvinism and sacrilege, PJ O'Rourke's Peace Kills finds humor in slaughter, Ann Coulter's Treason imagines internment as a permanent solution to the problem of political dissent, and there are a hundred other books striking similar things available from the same service.

All of this can be yours for next-to-nothing down, and only a promise to buy more later should your will to kill fail you as the months pass by.

So there we have it. The magic of the marketplace, delivering via your computer screen straight to your doorstep, for only a buck, hundreds of pages of the most violent rhetoric put between covers since Progress Publishers collected Stalin's speeches.

This is conservatism. There's no use in denying it. The war party and American conservatism are interchangeable and inseparable. They are synonyms. The same thing. They co-exist. How many ways can we put it? Militarism and violence is at the core of conservatism...

The Violence of Conservatism by Jeffrey A. Tucker

Odd--Obama is sending more troops to Afghanistan. Is that the party of peace?

this is from the same kook who didn't know obama and his thugs blamed bush for the economy...

 

[Bfgrn]

Hey Yurt...a few simple questions for you...

1) Whatever the "state" of the economy is at the conclusion of one administration, is it a fair and accurate statement for ANY incoming president to say he's inheriting that "state" or situation?

2) How many urinal cakes did you have to taste to figure out they weren't real cakes?


I think it’s just crazy. It's part of that worldview that led us to where we are. Think about it. The United States went and negotiated with and supported Saddam Hussein himself against Iran under this notion that sometimes my enemy is my friend. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That emboldened Saddam Hussein and allowed him to invade Kuwait. It made us go to war that we did not finish and did not take Saddam Hussein out.
Former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) 12/11/06 (The Hill)

 

[xsited1]

Aside from this article being ancient in political terms, he makes some very valid points. However, he's wrong about this:

Yes, I've heard all the arguments that this is "phony conservatism," or "neoconservatism," or "conservatism that has sold out to the Republican Party," but all of these qualifications and apologies are increasingly strained.

He's sounds like just another Republican who voted for George W. Bush in 2000 expecting a 'true' conservative and got an LBJ-style Democrat. What he is missing is that the country is right-of-center (yes, conservative) and neither the Republican nor the Democratic Parties represent them. I hope he didn't vote for Obama.

 

[Bfgrn]

Aside from this article being ancient in political terms, he makes some very valid points. However, he's wrong about this:

Yes, I've heard all the arguments that this is "phony conservatism," or "neoconservatism," or "conservatism that has sold out to the Republican Party," but all of these qualifications and apologies are increasingly strained.

He's sounds like just another Republican who voted for George W. Bush in 2000 expecting a 'true' conservative and got an LBJ-style Democrat. What he is missing is that the country is right-of-center (yes, conservative) and neither the Republican nor the Democratic Parties represent them. I hope he didn't vote for Obama.

I think you are living in the past...America was founded on liberal tenets...

Voter Shift for 2004 to 2008
Most of the country shifted Democratic, except for Alaska (Palin's home state), Arizona (John McCain's home state), and those parts of the South without a relatively large black population

 

[xsited1]

Aside from this article being ancient in political terms, he makes some very valid points. However, he's wrong about this:

Yes, I've heard all the arguments that this is "phony conservatism," or "neoconservatism," or "conservatism that has sold out to the Republican Party," but all of these qualifications and apologies are increasingly strained.

He's sounds like just another Republican who voted for George W. Bush in 2000 expecting a 'true' conservative and got an LBJ-style Democrat. What he is missing is that the country is right-of-center (yes, conservative) and neither the Republican nor the Democratic Parties represent them. I hope he didn't vote for Obama.

I think you are living in the past...America was founded on liberal tenets...

Voter Shift for 2004 to 2008
Most of the country shifted Democratic, except for Alaska (Palin's home state), Arizona (John McCain's home state), and those parts of the South without a relatively large black population

Uh, no. Liberals stand for many things like free markets and freedom of speech, but they are anything but Democrats. (Well, there might actually be a few Democrats who are true liberals, but not too many.) The meaning of the word 'Liberal' has been corrupted by contemporary American liberals, so the modern political definition of 'liberal' and what it was at the beginning of the country are diametrically opposed.

I recommend you update what you think you know about the word 'liberal'.

 

[mash107]

Aside from this article being ancient in political terms, he makes some very valid points. However, he's wrong about this:



He's sounds like just another Republican who voted for George W. Bush in 2000 expecting a 'true' conservative and got an LBJ-style Democrat. What he is missing is that the country is right-of-center (yes, conservative) and neither the Republican nor the Democratic Parties represent them. I hope he didn't vote for Obama.

