The US is falling behind China in technology

[Wuwei]

False connection. .......... Etc ..........

I agree with over 99% of what you posted. But as far as false connection I have a different perspective.

Sure, they stole technology and their cars don't meet the US standards. The people probably don't care and are glad to be able to afford one.

The US was rather lax in letting Chinese students in our universities doing critical research. We were lax in internet security, and selling them state of the art equipment that they could reverse-engineer. They are now on the path of leapfrogging us in critical areas. Hopefully our technology will be protected more in the future.

But you ignored the last paragraph in my OP which is a future problem beyond stealing:
China is on track to graduate twice as many STEM Ph.D.s as the U.S. by 2025. China now clearly tops the U.S. in practical AI applications, including facial recognition, voice recognition and fintech. They are moving forward faster than the US.

 

[rupol2000]

Sure, they stole technology and their cars don't meet the US standards. The people probably don't care and are glad to be able to afford one.

Are you ready to lose your child or mom because you have Chinese brakes on your car? You do not care? Why should they do not care?

 

[rupol2000]

Interestingly, the Chinese have practically no technology for making tool steel. Their wrenches are like chewing gum. Perhaps this is due to politics, so that they could not make edged weapons. But at the same time, the "other" China - Taiwan - knows how to make excellent steel. Taiwanese steel is the same as German steel.

 

[rupol2000]

The US was rather lax in letting Chinese students in our universities doing critical research. We were lax in internet security, and selling them state of the art equipment that they could reverse-engineer. They are now on the path of leapfrogging us in critical areas. Hopefully our technology will be protected more in the future.

Do you have information that the Chinese are producing their own microprocessors, and not buying them for assembly in the United States and Malaysia?

 

[rupol2000]

There is also a myth that China is a formidable nuclear power. According to wikipedia, they have only 320 warheads, and it is not known how many of them are active and what capabilities they have for delivery (I think they can only do this in the movie.)
There are 1750 active warheads in the US and 5800 in total.

 

[rupol2000]

For some reason, everyone is silent about high technologies in India. Despite the poverty, it is a very high-tech country, especially in the field of IT and biochemistry. In terms of the number of specialists, it is undoubtedly the leader in these areas.

 

[rupol2000]

There is no hi-tech in China at all. Nobody knows anything about this. No one has seen a high-tech product from China, and no one has seen a quality product from China. Even what is produced there under the licenses of Western brands is 3-5 times worse and cheaper than that, these brands produce in other countries.

 

[rupol2000]

 

[Indeependent]

I agree with over 99% of what you posted. But as far as false connection I have a different perspective.

Sure, they stole technology and their cars don't meet the US standards. The people probably don't care and are glad to be able to afford one.

The US was rather lax in letting Chinese students in our universities doing critical research. We were lax in internet security, and selling them state of the art equipment that they could reverse-engineer. They are now on the path of leapfrogging us in critical areas. Hopefully our technology will be protected more in the future.

But you ignored the last paragraph in my OP which is a future problem beyond stealing:
China is on track to graduate twice as many STEM Ph.D.s as the U.S. by 2025. China now clearly tops the U.S. in practical AI applications, including facial recognition, voice recognition and fintech. They are moving forward faster than the US.

Quality beats quantity.
China can't keep up with Elon Musk.

 

[rupol2000]

These houses seem to be made from ordinary planks that are used for packaging in transit. You can break the container for pipes and build such a house
Even in poor Russia they don't build houses like that, don't even build pigsties like that.
(In Russia, a worker's salary is about 400-600 dollars.)

 

[Wuwei]

Are you ready to lose your child or mom because you have Chinese brakes on your car? You do not care? Why should they do not care?

They are not exporting.

 

[Wuwei]

Interestingly, the Chinese have practically no technology for making tool steel. Their wrenches are like chewing gum. Perhaps this is due to politics, so that they could not make edged weapons. But at the same time, the "other" China - Taiwan - knows how to make excellent steel. Taiwanese steel is the same as German steel.

That may be one of the reasons they want to invade Taiwan.

