The video I just saw from the trial of the Floyd incident with the audio of the crowd around looked pretty bad

[Care4all]

This death was for passing a counterfeit $20 bill... Not for Floyd carrying a gun robbing a place, not for Floyd raping someone, not for Floyd beating the crap out of someone, not for selling drugs to kids, not for creating counterfeit money etc etc etc..... His arrest was for a $20 crime....

Do you often use counterfeit $20 bills for your purchases?

I could have, if I didn't know it was counterfeit.

 

[Care4all]

And maybe smaller guys afraid of anyone tall and big and black, shouldn't be a cop, and find a job more suitable for their capabilities.

 

[Care4all]

There was a couple, in that same store, earlier that morning that tried to pass a counterfeit $20, but they were simply given the bill back, and let to leave....

 

[BS Filter]

This death was for passing a counterfeit $20 bill... Not for Floyd carrying a gun robbing a place, not for Floyd raping someone, not for Floyd beating the crap out of someone, not for selling drugs to kids, not for creating counterfeit money etc etc etc..... His arrest was for a $20 crime....

Do you often use counterfeit $20 bills for your purchases?

I could have, if I didn't know it was counterfeit.

Perhaps the cops would like to find out where he got that counterfeit bill. Duh!

 

[BS Filter]

There was a couple, in that same store, earlier that morning that tried to pass a counterfeit $20, but they were simply given the bill back, and let to leave....

Do you have the link to that?

 

[progressive hunter]

There was a couple, in that same store, earlier that morning that tried to pass a counterfeit $20, but they were simply given the bill back, and let to leave....

if true it would make sense the clerk called the cop when a second on appeared,,, wwas it the same bill and a group was working together??

 

[SC Patriot]

That poor man was held for 9 minutes unable to move. Sure he had his issues. So did I when I was younger. It doesn't mean I should have had my claustrophobia tested. Based on what saw? That cop was one of the bad cops.

He certainly seems negligent. The video I saw was pretty ******* bad. The cop may well just be a brazen dumb ****. Intent to murder would have had to come in the moment...because they tried to put Floyd in the back of a cop car and he would not cooperate and he asked to lay on the ground.

I have no doubt he did something in the car to warrant his being tossed on the ground. But in cuffs with 4 cops, he did not need to be held with a knee on neck for over 9 minutes.

The racists are seeking justification for the public execution of a black man. Behavior while in custody, past record, drug use, anything.

When you see the entire video it's evident that Floyd was in a drugged mania state.

So what if he was? How would that give a cop justification for killing him? What kind of other stuff do you think offers approval for random cops to commit murder or manslaughter? Should random cops be allowed to commit other crimes?

Prove it was murder.

Not my job. We all saw him kill the guy. A judge and jury are in the process of determining if he committed murder or manslaughter, but we all saw the cop kill the guy.

No, you all THOUGHT you saw it, based on your "extensive" knowledge from watching TV, one assumes. The autopsy report tells us that Floyd didn't die from the knee on the neck.

That's Not True.... the final autopsy report from the medical examiner ruled it a homicide due to the officer's restraining force....

What the medical examiner said killed him...


Dr. Stephen Nelson, chairman of Florida's medical examiners commission, who is not affiliated with the case, reviewed the new files and says that doesn't mean the drugs or health condition is what caused Floyd's death.

"We've all had cases where those kinds of of levels come into play. You've got to look at the whole picture," Nelson said. "It's one thing to die *with* something. It's another thing to die *from* something."

The documents say Baker performed the autopsy before watching the videos of police restraining Floyd, with Officer Derek Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck, because Baker wanted to avoid bias in his autopsy.

In the Medical Examiner Baker's final report after watching the videos, he ruled Floyd's death a homicide caused by "law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

The FBI asked the Armed Forces Medical Examiner to review Baker's autopsy and they agreed with his findings, writing "his death was caused by the police subdual and restraint" with cardiovascular disease and drug intoxication contributing."

