The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[kaz]

Still waiting for the military benefit Coke should take the sugar and caffiene out of their product because it's the right thing to do too. Let's get real here ok?

My brother went to the Naval academy, served in Gulf War I. My cousin is a career air force guy, also in Gulf War I and still in the military. One thing I've never heard either of them ever describe the military as would be, "fair."

And if either of them had been gay or if someone had said they were gay, under DADT, they would have been shitcanned regardless of their service.

My brother finished in the top 10% of his class at the naval academy, which is a big deal and allowed him to pick almost any job he wanted. He picked nuclear subs. He was at sub school in Orlando and they called him out of class and told him he was kicked out because he'd honestly admitted in his application he'd tried pot in high school. He seriously only tried it. Most people lie, they got to stay in. For being honest, he had to go surface warfare, which is the last choice and you can do that if you go NROTC. They asked, he was screwed. Gays have the option of just shutting up.

 

[Spoonman]

I find the whole thing sad. Literally. Men and women..what they prefer in the bedroom..being judged on how they serve their country, look out for their brothers and sisters in arms, dying, suffering, trying to survive...and treated like a sub human all due to sex drive. Shameful. Sad. Disgusting. ANGRY for them.

There was no gay test prior to DADT repeal. They simply said that homosexuals can't divulge the fact that they're homosexuals. If they don't admit to it, they can serve honorably for as long as they want.

They can't judge you on shit you don't divulge in the first place. Don't ASK, don't TELL.

Then straights should be don't ask, don't tell too. I don't want to hear about your girlfriend. I don't want to hear about your date. I don't want to hear about your marriage. I don't want to see pictures of your wife and kids. I don't want to hear you tell about who you picked up at the bar. If I do hear about them, you can be discharged. It's equal treatment under the UCMJ and DADT.

And you have the right to tell them, hey, i'm not interested.

 

[bodecea]

My brother went to the Naval academy, served in Gulf War I. My cousin is a career air force guy, also in Gulf War I and still in the military. One thing I've never heard either of them ever describe the military as would be, "fair."

And if either of them had been gay or if someone had said they were gay, under DADT, they would have been shitcanned regardless of their service.

Got an answer yet of why this should be done? Or are you still just babbling?

Why they should be shitcanned under DADT? Nope...got no answer as to why that should be done. No answer at all. It's a horrible waste of manpower, skills, and training.

 

[kaz]

I find the whole thing sad. Literally. Men and women..what they prefer in the bedroom..being judged on how they serve their country, look out for their brothers and sisters in arms, dying, suffering, trying to survive...and treated like a sub human all due to sex drive. Shameful. Sad. Disgusting. ANGRY for them.

There was no gay test prior to DADT repeal. They simply said that homosexuals can't divulge the fact that they're homosexuals. If they don't admit to it, they can serve honorably for as long as they want.

They can't judge you on shit you don't divulge in the first place. Don't ASK, don't TELL.

Then straights should be don't ask, don't tell too. I don't want to hear about your girlfriend. I don't want to hear about your date. I don't want to hear about your marriage. I don't want to see pictures of your wife and kids. I don't want to hear you tell about who you picked up at the bar. If I do hear about them, you can be discharged. It's equal treatment under the UCMJ and DADT.

You want everyone treated exactly the same. Well, unless they are black and Republican, then screw them, or woman and Republican, screw them too. Or if they are Christian, male, white or ******* rich, screw them all. Yes, your sense of treating everyone the same is admirable...

 

[bodecea]

There was no gay test prior to DADT repeal. They simply said that homosexuals can't divulge the fact that they're homosexuals. If they don't admit to it, they can serve honorably for as long as they want.

They can't judge you on shit you don't divulge in the first place. Don't ASK, don't TELL.

Then straights should be don't ask, don't tell too. I don't want to hear about your girlfriend. I don't want to hear about your date. I don't want to hear about your marriage. I don't want to see pictures of your wife and kids. I don't want to hear you tell about who you picked up at the bar. If I do hear about them, you can be discharged. It's equal treatment under the UCMJ and DADT.

And you have the right to tell them, hey, i'm not interested.

