The true living God

[kjw47]

if god wants us to act a certain way, why did he give us free will.

He also created mortals to know only good, he knew it was best for flesh. Satans lie ruined it all. Mortals chose this satan ruled system. We have no choice. This system is nearing its end. In fact, Gods kingdom is mankinds only remaining hope.

You didn't answer my question.

He gave us free will to choose with that free will to listen to him and love him and appreciate all the good things. Few even know him.

Having to choose something or get punished isn't free will.

Not any different in our society now. Are you arguing I don’t have a choice in breaking a law or not? Seems to me the evidence that we do is overwhelming.

God gave every one freedom( free will) One can choose to murder, get drunk, fornicate, or do good things, share, etc,etc not the fake freedom promised by men. God created one human family.

 

[kjw47]

He also created mortals to know only good, he knew it was best for flesh. Satans lie ruined it all. Mortals chose this satan ruled system. We have no choice. This system is nearing its end. In fact, Gods kingdom is mankinds only remaining hope.

You didn't answer my question.

He gave us free will to choose with that free will to listen to him and love him and appreciate all the good things. Few even know him.

Having to choose something or get punished isn't free will.

Not any different in our society now. Are you arguing I don’t have a choice in breaking a law or not? Seems to me the evidence that we do is overwhelming.

So you’re saying that god is like a police state. God’s watching what we do to punish us if we step out of line?

How much value is everlasting life worth in Gods kingdom? How much value in this sick system of things? Only God is offering life everlasting, He created all life. We owe him all. He gave it to us for free. He just wants us to listen to his advice to the best path of lasting happiness. And love him like a Father for all he has done free of charge. He will do greater things in his kingdom.

 

[kjw47]

You didn't answer my question.

He gave us free will to choose with that free will to listen to him and love him and appreciate all the good things. Few even know him.

Having to choose something or get punished isn't free will.

Not any different in our society now. Are you arguing I don’t have a choice in breaking a law or not? Seems to me the evidence that we do is overwhelming.

So you’re saying that god is like a police state. God’s watching what we do to punish us if we step out of line?

No. I am arguing that God is the opposite of a police state. A police state would be a state that prevented you from violating it's laws. A real hands on state. God allows you to break them. A real hands off state.

1John 3--A description, like a mirror for all to peer into. It describes who are Gods children, and who are the devils children---It says--Its impossible for a child of God to practice even one sin. Yet at 1 Cor 6:9-11, and Galations 5:19-21 along with all the false god worship on earth and partaking off the table of demons-99% do practice at minimum one sin. Yet blind guides tell them all-you are saved orborn again. And they believe it.

 

[kjw47]

He also created mortals to know only good, he knew it was best for flesh. Satans lie ruined it all. Mortals chose this satan ruled system. We have no choice. This system is nearing its end. In fact, Gods kingdom is mankinds only remaining hope.

You didn't answer my question.

He gave us free will to choose with that free will to listen to him and love him and appreciate all the good things. Few even know him.

Having to choose something or get punished isn't free will.

All have been warned in advance.

Not free will, it’s like saying you have two choices a) and b), except that if you choose b) you’ll be shot dead. You wouldn’t say afterward that I gave you a choice.

God owns every iota of creation. He says what occurs in his creation, not the created. One can realize this and throw there pride away and live for entrance into Gods kingdom.

 

[Taz]

You didn't answer my question.

He gave us free will to choose with that free will to listen to him and love him and appreciate all the good things. Few even know him.

Having to choose something or get punished isn't free will.

Not any different in our society now. Are you arguing I don’t have a choice in breaking a law or not? Seems to me the evidence that we do is overwhelming.

So you’re saying that god is like a police state. God’s watching what we do to punish us if we step out of line?

How much value is everlasting life worth in Gods kingdom? How much value in this sick system of things? Only God is offering life everlasting, He created all life. We owe him all. He gave it to us for free. He just wants us to listen to his advice to the best path of lasting happiness. And love him like a Father for all he has done free of charge. He will do greater things in his kingdom.

You’d need some empirical evidence for god. Otherwise, it’s just made up stories.

 

[Taz]

You didn't answer my question.

He gave us free will to choose with that free will to listen to him and love him and appreciate all the good things. Few even know him.

Having to choose something or get punished isn't free will.

All have been warned in advance.