New court docs say George Floyd had "fatal level" of fentanyl in his system

This guy isn't affiliated with the case. His opinion means absolutely nothing. On the other hand, he does admit that the cop wasn't responsible for the death because the victim had heart disease and a lethal dose of fentanyl. You can't convict the cop for murder if the victim had given himself a lethal dose of fentanyl. Case closed.

The medical examiner Baker, DID THE AUTOPSY silly one...., he determined the CAUSE OF DEATH.

What did he say was the cause of death, idiot.

Oh jiminee cricket!

I highlighted what the medical examiner put in his final report as the cause, several times in this thread...



In the Medical Examiner Baker's final report after watching the videos, he ruled Floyd's death a homicide caused by "law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression"

"after watching the video"? The autopsies with which I have been familiar depended on EXAMINATION OF THE DEAD BODY-----grossly and microscopically -----and some lab tests

...read the article

he performed the autopsy, then he examined the evidence and circumstances.

still not impressed. Neck compression that leads to DEATH reveals actual tissue findings ON AUTOPSY---something----at least some crushed cartilage----asphyxiation leads to all kinds of stuff-----where are the "SLIDES" ? -----the little glass things to place on a microscope?

Why are you disagreeing with three independent autopsy reports declaring cardiopulmonary arrest caused by asphyxiation/homicide as the cause of death? Are you a medical examiner?

Lethal dose of Fentanyl might have something to do with that. Duh!

Duh is the keyword in your response and no matter how much you blow your cop hero he is going to jail and he and his family will pay a price for his jackassery and crimes.

He? Yes. Likely.

Deserved. I have little doubt. Likely so.

But you are cheering the fact that his family will ALSO pay the price?

Thats just ******* sick.

How was I cheering? I was pointing out his family will suffer from his crime. You are simply in denial of what happens to a person's family when a person is convicted of a heinous and well-publized crime.

I will concede to that.

But if it were my post?

I would have said "now his innocent family needs to suffer the consequences of his illegal actions"

And that is only if I was asked about the consequences to his family.....which you were not by the way

You? here is what you said.....

"his family will pay a price for his jackassery and crimes".....showing no compassion for them whatsoever.

That was my point.

 

[BS Filter]

This death was for passing a counterfeit $20 bill... Not for Floyd carrying a gun robbing a place, not for Floyd raping someone, not for Floyd beating the crap out of someone, not for selling drugs to kids, not for creating counterfeit money etc etc etc..... His arrest was for a $20 crime....

Do you often use counterfeit $20 bills for your purchases?

I could have, if I didn't know it was counterfeit.

According to the store clerk testimony he knew it was counterfeit. Liar.

Surveillance video captures moments of normalcy before George Floyd's arrest

A Cup Foods employee who sold George Floyd cigarettes shortly before his death said he offered to pay out of pocket to cover what he believed was a counterfeit bill.

www.ksdk.com

 

[SC Patriot]

There was a couple, in that same store, earlier that morning that tried to pass a counterfeit $20, but they were simply given the bill back, and let to leave....

Curious. How do you know that? I doubt it is documented because there is a statute that says (paraphrased) if you, as a receiver of a bill, deem it counterfeit based on obvious irregularities or based on more advanced techniques such as the strip in the bill, you are required by law to confiscate the bill and to report it to local authorities"

So just to be clear....according to your post....the establishment broke the law and reported themselves?

Are you sure.

Really?

Are you really sure about that?

 

[SC Patriot]

This death was for passing a counterfeit $20 bill... Not for Floyd carrying a gun robbing a place, not for Floyd raping someone, not for Floyd beating the crap out of someone, not for selling drugs to kids, not for creating counterfeit money etc etc etc..... His arrest was for a $20 crime....

Do you often use counterfeit $20 bills for your purchases?

I could have, if I didn't know it was counterfeit.

Merchants know what to look for as it pertains to counterfeit bills.

Now you are just arguing for the sake of winning.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Has anyone seen that specific video before? With the crowd pleading with police? I had not.