I think you are living in the past...America was founded on liberal tenets...

Voter Shift for 2004 to 2008
Most of the country shifted Democratic, except for Alaska (Palin's home state), Arizona (John McCain's home state), and those parts of the South without a relatively large black population

Uh, no. Liberals stand for many things like free markets and freedom of speech, but they are anything but Democrats. (Well, there might actually be a few Democrats who are true liberals, but not too many.) The meaning of the word 'Liberal' has been corrupted by contemporary American liberals, so the modern political definition of 'liberal' and what it was at the beginning of the country are diametrically opposed.

I recommend you update what you think you know about the word 'liberal'.

Funny enough, he linked LewRockwell.com who is a loud advocate for true/classical liberalism. Yet Bfgrn is a strong advocate of tyranny in terms of economics.

 

[Yurt]

Hey Yurt...a few simple questions for you...

1) Whatever the "state" of the economy is at the conclusion of one administration, is it a fair and accurate statement for ANY incoming president to say he's inheriting that "state" or situation?

2) How many urinal cakes did you have to taste to figure out they weren't real cakes?


I think it’s just crazy. It's part of that worldview that led us to where we are. Think about it. The United States went and negotiated with and supported Saddam Hussein himself against Iran under this notion that sometimes my enemy is my friend. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That emboldened Saddam Hussein and allowed him to invade Kuwait. It made us go to war that we did not finish and did not take Saddam Hussein out.
Former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas) 12/11/06 (The Hill)

go debate that point in the other thread ou claimed obama never said that

 

[Gunny]

The Violence of Conservatism

by Jeffrey A. Tucker

Ads like this one make me shudder, mainly because I once thought of myself as a conservative (for both good and bad reasons). The ad runs: "3 Conservative Books for $1 each" and examples of such conservative books flash by, all of them screaming for blood, exalting the imperial state, decrying the very basis of civilization (peace), and demanding the jailing of dissidents, and one more: something denouncing Democrats.

Sean Hannity's Deliver Us From Evil combines chauvinism and sacrilege, PJ O'Rourke's Peace Kills finds humor in slaughter, Ann Coulter's Treason imagines internment as a permanent solution to the problem of political dissent, and there are a hundred other books striking similar things available from the same service.

All of this can be yours for next-to-nothing down, and only a promise to buy more later should your will to kill fail you as the months pass by.

So there we have it. The magic of the marketplace, delivering via your computer screen straight to your doorstep, for only a buck, hundreds of pages of the most violent rhetoric put between covers since Progress Publishers collected Stalin's speeches.

This is conservatism. There's no use in denying it. The war party and American conservatism are interchangeable and inseparable. They are synonyms. The same thing. They co-exist. How many ways can we put it? Militarism and violence is at the core of conservatism...

The Violence of Conservatism by Jeffrey A. Tucker

*yawn*

Funny thing. I don't recall any violent conservative protests. On the other hand, I don't recall any NONviolent lefty protests.

 

[Bfgrn]

I think you are living in the past...America was founded on liberal tenets...

Voter Shift for 2004 to 2008
Most of the country shifted Democratic, except for Alaska (Palin's home state), Arizona (John McCain's home state), and those parts of the South without a relatively large black population

Uh, no. Liberals stand for many things like free markets and freedom of speech, but they are anything but Democrats. (Well, there might actually be a few Democrats who are true liberals, but not too many.) The meaning of the word 'Liberal' has been corrupted by contemporary American liberals, so the modern political definition of 'liberal' and what it was at the beginning of the country are diametrically opposed.

I recommend you update what you think you know about the word 'liberal'.

Funny enough, he linked LewRockwell.com who is a loud advocate for true/classical liberalism. Yet Bfgrn is a strong advocate of tyranny in terms of economics.

I am well aware of what classic liberalism is...It is what I believe in. But maybe you should also update your thinking... our founding fathers lived in a different era.

Thomas Jefferson witnessed the human conditions brought about by industrialization while in Europe, that's why he opposed Hamilton's push for it here. Jefferson advocated for an agrarian society...that would hardly fly in today's corporate America...

Jefferson believed the Constitution should be a living document with a vehicle to amend the Constitution to adapt to future changes in society and to buffer the founder's own human errors...

THEN...I suggest that you read up on the 1886 Supreme Court Case, Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad...because NOTHING our founders confronted undermined the republic like that ruling...

It has led us to where we are today...a corporatocracy...

IF you believe in a TRUE free market, then you would put corporate welfare in the form of subsides at the top of the list as the most dangerous to a free market economy...


