'The US isn't an option anymore': why California's immigrants are heading back to Mexico

[TNHarley]

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

That doesn't stop more than 50 percent of them staying here.
You both are right. We need to do both.

It would take years to build the wall but companies hiring illegals could have been addressed for years.

If we got REAL with illegals, we wouldn't need a wall

 

[pknopp]

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

That doesn't stop more than 50 percent of them staying here.
You both are right. We need to do both.

It would take years to build the wall but companies hiring illegals could have been addressed for years.

If we got REAL with illegals, we wouldn't need a wall

This is true.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Ever notice when there are immigration raids like at meat packing plants? Workers who are undocumented being carted off but never the owners of these plants. Start jailing those at the top and maybe imprisoning these employers might put a stop to illegals coming here.

If you can prove they didnt verify their status or were the victim of fraudulent papers

Those who enacted the raids said there was evidence the plants knew they were illegals. You don't hire that many at that and not know. It's impossible. Fraud papers are a bogus excuse as there is no way they can work without the OK from the federal government.

Ever notice when there are immigration raids like at meat packing plants? Workers who are undocumented being carted off but never the owners of these plants. Start jailing those at the top and maybe imprisoning these employers might put a stop to illegals coming here.

If you can prove they didnt verify their status or were the victim of fraudulent papers

Those who enacted the raids said there was evidence the plants knew they were illegals. You don't hire that many at that and not know. It's impossible. Fraud papers are a bogus excuse as there is no way they can work without the OK from the federal government.

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

Obviously as long as the jobs are here they will come. When they are not they leave. Odd You would argue for enforcing our laws and then slink away when the discussion revolves around enforcing our laws.

When the jobs aren't there the men find a puta. Pop out a jackpot baby and it's welfare easy street from then on.

One can not live here on the very limited welfare that would bring one.

When you are working for cash and not reporting anything welfare makes for nice nice xtra spending cash

The argument I replied to was saying they were not going to work. That their job was gone so they would just have a kid and live off welfare. Impossible. Since that is impossible why was it even suggested?

They do get free healthcare off you too....gee mommy why are rates so high

 

[westwall]

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

Obviously as long as the jobs are here they will come. When they are not they leave. Odd You would argue for enforcing our laws and then slink away when the discussion revolves around enforcing our laws.

Have no problem targeting employers. Cant be argued though libs try to handcuff any border enforcement......now avoid that again,,,,

It has nothing to do with anything. As long as the jobs are here they will come. Nothing we do at the borders will stop that. The jobs not being there will though.

But you obviously do have a problem with targeting employers.

As long as the illegal are protected by the progressive leftists, they will continue to come in and DRIVE ALL WAGES DOWN.

That's what having a large illegal population does, depresses the wage levels.

 

[pknopp]

Ever notice when there are immigration raids like at meat packing plants? Workers who are undocumented being carted off but never the owners of these plants. Start jailing those at the top and maybe imprisoning these employers might put a stop to illegals coming here.

If you can prove they didnt verify their status or were the victim of fraudulent papers

Those who enacted the raids said there was evidence the plants knew they were illegals. You don't hire that many at that and not know. It's impossible. Fraud papers are a bogus excuse as there is no way they can work without the OK from the federal government.

Ever notice when there are immigration raids like at meat packing plants? Workers who are undocumented being carted off but never the owners of these plants. Start jailing those at the top and maybe imprisoning these employers might put a stop to illegals coming here.

If you can prove they didnt verify their status or were the victim of fraudulent papers

Those who enacted the raids said there was evidence the plants knew they were illegals. You don't hire that many at that and not know. It's impossible. Fraud papers are a bogus excuse as there is no way they can work without the OK from the federal government.

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

Obviously as long as the jobs are here they will come. When they are not they leave. Odd You would argue for enforcing our laws and then slink away when the discussion revolves around enforcing our laws.

When the jobs aren't there the men find a puta. Pop out a jackpot baby and it's welfare easy street from then on.

One can not live here on the very limited welfare that would bring one.

When you are working for cash and not reporting anything welfare makes for nice nice xtra spending cash

The argument I replied to was saying they were not going to work. That their job was gone so they would just have a kid and live off welfare. Impossible. Since that is impossible why was it even suggested?

They do get free healthcare off you too....gee mommy why are rates so high

In the E.R. That's not really health care.

 

[pknopp]

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

Obviously as long as the jobs are here they will come. When they are not they leave. Odd You would argue for enforcing our laws and then slink away when the discussion revolves around enforcing our laws.

