The Two Best Presidents of Your Lifetime

[Zincwarrior]

Trump rebranded NAFTA as the USMCA, and now he is bitching about the "unfair" tariffs HE created!

Positively schizophrenic.

This is true. Inversely Clinton had a strong economy and his deficits were increasingly small.

Given who is on there I would say Reagan and Eisenhower. Ike was a steady hand during a crucial part of the Cold War, with a good economy and low deficits.

Reagan blew out budget deficits but his vision of ending the USSR was, well visionary.
I liked Nixon more than Ike as his international strategies were excellent. However, one of them began the opening of China. Hindsight proves that was probably a very bad thing.

While Johnson had many errors, he was instrumental in getting the 1964 Civil Rights Act passed.

 

[luiza]

Ike was most disingenuous. He complained about the MIC as he’s headed out the door, yet he was instrumental in expanding it. He allowed the demonic and criminal Dulles brothers free reign. The CIA went wild during his presidency.

If anyone had the clout and recognized authority to curtail the MIC and CIA without ending up assassinated in broad daylight, it was Ike.

Agree Ike was cute .
But everything I have learned about MIC suggests that it was utterly impossible for him to bring them to heel .

And this is one of the most interesting alleged things aboutTrumpfy .

That , allegedly , he can .

Complete nonsense , imho .
But letting it look that way is perfect for MIC and also for Trumpfy , given that he is primarily fundamental Chabad and therefore as bad as Nutty Yahoo .

 

[initforme]

I've lived here a long time and am still waiting for what I would consider a good one.

 

[marvin martian]

I specifically added this sentence "There are no right or wrong answers, it is just your opinion and your lived experiences." solely for people like yourself, and still, it was not enough.

I'm rather enjoying seeing the board show you that we don't think much of your heroes.

 

[Auld Phart]

Clinton opened up trade with China as an MFN country. He also signed NAFTA.

He also signed NAFTA.

after Bush had done all the legwork.

(rumor has it, he made promises to some congressmen for their vote, then after it passed, he reneged.)

 

[Clipper]

Yeah, I just added another sentence about that at the end of my post.

Today's New Right would like to abolish the EPA and be able to see the air they are breathing and let the oligarchs bury toxins in their back yards again.

They came to this opinion because they are being influenced by those very same oligarchs through their favorite propaganda outlets.

That's why Boss Hogg Trump & his lackey's like "10 commandments" Mike Johnson are ending EV tax breaks & scuttling the climate change agenda. The bastards are owned by Big Oil & other energy giants. Smirking Johnson is from Louisiana & no way was the bastard going to allow those EV tax cuts to continue, no matter what Musk wants. Those s.o.b's love clean air & water- but only for themselves & the "rabble" can bitch all they want to.

 

[gipper]

Agree Ike was cute .
But everything I have learned about MIC suggests that it was utterly impossible for him to bring them to heel .

And this is one of the most interesting alleged things aboutTrumpfy .

That , allegedly , he can .

Complete nonsense , imho .
But letting it look that way is perfect for MIC and also for Trumpfy , given that he is primarily fundamental Chabad and therefore as bad as Nutty Yahoo .

Absolutely agree about Don. I think a big reason why he won the R nomination and election of 2016 is he distanced himself from the neocons. I loved how he denigrated Jeb Bush and the neocon warmongers, including crazy Hillary. However as you say, it was all for show.

 

[gipper]

He saw the danger in what he helped to build and expand, all of what you said is true, but his prescient warning did little to stop what was coming and remains here today.

It's worth saying that not only armament manufacturers profit from the MIC, there are so many smaller corporations that have nothing to do with military equipment that benefit from their share of the MIC, it really is corporate socialism at its core, spread far and wide, albeit a violent and deadly form of it.

Agreed. Much of the US economy is driven by war. We’ve become a warmongering nation. Politicians have stated war is good because it helps the economy. WTF!

All this is in direct contradiction to everything the Founders believed about foreign relations and nonintervention.

 

[lg325]

There are things I liked about all of them and things I did not.