It will be a great day in America when the typical Trump voter watches the video and lets their humanity overcome their political obsessions.

what I learned in the trial that really pisses me off is that the justice department has long warned police departments to get a handcuffed suspect off their stomach when laying on the ground with arms restrained behind their back. The diaphragm and lungs have no room to expand and difficulty in breathing would be next to impossible even without the added restraints of a knee on the neck and a second police officer on his back and third officer on his legs. Justice department guidelines also state a person in this position being unable to breathe have natural reactions to jerk and try to raise up and this could be mistaken as evidence that they are continuing to try to resist.

And another thing that pisses me off that we learned from the trial is the first arriving officers we’re so quick to pull their weapons on George Floyd and he panicked. It’s all over a $20 counterfeit bill and there are proper procedures on that if it is not already would be get get his name and ID tell him that detectives will be following up. We are not here to arrest you. There is the possibility that he didn’t know it was counterfeit. I know the racists in the world will never except that and he may have known but it seems very strange to me that he and two other friends having spent a counterfeit bill hung around at the scene long enough for cops to arrive.

But even after that and the scuffle inside the police car there is no justification for holding a man down with a knee on the neck like that for more than one minute. You talk to him and give him a chance to stop resisting and if he does resist you restrain him again. You don’t kill him. And I think Chauvin killed him intentionally because even when when he was told thatFloyd had no pulse the stayed on for two more minutes and then even the EMS medic had to kind of pull his knee off the neck after Floyd has long since been dead. It looks like to me chauvin was trying to teach the people watching what happens if you try to resist arrest and he just didn’t give a damn if he was killing somebody to do it.

 

[Chillicothe]

Do you often use counterfeit $20 bills for your purchases?
......................According to the store clerk testimony he knew* it was counterfeit. Liar.

(that is, Floyd 'knew')

Golly, I'm a tad reluctant to call out the "BS Filter" avatar once again. After highlighting the avatar's evident bigotry and racism with it's use of the epithet "nyggaz" (check my spelling on that).

But, if the forum doesn't try to help certain avatars to become better, more responsible posters, well, then we will continue to suffer with the contributions of the uninformed, ill-informed, or the mendacious.

Now, to be clear, the hand-inside-the-avatar-puppet likely belongs to a well-educated, or at least somewhat educated, alert, and civic minded individual. It's just that the hired avatar is apparently an uninformed an irresponsible racist.
I say that to make it clear we are referencing with a puppet and not the puppet-master.

So, with that said, let's go right straight to the observation that the avatar of "BS Filter" has again demonstrated a rather notable lack of preparation, homework, or due diligence.

For example he states in the post #348, this: "According to the store clerk testimony he knew it was counterfeit."
And then goes on to call another poster, Care4all, a "liar".

It is disappointing that the avatar "BS Filter" then links us to reportage that he suggests backs up his assertion.
Alas, that lack of due diligence raises it's ugly head to show us that "BS Filter" either didn't read his own source, or cannot read at all. I'll make no judgement on either.

Anyway, here is what BS Filter's very own source states in their reportage:

"During cross-examination by the defense, Martin clarified that he didn't believe Floyd knew he was using a fake bill."
And....
"The reason they decided to do so was "because we had a good enough relationship with him (George Floyd) and we felt like he didn't know it was counterfeit," Nelson said."

See?
So it is with sincere wishes to help poster BS Filter be a better more responsible poster here, so that he will not continue to look foolish and undereducated.

Just sayin'.
And peace.

 

[BS Filter]

Do you often use counterfeit $20 bills for your purchases?
......................According to the store clerk testimony he knew* it was counterfeit. Liar.

(that is, Floyd 'knew')

Golly, I'm a tad reluctant to call out the "BS Filter" avatar once again. After highlighting the avatar's evident bigotry and racism with it's use of the epithet "nyggaz" (check my spelling on that).

But, if the forum doesn't try to help certain avatars to become better, more responsible posters, well, then we will continue to suffer with the contributions of the uninformed, ill-informed, or the mendacious.

