The trump government has consistently claimed it has no control over the immigrants it sent to El Salvador

[Toddsterpatriot]

We should bring them back immediately and send them to Alligator Alcatraz.

I hear South Sudan is very nice this time of year.

 

[Nostra]

LOL. You expect people to believe you're an expert on FISA warrants?

You're just some sad random internet poster saying whatever is convenient for you.

Didn’t say I was an expert, but those are the facts. You have nothing, Moroner.

 

[Independent thinker]

Okay but you realize that's absurd, right? You're ineffectually trying to blame them for being tortured because of where they were sent by the regime. The regime too had a choice. It chose sending them to be tortured.

I have always been a big believer that people make their own choices and need to own it and lay in the bed that they made themselves. That's one of the differences between the left and the right.

If you choose to go to LA to protest immigration policies and you get hurt, whose fault is that? I say it is your fault you made the decision to go to an environment you knew would be hostile and dangerous, so it would be YOUR fault you got hurt. The left would say it was someone else's fault.

These illegals come here knowing that the trip itself is dangerous and you could die in the attempt. And, if you break laws coming here illegally bad things can happen to you. But, part of the fault does lie with the left for encouraging people to come here illegally, showing videos of border patrol helping you out of the water and giving you free food, water, lodging, healthcare, credit cards, phones, etc.

Why don't they just come here legally (which doesn't mean crossing the border illegally and then claiming asylum)?

 

[Rawley]

There is documentation to support the accusation.

There is a "document" LOL

Not that any of you lazy ***** bother to read anything that could possibly contradict dear leader's narrative.

And you big poopyhead. I win

 

[Rawley]

You never said that about the Biden regime lying to the FISA court numerous times.

Weird.

Not weird. He's a hyper-partisan hypocrite that couldn't give a flying **** about our "institutions."

 

[Marener]

There is a "document" LOL

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436.160.1.pdf

 

[Marener]

Didn’t say I was an expert, but those are the facts. You have nothing, Moroner.

You don't know the facts. You're an idiot.


More fundamentally, though, much of the commentary claiming some clear breach of protocol in the Carter Page FISA simply misunderstands what it means to say that a FISA application has been “verified.” It does not mean that every tip provided by a source has been independently corroborated. Rather, “verification” refers to the process laid out in the so-called “Woods procedures,” which require Justice Department officials to verify that representations made in a submission to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court match the information in the FBI’s investigative files. If the application relies upon a source for some claim, does the documentation in the case file support that the source actually said what the application presents the source as saying? In this case, then, “verification” would not mean the FBI had necessarily tracked down Steele’s own sources to corroborate his reporting. Rather, it would require that someone “verify” that when the application summarized what Steele had told the FBI, it did so accurately.

A Note on FISA "Verification"

Last week, former FBI Director James Comey testified before the House Judiciary and Oversight Committees in closed session. When, at Comey’s request, a transcript was released shortly thereafter, mainstream news outlets mostly yawned, finding relatively little new or noteworthy. But numerous...

www.justsecurity.org

 

[Rawley]

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436.160.1.pdf

Yes. I read it.

 

[Marener]

Yes. I read it.

Yes. You “read” it.

 

[Rawley]

Yes. You “read” it.

And that is the basis on which you are calling for the disbarment of unnamed DOJ attorneys for "lying" to a court. LOL

Have you ever been sanctioned for such accusations?

 

[berg80]

I have always been a big believer that people make their own choices and need to own it and lay in the bed that they made themselves. That's one of the differences between the left and the right.

If you choose to go to LA to protest immigration policies and you get hurt, whose fault is that?

The fault lies with the person or people perpetrating violence against protesters.

 

[Nostra]

You don't know the facts. You're an idiot.


More fundamentally, though, much of the commentary claiming some clear breach of protocol in the Carter Page FISA simply misunderstands what it means to say that a FISA application has been “verified.” It does not mean that every tip provided by a source has been independently corroborated. Rather, “verification” refers to the process laid out in the so-called “Woods procedures,” which require Justice Department officials to verify that representations made in a submission to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court match the information in the FBI’s investigative files. If the application relies upon a source for some claim, does the documentation in the case file support that the source actually said what the application presents the source as saying? In this case, then, “verification” would not mean the FBI had necessarily tracked down Steele’s own sources to corroborate his reporting. Rather, it would require that someone “verify” that when the application summarized what Steele had told the FBI, it did so accurately.

A Note on FISA "Verification"

Last week, former FBI Director James Comey testified before the House Judiciary and Oversight Committees in closed session. When, at Comey’s request, a transcript was released shortly thereafter, mainstream news outlets mostly yawned, finding relatively little new or noteworthy. But numerous...

www.justsecurity.org

Pathetic spin. Their lies have been well documented. One of them, Wray I believe, had to admit under oath the Russian propaganda dossier was not verified because it could not be verified. That's because is it all lies.

Where is that Pee pee tape, Simp?

Hmmmmmmm.............................

 

[berg80]

These illegals come here knowing that the trip itself is dangerous and you could die in the attempt. And, if you break laws coming here illegally bad things can happen to you.

Yes, it's a dangerous trip. Many make it in the hope of gaining asylum status. Something the regime has virtually done away with in violation of international law. You can't possibly be justifying the "bad things" like being sent to a prison known for its inhumane treatment of prisoners in which you are likely to spend the rest of your life, can you? Do you really believe that punishment fits the crime of crossing the border illegally?

 

[Nostra]

Republicans asked Wray about discipline for FBI employees involved in the missteps and abuses outlined in Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s bombshell FISA report. The FBI director called the actions in the report “unacceptable” and said every current FBI employee mentioned in the report had been referred to the Office of Professional Responsibility for a disciplinary review.