Have no problem targeting employers. Cant be argued though libs try to handcuff any border enforcement......now avoid that again,,,,

It has nothing to do with anything. As long as the jobs are here they will come. Nothing we do at the borders will stop that. The jobs not being there will though.

But you obviously do have a problem with targeting employers.

As long as the illegal are protected by the progressive leftists, they will continue to come in and DRIVE ALL WAGES DOWN.

That's what having a large illegal population does, depresses the wage levels.

It's not the "left" that protected their jobs the last four years. It was Trump and his supporters.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Ever notice when there are immigration raids like at meat packing plants? Workers who are undocumented being carted off but never the owners of these plants. Start jailing those at the top and maybe imprisoning these employers might put a stop to illegals coming here.

If you can prove they didnt verify their status or were the victim of fraudulent papers

Those who enacted the raids said there was evidence the plants knew they were illegals. You don't hire that many at that and not know. It's impossible. Fraud papers are a bogus excuse as there is no way they can work without the OK from the federal government.

Ever notice when there are immigration raids like at meat packing plants? Workers who are undocumented being carted off but never the owners of these plants. Start jailing those at the top and maybe imprisoning these employers might put a stop to illegals coming here.

If you can prove they didnt verify their status or were the victim of fraudulent papers

Those who enacted the raids said there was evidence the plants knew they were illegals. You don't hire that many at that and not know. It's impossible. Fraud papers are a bogus excuse as there is no way they can work without the OK from the federal government.

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

Obviously as long as the jobs are here they will come. When they are not they leave. Odd You would argue for enforcing our laws and then slink away when the discussion revolves around enforcing our laws.

When the jobs aren't there the men find a puta. Pop out a jackpot baby and it's welfare easy street from then on.

One can not live here on the very limited welfare that would bring one.

When you are working for cash and not reporting anything welfare makes for nice nice xtra spending cash

The argument I replied to was saying they were not going to work. That their job was gone so they would just have a kid and live off welfare. Impossible. Since that is impossible why was it even suggested?

They do get free healthcare off you too....gee mommy why are rates so high

In the E.R. That's not really health care.

Reallly........tell it to the insurance companies and hospitals

 

[westwall]

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

Obviously as long as the jobs are here they will come. When they are not they leave. Odd You would argue for enforcing our laws and then slink away when the discussion revolves around enforcing our laws.

Have no problem targeting employers. Cant be argued though libs try to handcuff any border enforcement......now avoid that again,,,,

It has nothing to do with anything. As long as the jobs are here they will come. Nothing we do at the borders will stop that. The jobs not being there will though.

But you obviously do have a problem with targeting employers.

As long as the illegal are protected by the progressive leftists, they will continue to come in and DRIVE ALL WAGES DOWN.

That's what having a large illegal population does, depresses the wage levels.

It's not the "left" that protected their jobs the last four years. It was Trump and his supporters.

It is the LEFT that has made it almost impossible to prevent them coming. It is the LEFT that has encouraged them to come. It is the LEFT that is PAYING them to stay.

In other words, you're not just wrong, but ridiculously wrong.

 

[pknopp]

Ever notice when there are immigration raids like at meat packing plants? Workers who are undocumented being carted off but never the owners of these plants. Start jailing those at the top and maybe imprisoning these employers might put a stop to illegals coming here.

If you can prove they didnt verify their status or were the victim of fraudulent papers

Those who enacted the raids said there was evidence the plants knew they were illegals. You don't hire that many at that and not know. It's impossible. Fraud papers are a bogus excuse as there is no way they can work without the OK from the federal government.

Ever notice when there are immigration raids like at meat packing plants? Workers who are undocumented being carted off but never the owners of these plants. Start jailing those at the top and maybe imprisoning these employers might put a stop to illegals coming here.

If you can prove they didnt verify their status or were the victim of fraudulent papers

Those who enacted the raids said there was evidence the plants knew they were illegals. You don't hire that many at that and not know. It's impossible. Fraud papers are a bogus excuse as there is no way they can work without the OK from the federal government.

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

Obviously as long as the jobs are here they will come. When they are not they leave. Odd You would argue for enforcing our laws and then slink away when the discussion revolves around enforcing our laws.

When the jobs aren't there the men find a puta. Pop out a jackpot baby and it's welfare easy street from then on.

One can not live here on the very limited welfare that would bring one.