Not free will, it’s like saying you have two choices a) and b), except that if you choose b) you’ll be shot dead. You wouldn’t say afterward that I gave you a choice.

God owns every iota of creation. He says what occurs in his creation, not the created. One can realize this and throw there pride away and live for entrance into Gods kingdom.

Already time to move the goalposts?

 

[james bond]

You said you had empirical evidence for god, so where is it? Until then, nobody's established anything in that regard.

So I can't post anything questioning god's performance or I'm branded as a Satanist?

You are a follower of Satan. You are a hell's angel and probably get off on it. Just read your post #414 and the countless ones blaming God for creating evil when Lucifer created the first sin.

You, yourself said this. It means you believe God exists. I've tried to correct you on it as above, but to no avail.

If you want empirical evidence, then we found the chicken came before the egg in 2017. The enzyme on the eggshell is only produced by the ovaries of the hen. I discussed many others on the science and this board.

So you have no empirical evidence for god. I win.

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It means evolution destroyed. God wins. Are you going to ask me if you have to give up masturbation next ?

That’s not any kind of evidence. You dunce.

You are too stupid af to live nor comprehend how life is precious. That's not my fault. Let's move you to the atheist level lol..

Scientists Have Made A Transparent Eggshell So You Can See The Embryo Inside

 

[ding]

That’s odd because I have shared it with you dozens of times.

You have nothing. Not even anything interesting that might lead somewhere. Nada, Zilch.

Despite your objections I have quite a lot. We know from science that space and time had a beginning. Specifically, red shift, cosmic background radiation, Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations, quantum mechanics, the First Law of Thermodynamics, the Second Law of Thermodynamics and Inflation Theory.

Red shift, cosmic background radiation and Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations tells us that all matter and energy in the universe once occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of an atom and then began to expand and cool. The the First Law of Thermodynamics (i.e. conservation of energy) tells us that since that time matter and energy has only changed form. Which means that the atoms in our bodies were created from nothing when space and and time were created from nothing.

Red shift, cosmic background radiation, Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations and the Second Law of Thermodynamics tells us that space and time did have a beginning. If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. You cannot continue that history indefinitely. This is still true even if a universe has periods of contraction. It still has to have a beginning if expansion over weights the contraction. Physicists have been uncomfortable with the idea of a beginning since the work of Friedman which showed that the solutions of Einstein's equation showed that the universe had a beginning. The problem with a cyclical universe is with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. For every matter to energy or energy to matter exchange there is a loss of usable energy. So while the total energy of the universe does not decrease, the usable energy of the universe does decrease. If it is a periodic or cyclical universe then the entropy will increase with each cycle. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of nature which tells us that entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium and then it will stay in that state. A cyclical universe cannot avoid this problem. Since we do not see thermal equilibrium (good thing too because there would be no life) we know that the universe did have a beginning.

Inflation Theory, the First Law of Thermodynamics and quantum mechanics tells us that it is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

Same old fartsmoke.

You misspelled truth.

You can’t get ANYONE to agree with you. You lose.

If that were the case you wouldn’t be arguing about it.

 

[ding]

The laws of nature existed before space and time. How else did the creation of space and time follow them if they didn’t exist.

Maybe they came out at the same time? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW?

Matter and energy were created in accordance to the laws of nature which means the laws of nature existed before space and time.

Not it doesn’t. Stop lying.

It does. I’m not lying.

You lie that you know what was before the BB. Nobody knows that.

I just explained it to you. The laws of nature existed before the birth of the universe. So that was before the BB.

 

[onefour1]

God, aka our Father in Heaven is known by the title of Father because he is the literal father of the spirits of all mankind.

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

The scriptures teach us that we are his literal offspring:

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

We also ought not to think of him as some ethereal myst but that he is an exalted man who created us in his very image and likeness.

Genesis 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

When Jesus was resurrected, he received a body of flesh and bones that was immortal and was to never lay it down again. So it is with all of us. We are to resurrect with an immortal body to never die again.

Revelation 1:18
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Jesus taught that if you have seen him, then you have seen the Father. They look exactly alike.

Hebrews 1:1-3
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

 

[alang1216]

There is tons of evidence. It’s literally all around you. You have never considered the possibility so you have never examined the evidence. In fact, you don’t even realize there is evidence.

If I don't know there is evidence, it is safe to say I've never examined it. What I'm waiting for is someone to point it out to me.