Now, to be clear, the hand-inside-the-avatar-puppet likely belongs to a well-educated, or at least somewhat educated, alert, and civic minded individual. It's just that the hired avatar is apparently an uninformed an irresponsible racist.
I say that to make it clear we are referencing with a puppet and not the puppet-master.

So, with that said, let's go right straight to the observation that the avatar of "BS Filter" has again demonstrated a rather notable lack of preparation, homework, or due diligence.

For example he states in the post #348, this: "According to the store clerk testimony he knew it was counterfeit."
And then goes on to call another poster, Care4all, a "liar".

It is disappointing that the avatar "BS Filter" then links us to reportage that he suggests backs up his assertion.
Alas, that lack of due diligence raises it's ugly head to show us that "BS Filter" either didn't read his own source, or cannot read at all. I'll make no judgement on either.

Anyway, here is what BS Filter's very own source states in their reportage:

"During cross-examination by the defense, Martin clarified that he didn't believe Floyd knew he was using a fake bill."
And....
"The reason they decided to do so was "because we had a good enough relationship with him (George Floyd) and we felt like he didn't know it was counterfeit," Nelson said."

See?
So it is with sincere wishes to help poster BS Filter be a better more responsible poster here, so that he will not continue to look foolish and undereducated.

Just sayin'.
And peace.

You omitted the part about the passenger in Floyd's car tearing up a bill and Floyd's refusing to come back to the store. Cherry picking lying dog-faced pony soldier. Go sell your holier than thou act to some naive college kids.

 

[WEATHER53]

That poor man was held for 9 minutes unable to move. Sure he had his issues. So did I when I was younger. It doesn't mean I should have had my claustrophobia tested. Based on what saw? That cop was one of the bad cops.

Let’s say the claustrophobia part was totally made up. I’ll go even farther and say he was just trying to avoid going to jail. Chauvin exceeded the necessary time to hold down Floyd by what....3 minutes after he stopped “resisting”? Stupid comes in all occupations unfortunately.

Violent criminals who resisted arrest get held down on the ground ---------in this case for 10 minutes and you think it a crime to hold them down on the ground. Holding him on the ground with a knee did not kill this criminal-----------it did nothing to him other than hold him on the ground where he could not hurt the officers or other people and you think the cop committed some crime holding this violent criminal down?

Floyd died of drug overdose...not being held down.

I for one am really tired of the stupid------Floyd died of overdose--why is this concept so hard to grasp. The drugs suppressed his lungs which sent him into cardiac arrest which killed him. Cop holding him on ground did not kill him.

They feel bad when they see the video. That’s All they can relate to. They would not want that to happen to them is their sole impetus. There is an available solution other than vilifying the police-don’t be a drug addicted criminal.

 

[WEATHER53]

Has anyone seen that specific video before? With the crowd pleading with police? I had not.

It will be a great day in America when the typical Trump voter watches the video and lets their humanity overcome their political obsessions.

what I learned in the trial that really pisses me off is that the justice department has long warned police departments to get a handcuffed suspect off their stomach when laying on the ground with arms restrained behind their back. The diaphragm and lungs have no room to expand and difficulty in breathing would be next to impossible even without the added restraints of a knee on the neck and a second police officer on his back and third officer on his legs. Justice department guidelines also state a person in this position being unable to breathe have natural reactions to jerk and try to raise up and this could be mistaken as evidence that they are continuing to try to resist.

And another thing that pisses me off that we learned from the trial is the first arriving officers we’re so quick to pull their weapons on George Floyd and he panicked. It’s all over a $20 counterfeit bill and there are proper procedures on that if it is not already would be get get his name and ID tell him that detectives will be following up. We are not here to arrest you. There is the possibility that he didn’t know it was counterfeit. I know the racists in the world will never except that and he may have known but it seems very strange to me that he and two other friends having spent a counterfeit bill hung around at the scene long enough for cops to arrive.