Wray repeatedly suggested that Durham might take further action against the FBI leadership from the time of the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation in 2016.

“Are all the individuals and agents and supervisors that were involved in all of these abuses … have they resigned or been fired or been removed from their position?” Rep. Greg Steube of Florida asked.

“At the more senior level of the FBI, the people involved I think in every respect I can think of are gone from the FBI,” Wray said. “And of course, there is an ongoing investigation by Mr. Durham, with which we’re actively cooperating and fully cooperating, I might add.”

Former bureau leaders such as FBI Director James Comey, FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, and FBI special agent Peter Strzok have been fired from the bureau in the past few years.


“You use the word ‘unacceptable’ — I would think you would find a stronger word for that over what has happened by the actions of people who sullied the reputations of every decent person at the FBI,” Rep. Tom McClintock of California said.

“For the current employees, the vast majority of the people involved in the conduct that you’re describing are no longer with the investigation, so they’re not subject to our disciplinary process in the first place,” Wray replied. “But there is, of course, as you know, the ongoing John Durham investigation, which we’ve been cooperating with fully as the attorney general himself has said. So I look forward to hopefully having another hearing with you at some point where we can have a very different conversation about the FBI.”

FBI Director Christopher Wray: Steele dossier and former FBI employees are being scrutinized - Washington Examiner

FBI Director Christopher Wray hinted during an appearance on Capitol Hill that U.S. attorney John Durham is scrutinizing British ex-spy Christopher Steele’s dossier as well as looking into former top FBI employees. During the Wednesday session, Rep. Jim Jordan, an Ohio Republican, asked Wray if...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Seymour Flops]

Don't we need to seperate the matter of the court's authority and the matter of the regime lying to the court and everyone else?

Lets take a look at the evidence that Teat Trump has been lying about its lack of control over the El Salvadoran prison system.

The document could present a problem for the administration because it seems to undermine a position that lawyers for the Justice Department and top Trump officials have taken time and again in front of Judge Boasberg.

it seems to, huh?

The lawyers for the Venezuelans also claimed that department lawyers knew about the document for months but failed to inform either them or the judge.

Oh, so the "evidence" comes from the criminal aliens' lawyers.

“We are pleased that El Salvador publicly told the truth about what we all knew: that it’s the United States that controls the fate of the Venezuelans,” said Lee Gelernt, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union, which, along with another legal group, Democracy Forward, has been representing the men. “That the United States did not provide us or the court with this information is extraordinary.”

Oh, the evidence comes from El Salvador?

Does that make it truthful?

 

[Independent thinker]

The fault lies with the person or people perpetrating violence against protesters.

If you go there knowing it is dangerous then you shouldn't cry about getting hurt. YOU made the choice to go to a known dangerous place. That actually goes for both sides.

 

[Independent thinker]

Yes, it's a dangerous trip. Many make it in the hope of gaining asylum status. Something the regime has virtually done away with in violation of international law. You can't possibly be justifying the "bad things" like being sent to a prison known for its inhumane treatment of prisoners in which you are likely to spend the rest of your life, can you? Do you really believe that punishment fits the crime of crossing the border illegally?

I used to watch Judge Judy a lot back in the day. She often cited the "clean hands" doctrine. In short, it says don't give me any of your crying bullshit when you did something illegal yourself (like crossing the border illegally).

 

[Orangecat]

Aww, crap. A document casts doubt.
Pass the ketchup.

 

[Doc7505]

Document Casts Doubt on White House’s Claims About Deported Venezuelans​

For the past several months, the Trump administration has insisted in court that it has no control over the nearly 140 Venezuelan immigrants it deported to a prison in El Salvador this spring under the powers of a rarely used wartime statute.

Both in filings and at hearings, Trump officials have asserted that because the men are being held by jailers in El Salvador, the Salvadoran government has control over their fate. The administration has repeatedly made that claim to argue that it has no real authority to bring the immigrants back itself.

On Monday, however, lawyers for the Venezuelan men produced a document indicating that the government of El Salvador recently told the United Nations that it, in fact, bears no legal responsibility for the men. The document, written in response to a U.N. inquiry examining some of the deportations, also claimed that the Salvadoran government was merely doing the United States’ bidding when it accepted the men into its prison system.

“The actions of the state of El Salvador have been limited to the implementation of a bilateral cooperation mechanism with another state, through which it has facilitated the use of the Salvadoran prison infrastructure for the custody of persons detained within the scope of the justice system and law enforcement of that other state,” the document said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/07/us/politics/trump-venezuelans-un-el-salvador-cecot.html

A claim made in response to questions raised about the timing of their deportation relative to a court order blocking it, the dubious authority under which the deportations were carried out, the due process the deportees were given, and the veracity of the allegations made against the deportees by DHS/DoJ.

I imagine Judge Boasberg is going to want to know from the DoJ attorneys when they became aware of the document and why they didn't tell the court about it. You know.......seeing as it undermines the government's position of having no control over the deportees now that they are in El Salvador.

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While Joey Xi Baidung and his buddy Mayorkas claimed they had control of the border and let an estimated 15 to 20 million illegal aliens into America.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, it's a dangerous trip. Many make it in the hope of gaining asylum status. Something the regime has virtually done away with in violation of international law. You can't possibly be justifying the "bad things" like being sent to a prison known for its inhumane treatment of prisoners in which you are likely to spend the rest of your life, can you? Do you really believe that punishment fits the crime of crossing the border illegally?

Many make it in the hope of gaining asylum status free stuff.