I believe Taz is also waiting.

You want me to share it with you again?

Thanks but not necessary if you've already done so. It obviously didn't convince me the first time and probably won't in the future.

But you're wrong, I must have examined the 'evidence' you provided and I just didn't see it as evidence.

 

[alang1216]

That’s how I know the laws of nature existed before space and time.

The laws of nature are not like legislation that must be created, they are us putting structure onto the universe. It is like saying the laws of math existed before space and time because 1 + 1 always equal 2, it is true but it is meaningless.

 

[alang1216]

Do you understand the concept of thermal equilibrium? It isn’t possible for matter and energy to exist forever ever without equilibrating. So we do know that matter and energy had a beginning and in fact there is an elegant equation which shows how it is possible.

That only matters if the universe is an isolated system. Alternatively, the zero-energy universe hypothesis proposes that the total amount of energy in the universe is exactly zero: its amount of positive energy in the form of matter is exactly canceled out by its negative energy in the form of gravity.

Inflation theory is predicated on the fact that matter and energy must have a beginning.

That is not my understanding. Inflation theory is predicated on the fact that matter and energy occupied an infinitesimally small space at the time of the BB.

 

[ding]

There is tons of evidence. It’s literally all around you. You have never considered the possibility so you have never examined the evidence. In fact, you don’t even realize there is evidence.

If I don't know there is evidence, it is safe to say I've never examined it. What I'm waiting for is someone to point it out to me.

I believe Taz is also waiting.

You want me to share it with you again?

Thanks but not necessary if you've already done so. It obviously didn't convince me the first time and probably won't in the future.

But you're wrong, I must have examined the 'evidence' you provided and I just didn't see it as evidence.

Everything that was created is evidence.

 

[ding]

Do you understand the concept of thermal equilibrium? It isn’t possible for matter and energy to exist forever ever without equilibrating. So we do know that matter and energy had a beginning and in fact there is an elegant equation which shows how it is possible.

That only matters if the universe is an isolated system. Alternatively, the zero-energy universe hypothesis proposes that the total amount of energy in the universe is exactly zero: its amount of positive energy in the form of matter is exactly canceled out by its negative energy in the form of gravity.

Inflation theory is predicated on the fact that matter and energy must have a beginning.

That is not my understanding. Inflation theory is predicated on the fact that matter and energy occupied an infinitesimally small space at the time of the BB.

Your understanding of inflation is so poor that you didn’t realize you were using inflation to argue against inflation.

 

[ding]

Do you understand the concept of thermal equilibrium? It isn’t possible for matter and energy to exist forever ever without equilibrating. So we do know that matter and energy had a beginning and in fact there is an elegant equation which shows how it is possible.

That only matters if the universe is an isolated system. Alternatively, the zero-energy universe hypothesis proposes that the total amount of energy in the universe is exactly zero: its amount of positive energy in the form of matter is exactly canceled out by its negative energy in the form of gravity.

Inflation theory is predicated on the fact that matter and energy must have a beginning.

That is not my understanding. Inflation theory is predicated on the fact that matter and energy occupied an infinitesimally small space at the time of the BB.

Inflation explains how matter and energy had a beginning without violating the law of conservation.

 

[ding]

That’s how I know the laws of nature existed before space and time.

The laws of nature are not like legislation that must be created, they are us putting structure onto the universe. It is like saying the laws of math existed before space and time because 1 + 1 always equal 2, it is true but it is meaningless.

There are physical, biological and moral laws of nature. Together these laws predestined that intelligence would arise.

 

[alang1216]

Everything that was created is evidence.

Evidence of what? (Why do I feel we've been down this rabbit hole before?)

 

[ding]

Everything that was created is evidence.

Evidence of what? (Why do I feel we've been down this rabbit hole before?)

Of a creator.

If you create something can I use it as evidence?

 

[alang1216]

That’s how I know the laws of nature existed before space and time.

The laws of nature are not like legislation that must be created, they are us putting structure onto the universe. It is like saying the laws of math existed before space and time because 1 + 1 always equal 2, it is true but it is meaningless.

There are physical, biological and moral laws of nature. Together these laws predestined that intelligence would arise.

Moral laws of nature? Like

• eat or be eaten
• might makes right
• survival of the fittest
• we are merely containers for our genes