But even after that and the scuffle inside the police car there is no justification for holding a man down with a knee on the neck like that for more than one minute. You talk to him and give him a chance to stop resisting and if he does resist you restrain him again. You don’t kill him. And I think Chauvin killed him intentionally because even when when he was told thatFloyd had no pulse the stayed on for two more minutes and then even the EMS medic had to kind of pull his knee off the neck after Floyd has long since been dead. It looks like to me chauvin was trying to teach the people watching what happens if you try to resist arrest and he just didn’t give a damn if he was killing somebody to do it.

Fundamentally you reject the right of law enforcement to exist

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Fundamentally you reject the right of law enforcement to exist

I don’t reject the right of law enforcement to exist. You just lied So we know that you have a serious flaw in your character.

The vast majority of Police Departments in the nation have long banned the type of restraint that killed George Floyd. And now Minneapolis has banned it as well.

So when I call for that hold to be banned it’s because I reject the right of law enforcement to exist. And now that MINNEAPOLIS has banned it like most cities have, it means that law enforcement in Minneapolis has ceased to exist?

Please answer or explain why you felt the need to lie about me.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

I hate to tell the racist this, but George Floyd is NOT on trial here. It is amazing how you ass clowns keep claiming that he would have died that day no matter what. He is dead because of a racist ass, coward with a badge. This is the reason we need police reform, so that rogue cops like Chauvin will be held accountable when they break the law. As long as, they can get enough racist on the jury they know they will get away with anything they do against someone black.

He is dead because he overdosed on drugs---being held on the ground did nothing to him. THESE ARE THE FACTS you ignorant racist cop hater.

Come on Turtle Shit why can't you produce an AUTOPSY Report that says that is what he died from. You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the ass. Now you love cops again, funny how right wing, racist like you have no love for the cops at the Capitol. You are one racist hag.

Oh here we go again.....as you play manipulative games. Since when have I been expected much less asked to provide an autopsy. YOu can pull one up yourself. The Tox Report is ONLINE MORON (use your web browser).............he had more than enough Fentanyl to kill a horse not to mention all the other drugs in his system. He died of a drug overdose. WHICH btw, was a good thing for society as this was a violent awful man.

So show us the autopsy report that shows his cause of death was a drug overdose Turtle Shit. I guess now you racist hag you get to choose who lives and who dies. You made the claim so back it up otherwise you are just running that DS.

You are calling me racist?

That's what u r.

YOU ---the prejudice ignorant turd that as long as a criminal is black----any crime is just fine with you. Your love of black criminals is again very telling about your ignorant manipulative ass..........you wouldn't be if you weren't one.

Come on Turtle shit, you cam do better than that. Give us 3 black criminals I have defended.

Again, the tox report is online for all to see...........Floyd had all sorts of drugs in his system, and you can certainly take your lazy worthless manipulative ass and go get it for yourself.

You racist hag it doesn't state anywhere in that report that his cause of death was drug overdose.

Unless, what your current prison home is for some reason not allowing you to look up fellow criminals drug reports.

Your racist buddies will love that weak ass joke. Racist trash like you are always happy yo see a black man murdered.

It says he took a lethal dose of Fentanyl, you lying jigaboo.

Did it say it was the cause of death? Racist, redneck POS.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

I hate to tell the racist this, but George Floyd is NOT on trial here. It is amazing how you ass clowns keep claiming that he would have died that day no matter what. He is dead because of a racist ass, coward with a badge. This is the reason we need police reform, so that rogue cops like Chauvin will be held accountable when they break the law. As long as, they can get enough racist on the jury they know they will get away with anything they do against someone black.

He is dead because he overdosed on drugs---being held on the ground did nothing to him. THESE ARE THE FACTS you ignorant racist cop hater.

Come on Turtle Shit why can't you produce an AUTOPSY Report that says that is what he died from. You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the ass. Now you love cops again, funny how right wing, racist like you have no love for the cops at the Capitol. You are one racist hag.

Oh here we go again.....as you play manipulative games. Since when have I been expected much less asked to provide an autopsy. YOu can pull one up yourself. The Tox Report is ONLINE MORON (use your web browser).............he had more than enough Fentanyl to kill a horse not to mention all the other drugs in his system. He died of a drug overdose. WHICH btw, was a good thing for society as this was a violent awful man.