Didn't seem to work much when I was in....in fact, it would have been the equivalent of admitting I was gay to not be interested in their stories of sexual conquests....and that would have brought me to being discharged.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Still waiting for the military benefit Coke should take the sugar and caffiene out of their product because it's the right thing to do too. Let's get real here ok?

Here's the benefit you retarded colon jousting cock monkey.........

Ombudsman Program Overview The Navy Family Ombudsman Program promotes healthy, self-reliant families.

Why the word Ombudsman? The word Ombudsman originated in Scandinavian countries and referred to safeguarding the rights of citizens. Today the concept of the Ombudsman is widely utilized in the fields of government, business and healthcare.

Navy Family Ombudsman Program OPNAVINST 1750.1F

History
In 1970, Admiral E.R. Zumwalt, Jr. then Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), created the Navy Family Ombudsman Program to improve communication between commands and the families of Sailors who served in them.

In 2006, Admiral Michael G. Mullen, CNO, re-emphasized the importance of the program and signed an updated instruction, highlighting the requirement that all Navy families have access to a Navy Family Ombudsman.

Ombudsman Roles
The Ombudsman is a volunteer, appointed by the commanding officer, to serve as an information link between command leadership and Navy families. Ombudsmen are trained to disseminate information both up and down the chain of command, including official Department of the Navy and command information, command climate issues, local quality of life (QOL) improvement opportunities, and “good deals” around the community.

They also provide resource referrals when needed. They are instrumental in resolving family issues before the issues require extensive command attention. The command ombudsman program is shaped largely by the commanding officer’s perceived needs of his/her command. The command ombudsman is appointed by and works under the guidance of the commanding officer who determines the priorities of the program, the roles and relationships of those involved in it, and the type and level of support it will receive.

Navy Ombudsman Program Overview - Fleet and Family Support Center

If you have a girlfriend you're living with and intend to marry? She's able to take advantage of that program as well, pending the CO's approval.

If you're gay and living with someone? You're shit outta luck.

Ever been deployed and worried about things back home, but you couldn't do anything about it because you were on cruise, you stopped getting mail? I have, happened with my ex wife who decided to go screw around with an AOC while I was on shakedown cruise for the USS GEORGE WASHINGTON (CVN-73). Came back and the ***** was living with him.

I tell ya what........it's really hard to concentrate on things while deployed if you're worried about back home.

Try again Shit Man.

Your brother could be your point of contact, your mother, your best friend. It doesn't have to be a spouse. Gays are not exempt from taking advantage of the program

Actually, it DOES have to be a spouse or fiancee. Why? Simple......it costs money to send message traffic back and forth. And, there are other programs that can help with stuff like car repairs, house repairs, etc.

However.......if you're gay, you cannot use these programs. Why? Because you'd be kicked out under DADT.

And..........how do I know so much about these programs? Part of what my office did was run that program.

 

[bodecea]

There was no gay test prior to DADT repeal. They simply said that homosexuals can't divulge the fact that they're homosexuals. If they don't admit to it, they can serve honorably for as long as they want.

They can't judge you on shit you don't divulge in the first place. Don't ASK, don't TELL.

Then straights should be don't ask, don't tell too. I don't want to hear about your girlfriend. I don't want to hear about your date. I don't want to hear about your marriage. I don't want to see pictures of your wife and kids. I don't want to hear you tell about who you picked up at the bar. If I do hear about them, you can be discharged. It's equal treatment under the UCMJ and DADT.

You want everyone treated exactly the same. Well, unless they are black and Republican, then screw them, or woman and Republican, screw them too. Or if they are Christian, male, white or ******* rich, screw them all. Yes, your sense of treating everyone the same is admirable...

Well, this is America....they have to be treated equally under the law. Didn't you know that?

 

[Spoonman]

Then straights should be don't ask, don't tell too. I don't want to hear about your girlfriend. I don't want to hear about your date. I don't want to hear about your marriage. I don't want to see pictures of your wife and kids. I don't want to hear you tell about who you picked up at the bar. If I do hear about them, you can be discharged. It's equal treatment under the UCMJ and DADT.