Man is the handiwork of God and was placed upon earth to carry out a Divine purpose. The corporation is the handiwork of man and was created to carry out a money-making policy. There is comparatively little difference in the strength of men. A corporation may be one hundred, one thousand, or even one million times stronger than the average man. Man acts under the restraints of conscience, and is influenced also by a belief in the future life. A corporation has no soul and cares nothing about the hereafter."

- William Jennings Bryan 1912

 

[Angel Heart]

*yawn*

Funny thing. I don't recall any violent conservative protests. On the other hand, I don't recall any NONviolent lefty protests.

None of the Tea Parties have been violent. The radical anarchist in Europe... Well they are not the Tea Party Protests!

 

[Sinatra]

Unfortunately, both political sides have ample evidence of very poor behavior. We could spend quite a bit of time on Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, or perhaps the rather extreme positions taken by various "peace" groups...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPeToi63cA&feature=PlayList&p=A886ECAA8AAEF917&index=28&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL]YouTube - Racist Democrats Exposed[/ame]

 

[Avatar4321]

The Violence of Conservatism

by Jeffrey A. Tucker

Ads like this one make me shudder, mainly because I once thought of myself as a conservative (for both good and bad reasons). The ad runs: "3 Conservative Books for $1 each" and examples of such conservative books flash by, all of them screaming for blood, exalting the imperial state, decrying the very basis of civilization (peace), and demanding the jailing of dissidents, and one more: something denouncing Democrats.

Sean Hannity's Deliver Us From Evil combines chauvinism and sacrilege, PJ O'Rourke's Peace Kills finds humor in slaughter, Ann Coulter's Treason imagines internment as a permanent solution to the problem of political dissent, and there are a hundred other books striking similar things available from the same service.

All of this can be yours for next-to-nothing down, and only a promise to buy more later should your will to kill fail you as the months pass by.

So there we have it. The magic of the marketplace, delivering via your computer screen straight to your doorstep, for only a buck, hundreds of pages of the most violent rhetoric put between covers since Progress Publishers collected Stalin's speeches.

This is conservatism. There's no use in denying it. The war party and American conservatism are interchangeable and inseparable. They are synonyms. The same thing. They co-exist. How many ways can we put it? Militarism and violence is at the core of conservatism...

The Violence of Conservatism by Jeffrey A. Tucker

Im going out on a limb here, you havent read any of them have you?

 

[garyd]

Okay first things first things first Rockwell is a clueless idiot who is lying through his teeth on all three counts.

2nd Conservatism is on the whole far less authoritarian and far less violent than Socialism and very likely always will be.

 

[xsited1]

Uh, no. Liberals stand for many things like free markets and freedom of speech, but they are anything but Democrats. (Well, there might actually be a few Democrats who are true liberals, but not too many.) The meaning of the word 'Liberal' has been corrupted by contemporary American liberals, so the modern political definition of 'liberal' and what it was at the beginning of the country are diametrically opposed.

I recommend you update what you think you know about the word 'liberal'.

Funny enough, he linked LewRockwell.com who is a loud advocate for true/classical liberalism. Yet Bfgrn is a strong advocate of tyranny in terms of economics.

I am well aware of what classic liberalism is...It is what I believe in.

...

No, you're not. Try again.

 

[DamnYankee]

1) Whatever the "state" of the economy is at the conclusion of one administration, is it a fair and accurate statement for ANY incoming president to say he's inheriting that "state" or situation?

Absolutely.

Now, is it also fair and accurate to state that ANY rise/fall after noon on January 20, 2009 is not inherited?

 

[Bfgrn]

1) Whatever the "state" of the economy is at the conclusion of one administration, is it a fair and accurate statement for ANY incoming president to say he's inheriting that "state" or situation?

Absolutely.

Now, is it also fair and accurate to state that ANY rise/fall after noon on January 20, 2009 is not inherited?

NO...not if you're being realistic... i.e. a plant closing down at 1PM on January 20, 2009 is the new administrations responsibility to address going forward, but the PROBLEMS that brought about that closing are not craeted in a HOUR...

Do you possess ANY common sense NO BIZ?

 

[editec]

We have no shortage of self prclaiming conservatives on this very board who are calling for civil war, and who claim to be preparing for civil war, do we?

Civil war doesn't sound like a conservative value to me, but hey...what do I know?

 

[del]

We have no shortage of self prclaiming conservatives on this very board who are calling for civil war, and who claim to be preparing for civil war, do we?

Civil war doesn't sound like a conservative value to me, but hey...what do I know?

name one