When you are working for cash and not reporting anything welfare makes for nice nice xtra spending cash

The argument I replied to was saying they were not going to work. That their job was gone so they would just have a kid and live off welfare. Impossible. Since that is impossible why was it even suggested?

They do get free healthcare off you too....gee mommy why are rates so high

In the E.R. That's not really health care.

Reallly........tell it to the insurance companies and hospitals

The hospitals would be the E.R.

That noted, we hire illegals to process our food and take care of out children. One would think people would want them to be healthy.

 

[pknopp]

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

Obviously as long as the jobs are here they will come. When they are not they leave. Odd You would argue for enforcing our laws and then slink away when the discussion revolves around enforcing our laws.

Have no problem targeting employers. Cant be argued though libs try to handcuff any border enforcement......now avoid that again,,,,

It has nothing to do with anything. As long as the jobs are here they will come. Nothing we do at the borders will stop that. The jobs not being there will though.

But you obviously do have a problem with targeting employers.

As long as the illegal are protected by the progressive leftists, they will continue to come in and DRIVE ALL WAGES DOWN.

That's what having a large illegal population does, depresses the wage levels.

It's not the "left" that protected their jobs the last four years. It was Trump and his supporters.

It is the LEFT that has made it almost impossible to prevent them coming. It is the LEFT that has encouraged them to come. It is the LEFT that is PAYING them to stay.

In other words, you're not just wrong, but ridiculously wrong.

Business encourages them to come.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Ever notice when there are immigration raids like at meat packing plants? Workers who are undocumented being carted off but never the owners of these plants. Start jailing those at the top and maybe imprisoning these employers might put a stop to illegals coming here.

If you can prove they didnt verify their status or were the victim of fraudulent papers

Those who enacted the raids said there was evidence the plants knew they were illegals. You don't hire that many at that and not know. It's impossible. Fraud papers are a bogus excuse as there is no way they can work without the OK from the federal government.

Ever notice when there are immigration raids like at meat packing plants? Workers who are undocumented being carted off but never the owners of these plants. Start jailing those at the top and maybe imprisoning these employers might put a stop to illegals coming here.

If you can prove they didnt verify their status or were the victim of fraudulent papers

Those who enacted the raids said there was evidence the plants knew they were illegals. You don't hire that many at that and not know. It's impossible. Fraud papers are a bogus excuse as there is no way they can work without the OK from the federal government.

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

Obviously as long as the jobs are here they will come. When they are not they leave. Odd You would argue for enforcing our laws and then slink away when the discussion revolves around enforcing our laws.

When the jobs aren't there the men find a puta. Pop out a jackpot baby and it's welfare easy street from then on.

One can not live here on the very limited welfare that would bring one.

When you are working for cash and not reporting anything welfare makes for nice nice xtra spending cash

The argument I replied to was saying they were not going to work. That their job was gone so they would just have a kid and live off welfare. Impossible. Since that is impossible why was it even suggested?

They do get free healthcare off you too....gee mommy why are rates so high

In the E.R. That's not really health care.

Reallly........tell it to the insurance companies and hospitals

The hospitals would be the E.R.

That noted, we hire illegals to process our food and take care of out children. One would think people would want them to be healthy.

If people hire illegals to care for their children, they deserve whatever they get. Illegals are popular kidnappers of children.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

That doesn't stop more than 50 percent of them staying here.
You both are right. We need to do both.

It would take years to build the wall but companies hiring illegals could have been addressed for years.

If we got REAL with illegals, we wouldn't need a wall

Open the border to hunting

 

[pknopp]

Ever notice when there are immigration raids like at meat packing plants? Workers who are undocumented being carted off but never the owners of these plants. Start jailing those at the top and maybe imprisoning these employers might put a stop to illegals coming here.

If you can prove they didnt verify their status or were the victim of fraudulent papers

Those who enacted the raids said there was evidence the plants knew they were illegals. You don't hire that many at that and not know. It's impossible. Fraud papers are a bogus excuse as there is no way they can work without the OK from the federal government.

Ever notice when there are immigration raids like at meat packing plants? Workers who are undocumented being carted off but never the owners of these plants. Start jailing those at the top and maybe imprisoning these employers might put a stop to illegals coming here.

If you can prove they didnt verify their status or were the victim of fraudulent papers

Those who enacted the raids said there was evidence the plants knew they were illegals. You don't hire that many at that and not know. It's impossible. Fraud papers are a bogus excuse as there is no way they can work without the OK from the federal government.