And you have the right to tell them, hey, i'm not interested.

Didn't seem to work much when I was in....in fact, it would have been the equivalent of admitting I was gay to not be interested in their stories of sexual conquests....and that would have brought me to being discharged.

ok, so now i get it. you're gay

 

[bodecea]

Here's the benefit you retarded colon jousting cock monkey.........



Navy Ombudsman Program Overview - Fleet and Family Support Center

If you have a girlfriend you're living with and intend to marry? She's able to take advantage of that program as well, pending the CO's approval.

If you're gay and living with someone? You're shit outta luck.

Ever been deployed and worried about things back home, but you couldn't do anything about it because you were on cruise, you stopped getting mail? I have, happened with my ex wife who decided to go screw around with an AOC while I was on shakedown cruise for the USS GEORGE WASHINGTON (CVN-73). Came back and the ***** was living with him.

I tell ya what........it's really hard to concentrate on things while deployed if you're worried about back home.

Try again Shit Man.

Your brother could be your point of contact, your mother, your best friend. It doesn't have to be a spouse. Gays are not exempt from taking advantage of the program

Actually, it DOES have to be a spouse or fiancee. Why? Simple......it costs money to send message traffic back and forth. And, there are other programs that can help with stuff like car repairs, house repairs, etc.

However.......if you're gay, you cannot use these programs. Why? Because you'd be kicked out under DADT.

And..........how do I know so much about these programs? Part of what my office did was run that program.

When my wife had our daughter...we had to hold our breath and hope nothing happened to either of us for the six years until we were both retired to start adoption procedures for me. When the state worker asked why we waited six years, we said "military" and she immediately understood. Just the adoption procedure itself would have been considered "telling".

 

[Spoonman]

Then straights should be don't ask, don't tell too. I don't want to hear about your girlfriend. I don't want to hear about your date. I don't want to hear about your marriage. I don't want to see pictures of your wife and kids. I don't want to hear you tell about who you picked up at the bar. If I do hear about them, you can be discharged. It's equal treatment under the UCMJ and DADT.

You want everyone treated exactly the same. Well, unless they are black and Republican, then screw them, or woman and Republican, screw them too. Or if they are Christian, male, white or ******* rich, screw them all. Yes, your sense of treating everyone the same is admirable...

Well, this is America....they have to be treated equally under the law. Didn't you know that?

well lets see, when it comes ot christians and athiests, is there equal treatment? Christians want the ability to pray in school. Athiests want no prayer in school. under the law, there is no prayer in school. is that an equal ruling? but that's the law and that's what is currently accepted as the fair solution.

 

[bodecea]

And you have the right to tell them, hey, i'm not interested.

Didn't seem to work much when I was in....in fact, it would have been the equivalent of admitting I was gay to not be interested in their stories of sexual conquests....and that would have brought me to being discharged.

ok, so now i get it. you're gay

Even if I hadn't been gay, by expressing displeasure over hearing their sexual conquests, I would have been accused of being gay....which would, depending on the command, have resulted in being investigated.

 

[Mr Natural]

You want everyone treated exactly the same. Well, unless they are black and Republican, then screw them, or woman and Republican, screw them too. Or if they are Christian, male, white or ******* rich, screw them all. Yes, your sense of treating everyone the same is admirable...

Well, this is America....they have to be treated equally under the law. Didn't you know that?

well lets see, when it comes ot christians and athiests, is there equal treatment? Christians want the ability to pray in school. Athiests want no prayer in school. under the law, there is no prayer in school. is that an equal ruling? but that's the law and that's what is currently accepted as the fair solution.

But prayer takes up valuable school time that could otherwise be used for teaching.

 

[kaz]

Then straights should be don't ask, don't tell too. I don't want to hear about your girlfriend. I don't want to hear about your date. I don't want to hear about your marriage. I don't want to see pictures of your wife and kids. I don't want to hear you tell about who you picked up at the bar. If I do hear about them, you can be discharged. It's equal treatment under the UCMJ and DADT.