So show us the autopsy report that shows his cause of death was a drug overdose Turtle Shit. I guess now you racist hag you get to choose who lives and who dies. You made the claim so back it up otherwise you are just running that DS.

You are calling me racist?

That's what u r.

YOU ---the prejudice ignorant turd that as long as a criminal is black----any crime is just fine with you. Your love of black criminals is again very telling about your ignorant manipulative ass..........you wouldn't be if you weren't one.

Come on Turtle shit, you cam do better than that. Give us 3 black criminals I have defended.

Again, the tox report is online for all to see...........Floyd had all sorts of drugs in his system, and you can certainly take your lazy worthless manipulative ass and go get it for yourself.

You racist hag it doesn't state anywhere in that report that his cause of death was drug overdose.

Unless, what your current prison home is for some reason not allowing you to look up fellow criminals drug reports.

Your racist buddies will love that weak ass joke. Racist trash like you are always happy yo see a black man murdered.

It says he took a lethal dose of Fentanyl, you lying jigaboo.

No where does he use the word lethal, no where does he say Floyd died of a fatal does of any drug.

He said that a fatal dose for one human can be totally different for another human.... The human's size, and tolerance to the drug or drugs taken makes it vary.

He is just a racist, redneck POS.

 

[Chillicothe]

"You omitted the part about the passenger in Floyd's car...."

I'm sorry. I should have been clearer.
In fact, I did see that sentence you reference above.
And I read it.
It was in the very same article you provided as your source for asserting that Floyd knew it was counterfeit.

The very same article that reported this:

• "During cross-examination by the defense, Martin clarified that he didn't believe Floyd knew he was using a fake bill."
• ".......because we had a good enough relationship with him (George Floyd) and we felt like he didn't know it was counterfeit," Nelson said.

In the future, I'll work a bit harder to be clearer for some posters and their avatars.

 

[BS Filter]

I hate to tell the racist this, but George Floyd is NOT on trial here. It is amazing how you ass clowns keep claiming that he would have died that day no matter what. He is dead because of a racist ass, coward with a badge. This is the reason we need police reform, so that rogue cops like Chauvin will be held accountable when they break the law. As long as, they can get enough racist on the jury they know they will get away with anything they do against someone black.

He is dead because he overdosed on drugs---being held on the ground did nothing to him. THESE ARE THE FACTS you ignorant racist cop hater.

Come on Turtle Shit why can't you produce an AUTOPSY Report that says that is what he died from. You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the ass. Now you love cops again, funny how right wing, racist like you have no love for the cops at the Capitol. You are one racist hag.

Oh here we go again.....as you play manipulative games. Since when have I been expected much less asked to provide an autopsy. YOu can pull one up yourself. The Tox Report is ONLINE MORON (use your web browser).............he had more than enough Fentanyl to kill a horse not to mention all the other drugs in his system. He died of a drug overdose. WHICH btw, was a good thing for society as this was a violent awful man.

So show us the autopsy report that shows his cause of death was a drug overdose Turtle Shit. I guess now you racist hag you get to choose who lives and who dies. You made the claim so back it up otherwise you are just running that DS.

You are calling me racist?

That's what u r.

YOU ---the prejudice ignorant turd that as long as a criminal is black----any crime is just fine with you. Your love of black criminals is again very telling about your ignorant manipulative ass..........you wouldn't be if you weren't one.

Come on Turtle shit, you cam do better than that. Give us 3 black criminals I have defended.

Again, the tox report is online for all to see...........Floyd had all sorts of drugs in his system, and you can certainly take your lazy worthless manipulative ass and go get it for yourself.

You racist hag it doesn't state anywhere in that report that his cause of death was drug overdose.

Unless, what your current prison home is for some reason not allowing you to look up fellow criminals drug reports.

Your racist buddies will love that weak ass joke. Racist trash like you are always happy yo see a black man murdered.

It says he took a lethal dose of Fentanyl, you lying jigaboo.

Did it say it was the cause of death? Racist, redneck POS.

Ignorant spear chucker.