 

[gipper]

The first five years or so after WW 2 most likely set the direction of the deep state going. We made the Soviet Union our enemy. And we even ended up with the Eastern bloc communist nations and a wall. Almost complete power over the rest of the world and a growing central government dictatorial policing/spy presence.

Agreed. Truman regretted creating the CIA. Big mistake.

 

[TNHarley]

I think they all suck but if i had to pick one, it would be JFK. Just because he seemed genuine.

 

[gipper]

My favorite on the list is Dwight D. Eisenhower, but I was not alive then.

Lol.

Would you like to explain why you think this or is it purely subjective?

 

[gipper]

I think they all suck but if i had to pick one, it would be JFK. Just because he seemed genuine.

He did try to end US imperialism, the Cold War, and the Zionist regime getting the bomb. Some say these policies lead to his assassination.

 

[sartre play]

Yeah, it had nothing to do with Nixon being a crook and being caught on his own tapes.

D33P STAIT! D33P STAIT!

Nixon WAS the Deep State.

Nonetheless, Nixon did create the EPA with bipartisan support. He also opened China to the West.

Most of Trump's cult of personality don't even know these facts.

Imagine that. Republicans created the EPA!

It had something to do with our rivers catching fire every year and being able to see the air you were breathing.

Not all but most presidents did some real good things & also made some very sorry messes,
I only voted for IKE,
Because could not decide between CLINTON or OBAMA each had a killer good ONE term.
Who ever I pick now ,must love America more than money.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

We all have a different lifetime, some by multiple decades. In the years you have lived, who would you consider the two best Presidents of your lifetime? There are no right or wrong answers, it is just your opinion and your lived experiences.

I chose Obama, because I'm liberal, and liberals are dumb.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Donald Trump makes all the others look brilliant.

Reagan is, and always has been, number one with me. He is spinning in his grave at light speed over the organization formerly known as the Republican Party turning into an adjunct to KGB Putin.

Bill Clinton looks like a saint next to the professional and personal failings of Donald Trump, so I have to give him props for creating the most jobs out of everyone on the list. No one after him has even come close.

Nor has anyone matched Clinton's GDP growth since then.

Clinton and the Republicans also did a pretty good job of getting the debt and deficits under control. Unfortunately, George Dubya Bush pissed it all away.

See the problem is you're stupid G5000, and TDS is a problem. I think your bias and denial of things has cost you a lot of critical thought, similar all liberals.

Clinton created jobs, so he's #2 you say. What happened, did the feds hire a shithole of employees? Since when does a POTUS act alone, ever heard of Congress, and Senate? Well, the Republicans were running both when Clinton was "creating jobs".

Ever heard of the Internet, increased Chinese trade, and globalization? Sure you have, Clinton built that shit (cough!).

 

[odanny]

Lol.

Would you like to explain why you think this or is it purely subjective?

Nah, I'm good.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

Reagan and Trump

 

[Independent thinker]

We all have a different lifetime, some by multiple decades. In the years you have lived, who would you consider the two best Presidents of your lifetime? There are no right or wrong answers, it is just your opinion and your lived experiences.

I didn't vote for Trump because his term is not over yet. The jury is still out. I voted for Reagan and, believe it or not, Bill Clinton. Reagan was just great and I voted for Bill Clinton because he was smart enough to know that voters overwhelmingly supported Republicans' "Contract With America" and went along with it, even though Republicans were twisting his arm behind his back and making him cry uncle. The fact that he went along with that instead of fighting it makes him the second best president we've had in recent times. Ask again in several more years and I might very well vote for Trump. He too is taking democrats with him, even though they are kicking and screaming, whether they like it or not. We need a president with balls up the wazoo.

 

[80zephyr]

Yeah, I just added another sentence about that at the end of my post.

Today's New Right would like to abolish the EPA and be able to see the air they are breathing and let the oligarchs bury toxins in their back yards again.

They came to this opinion because they are being influenced by those very same oligarchs through their favorite propaganda outlets.

What bullshit. We all want clean air and water. What we don't need is pristine air and water at the expense of our society.