You want everyone treated exactly the same. Well, unless they are black and Republican, then screw them, or woman and Republican, screw them too. Or if they are Christian, male, white or ******* rich, screw them all. Yes, your sense of treating everyone the same is admirable...

Well, this is America....they have to be treated equally under the law. Didn't you know that?

They are treated exactly the same, they are subject to the same rules. And you have yet to answer the question why for someone to go fight for their country it's necessary for them to tell people they put their pecker in butt holes. When you can answer that question, we'll start going somewhere.

 

[kaz]

Well, this is America....they have to be treated equally under the law. Didn't you know that?

well lets see, when it comes ot christians and athiests, is there equal treatment? Christians want the ability to pray in school. Athiests want no prayer in school. under the law, there is no prayer in school. is that an equal ruling? but that's the law and that's what is currently accepted as the fair solution.

But prayer takes up valuable school time that could otherwise be used for teaching.

We're talking about government schools, the time already wasn't used very well. Maybe they can spend the time praying for a better education. We don't really start to educate kids until college in this country.

 

[kaz]

And you have the right to tell them, hey, i'm not interested.

Didn't seem to work much when I was in....in fact, it would have been the equivalent of admitting I was gay to not be interested in their stories of sexual conquests....and that would have brought me to being discharged.

ok, so now i get it. you're gay

I know I am, I'm very happy now that you mention it. Life has been good.

 

[bodecea]

You want everyone treated exactly the same. Well, unless they are black and Republican, then screw them, or woman and Republican, screw them too. Or if they are Christian, male, white or ******* rich, screw them all. Yes, your sense of treating everyone the same is admirable...

Well, this is America....they have to be treated equally under the law. Didn't you know that?

They are treated exactly the same, they are subject to the same rules. And you have yet to answer the question why for someone to go fight for their country it's necessary for them to tell people they put their pecker in butt holes. When you can answer that question, we'll start going somewhere.

That is YOUR imagery.

What would happen is some male sailor/soldier simply saying something like..."My boyfriend and I went to the beach this weekend." or having a picture of his male spouse on his desk. That's considered "telling". That results in a discharge.

 

[Seawytch]

My God, you have zero ability to detect sarcasm, do you?

And how was sarcasm indicated at all?

Seriously? I called you Nancy to call you a sensitive girl about political correctness. You seriously need that explained to you, Nancy?

You didn't answer the question, Nancy. Is not using the f-word for gay man simply being respectful or being "PC"?

 

[Spoonman]

Well, this is America....they have to be treated equally under the law. Didn't you know that?

well lets see, when it comes ot christians and athiests, is there equal treatment? Christians want the ability to pray in school. Athiests want no prayer in school. under the law, there is no prayer in school. is that an equal ruling? but that's the law and that's what is currently accepted as the fair solution.

But prayer takes up valuable school time that could otherwise be used for teaching.

Teaching what? That man developed from some unknown missing link? or other unproven theories that are sold in as truths?

 

[Spoonman]

Well, this is America....they have to be treated equally under the law. Didn't you know that?

They are treated exactly the same, they are subject to the same rules. And you have yet to answer the question why for someone to go fight for their country it's necessary for them to tell people they put their pecker in butt holes. When you can answer that question, we'll start going somewhere.

That is YOUR imagery.

What would happen is some male sailor/soldier simply saying something like..."My boyfriend and I went to the beach this weekend." or having a picture of his male spouse on his desk. That's considered "telling". That results in a discharge.

mmmmm I don't want to see that or hear that.

 

[bodecea]

You want everyone treated exactly the same. Well, unless they are black and Republican, then screw them, or woman and Republican, screw them too. Or if they are Christian, male, white or ******* rich, screw them all. Yes, your sense of treating everyone the same is admirable...

Well, this is America....they have to be treated equally under the law. Didn't you know that?

well lets see, when it comes ot christians and athiests, is there equal treatment? Christians want the ability to pray in school. Athiests want no prayer in school. under the law, there is no prayer in school. is that an equal ruling? but that's the law and that's what is currently accepted as the fair solution.

Christians have the right to pray in school all they want. No one has ever stopped that. You , unfortunately, have been misled in that regard.