 

[rupol2000]

They are not exporting.

But why do you say that they do not care?

 

[Wuwei]

Here is another picture.

 

[rupol2000]

Here is another picture.

This is an illustrative picture of the Chinese government, especially for foreigners. But I suspect that glass is periodically falling out there, and once a month someone kills with a detached door.

 

[Wuwei]

These houses seem to be made from ordinary planks that are used for packaging in transit. You can break the container for pipes and build such a house
Even in poor Russia they don't build houses like that, don't even build pigsties like that.
(In Russia, a worker's salary is about 400-600 dollars.)

I am not trying to defend the Chinese, but America better wake up. This is a street in LA.

 

[rupol2000]

I am not trying to defend the Chinese, but America better wake up. This is a street in LA.

It's a bullshit. If these are living conditions in the United States, then how do half of black in Queens live on welfare and still wear fur coats and gold crosses? These are just hippies, idiots or foreigners. Show me the houses built from transport boxes.
In the United States, the average salary is $4000, which is about 10 times more than in China.

 

[Mushroom]

They are now on the path of leapfrogging us in critical areas.

No, I did not. Because no matter what, China has yet to be an "Originator nation".

And in most ways, Japan is barely one. Both have largely simply made items that were actually created by others. China is still not even to where Japan was 40 years ago in regards to actually designing and creating their own products. They simply copy the work of others. Or make it for them under contract.

Case in point, look at most Japanese electronics until fairly recently. Yes, they did them good, they did them cheaply, but what was ever actually "original"?

The answer, not much. The TV, the VCR, the home computer, all US inventions. They simply did some changes is all. But they did not "create" them. Probably the single largest "origination" was the CD. A further evolution of the Western Electric "Video Disk" (licensed to Pioneer as the "Laser Disk"), then simply reduced in size and the data digital instead of analog. And evolution, but not really a "creation".

They took several steps in the evolution of many products, but originated very little. Heck, even the NES started as yet another 3rd generation game system, little evolved from the Atari VCS. And the Sony Playstation was just a 5th generation console, still following the obvious path that started with the Fairchild Chanel F (or the original Magnavox Odyssey before that). It took Microsoft to show them they did not have to be beige, and lie flat on the desk like a record player.

This is the kind of stagnation that is actually common in both China and Japan, it is just the culture. Where "innovation" and "change" is actually looked down upon in general, and the next item is generally the same as the last. Japan has gotten better over the decades, and now we are actually seeing them often taking "leaps of faith", which sometimes work and sometimes do not (Nintendo Wii).

But China is not even there yet, not even close. Feel free to look at any items designed in China. They are decades behind anything designed in the US. And it is not even consumer electronics. Even their military equipment is basically the same. Still copies of old Soviet era equipment, just with a fancy paint job and new name.

And want to see all that end? Simply find a way for the US companies to return to manufacturing in other countries. Or even back home.

Trust me, I have been studying technology trends and evolution for decades. And "reverse engineer" is just another way to say "copy". And yes, China will likely do that again. But you keep missing the point.

They will never actually design and make the items that people need.

Oh, they might someday, but not for a great many decades (if ever). All they do is copy what others actually create.

Heck, just a few years ago China finally "created" their first CPU.

*drumroll*

The Zhaoxin, a licensed X86 clone. It is roughly the equivalent of a 4-5 year old AMD or Intel processor that sold for around $150. No hyper-threading, a fraction of the cache, even the cheap computers at a discount department store are better and cheaper. But they are selling like crazy, because China is starting to mandate that they should only buy domestically made products.

 

[Mushroom]

I am not trying to defend the Chinese, but America better wake up. This is a street in LA.

That is because of a failing Socialist state government that has lost touch with the citizens of the state. That is also why that is the state with the fastest shrinking population.

Please do not use LA or any of California as a comparison to most of the US. There is a reason I fled that state and will never return.

 

[rupol2000]

but America

If the Chinese were buying goods made in the USA, they would not have enough for a bowl of rice. Ribok sneakers bought in the USA for a Chinese will cost about 1/3 wages per month.