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

Obviously as long as the jobs are here they will come. When they are not they leave. Odd You would argue for enforcing our laws and then slink away when the discussion revolves around enforcing our laws.

When the jobs aren't there the men find a puta. Pop out a jackpot baby and it's welfare easy street from then on.

One can not live here on the very limited welfare that would bring one.

When you are working for cash and not reporting anything welfare makes for nice nice xtra spending cash

The argument I replied to was saying they were not going to work. That their job was gone so they would just have a kid and live off welfare. Impossible. Since that is impossible why was it even suggested?

They do get free healthcare off you too....gee mommy why are rates so high

In the E.R. That's not really health care.

Reallly........tell it to the insurance companies and hospitals

The hospitals would be the E.R.

That noted, we hire illegals to process our food and take care of out children. One would think people would want them to be healthy.

If people hire illegals to care for their children, they deserve whatever they get. Illegals are popular kidnappers of children.

Well that covers half of what I said.

 

[Indeependent]

So..some silver lining to the Pandemic?

'The US isn't an option anymore': why California's immigrants are heading back to Mexico

Years of anti-immigrant policies from the Trump administration have been magnified by insecurities resulting from the pandemic

www.theguardian.com

"...But they couldn’t stand the uncertainty. So, the grandmother, mom and two young children instead relocated across the southern border. The kids, both US citizens, are still able to cross the border to attend school.
“It’s not even that the country is not welcoming any more, it’s just not an option any more,” said Gallegos. “I hear that all the time from people here, and from friends and family in other countries.”
Javier Lua Figureo moved back to his home town in Michoacán, Mexico, three years ago, after living and working in California for a dozen years. Since the pandemic hit, several of his friends and family members have followed his lead, he said.
“Things aren’t perfect in Mexico,” Figureo said in Spanish. But at least there’s access to healthcare, and some unemployment benefits for those who need it, he added. “In comparison to what it was in the US, the situation for us in Mexico right now is much better.”"

Same thing happened after the 2008 Housing Crash.
Guess what?
Our economy recovered and they came back by the millions.

 

[Godboy]

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

A few people in this story left. I see no evidence of a mass exodus of immigrants.

 

[Godboy]

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

Obviously as long as the jobs are here they will come. When they are not they leave. Odd You would argue for enforcing our laws and then slink away when the discussion revolves around enforcing our laws.

There is an entire industry of under the table work. Landscaping, painting, carpentry, etc. They have never needed legit employment here.

 

[Quasar44]

So..some silver lining to the Pandemic?

'The US isn't an option anymore': why California's immigrants are heading back to Mexico

Years of anti-immigrant policies from the Trump administration have been magnified by insecurities resulting from the pandemic

www.theguardian.com

"...But they couldn’t stand the uncertainty. So, the grandmother, mom and two young children instead relocated across the southern border. The kids, both US citizens, are still able to cross the border to attend school.
“It’s not even that the country is not welcoming any more, it’s just not an option any more,” said Gallegos. “I hear that all the time from people here, and from friends and family in other countries.”
Javier Lua Figureo moved back to his home town in Michoacán, Mexico, three years ago, after living and working in California for a dozen years. Since the pandemic hit, several of his friends and family members have followed his lead, he said.
“Things aren’t perfect in Mexico,” Figureo said in Spanish. But at least there’s access to healthcare, and some unemployment benefits for those who need it, he added. “In comparison to what it was in the US, the situation for us in Mexico right now is much better.”"

They already all voted lol time to leave lol

 

[pknopp]

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

A few people in this story left. I see no evidence of a mass exodus of immigrants.

The ones who lost their jobs left.

 

[pknopp]

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

Yeah thats so much better than just enforcing the law

Ending the jobs would be enforcing the laws. No one is doing that.

Very little effort on front side, keeping them out and deporting. No jobs need ending.

Obviously as long as the jobs are here they will come. When they are not they leave. Odd You would argue for enforcing our laws and then slink away when the discussion revolves around enforcing our laws.

There is an entire industry of under the table work. Landscaping, painting, carpentry, etc. They have never needed legit employment here.

Only because it is permitted. A business that hires a handful of people really isn't the main problem either.

 

[Godboy]

and devastated some of the industries that rely on immigrant labor,

It's as I said, get rid of the jobs and they leave.

A few people in this story left. I see no evidence of a mass exodus of immigrants.

The ones who lost their jobs left.

Some people may have, but not most.