The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[Caroljo]

Damn I almost got the kitchen sink tossed at me for having an affair while I was in the service, maybe I should have went to the Feds myself and accused the Military of violating my constitutional rights.

Well, that starts a whole new discussion about whether or not the military should be getting involved in "private" matters. Major Witt wasn't simply charged with adultery, but discharged under DADT. In 20 years I only saw ONE GUY go to Mast for adultery and he was an officer sleeping with the wife of one of HIS men. He did not get a discharge.

I think they need to get out of private matters and I say this because the Military does absolutely nothing when the civilian spouse of a Military member is cheating, the civilian spouse can have a gangbang in your living room and there is absolutely nothing the Military can do, I talked to an Air Force legal aide on this and they said their hands are tied until the Military member files for divorce, and even than the dependent can stay on base for 30 days getting their freak on, it might be different from base to base but this is what I was told at Vandenberg Air Force Base, when there was rumours going around that I was cheating I was threatened to cut it out or I would lose some rank behind this, and possibly my career, they even contacted the woman I was cheating with and talked to her on the phone but she was smart enough to deny even knowing me.

This reminds me of when my son was stationed with the 101st Airborne a few years ago (he's now training for Special Forces). His wife would tell us stories of what alot of the wives were doing while their husbands were in Iraq and it just made her sick. They want the wives (or husbands) at home to stand by their soldier, they count on them being there when they get home...and my son knows of one guy that got off the plane and as soon as he was close to his wife he started beating her for messing around while he was gone. The MP's let him go home once he settled down, and the next day he killed her.

Oh - and if you go out and get a really bad sunburn...so bad you can't wear clothing over it, they can give you an article 15? for doing damage to military property!! wow!

 

[Spoonman]

A new day, and another load of liberal/ gay BS. How surprising is that? One question continues to be conveniently ignored. How can gays serving openly in the military contribute to the combat effectiveness of the United States Military? It will be interesting to see how Obama's rump rangers field this question.

exactly, what is the benefit for making this change? Why should sexual preference even be an issue that is being pushed?

 

[bodecea]

A new day, and another load of liberal/ gay BS. How surprising is that? One question continues to be conveniently ignored. How can gays serving openly in the military contribute to the combat effectiveness of the United States Military? It will be interesting to see how Obama's rump rangers field this question.

exactly, what is the benefit for making this change? Why should sexual preference even be an issue that is being pushed?

There are and always have been gay people in the military. What is the benefit of making them continue to hide? Explain.

 

[kaz]

A new day, and another load of liberal/ gay BS. How surprising is that? One question continues to be conveniently ignored. How can gays serving openly in the military contribute to the combat effectiveness of the United States Military? It will be interesting to see how Obama's rump rangers field this question.

exactly, what is the benefit for making this change? Why should sexual preference even be an issue that is being pushed?

There are and always have been gay people in the military. What is the benefit of making them continue to hide? Explain.

What is the benefit of them telling people their personal business? Explain.

 

[Spoonman]

A new day, and another load of liberal/ gay BS. How surprising is that? One question continues to be conveniently ignored. How can gays serving openly in the military contribute to the combat effectiveness of the United States Military? It will be interesting to see how Obama's rump rangers field this question.

exactly, what is the benefit for making this change? Why should sexual preference even be an issue that is being pushed?

There are and always have been gay people in the military. What is the benefit of making them continue to hide? Explain.

why do libs always fail to answer a question but reply with another? There is no benefit to changing the policy. probably no harm to changing it, but there is a cost and a learning curve. So before anyone is willing to incur the costs let's here some military benefits. Ok, balls in your court. don't drop it like usual

 

[Spoonman]

exactly, what is the benefit for making this change? Why should sexual preference even be an issue that is being pushed?

There are and always have been gay people in the military. What is the benefit of making them continue to hide? Explain.

What is the benefit of them telling people their personal business? Explain.

he can't. there is no benefit to doing it. which is why he has to answer with a question.

 

[Mr Natural]

A new day, and another load of liberal/ gay BS. How surprising is that? One question continues to be conveniently ignored. How can gays serving openly in the military contribute to the combat effectiveness of the United States Military? It will be interesting to see how Obama's rump rangers field this question.

exactly, what is the benefit for making this change? Why should sexual preference even be an issue that is being pushed?

There are and always have been gay people in the military. What is the benefit of making them continue to hide? Explain.

Of course there has been.

Why else would there be such an obsession with shoes and haircuts and the proper way to make a bed?

 

[kaz]

exactly, what is the benefit for making this change? Why should sexual preference even be an issue that is being pushed?

There are and always have been gay people in the military. What is the benefit of making them continue to hide? Explain.

Of course there has been.

Why else would there be such an obsession with shoes and haircuts and the proper way to make a bed?

It's nice to see a liberal who hasn't lost his sense of humor. In these days, rare indeed. Amazing how the further left we go the more hysterical and angry the left become.

 

[bodecea]

exactly, what is the benefit for making this change? Why should sexual preference even be an issue that is being pushed?

There are and always have been gay people in the military. What is the benefit of making them continue to hide? Explain.

What is the benefit of them telling people their personal business? Explain.

The exact same benefit that straight people get by telling others about their personal business.....or rather, not having to hide or deceive about their personal business.

You seem to think that gay soldiers want the right to shout their gayness from the heights. No, they want the SAME right that straight soldiers have to speak freely about their wives/husbands/boyfriends/girlfriends...what they did over the weekend...in other words, everyday social chit chat without having to lie in order to save their career.

Unless you feel that no one has any business sharing their personal life, you would support straight sailors/soldiers being told to keep quiet too.

 

[bodecea]

There are and always have been gay people in the military. What is the benefit of making them continue to hide? Explain.

Of course there has been.

Why else would there be such an obsession with shoes and haircuts and the proper way to make a bed?

It's nice to see a liberal who hasn't lost his sense of humor. In these days, rare indeed. Amazing how the further left we go the more hysterical and angry the left become.

Really? How sad you run into that.

 

[Spoonman]

There are and always have been gay people in the military. What is the benefit of making them continue to hide? Explain.

What is the benefit of them telling people their personal business? Explain.

The exact same benefit that straight people get by telling others about their personal business.....or rather, not having to hide or deceive about their personal business.

You seem to think that gay soldiers want the right to shout their gayness from the heights. No, they want the SAME right that straight soldiers have to speak freely about their wives/husbands/boyfriends/girlfriends...what they did over the weekend...in other words, everyday social chit chat without having to lie in order to save their career.

Unless you feel that no one has any business sharing their personal life, you would support straight sailors/soldiers being told to keep quiet too.

The focus of the Military is not about social chit chat, it's about being a soldier and doing your duty. Since when did it become a country club or a sexual chat room. Let's have a military benefit. A real reason why the armed forces should go through the expense of changing their policies.

 

[kaz]

There are and always have been gay people in the military. What is the benefit of making them continue to hide? Explain.

What is the benefit of them telling people their personal business? Explain.

The exact same benefit that straight people get by telling others about their personal business.....or rather, not having to hide or deceive about their personal business.

You seem to think that gay soldiers want the right to shout their gayness from the heights. No, they want the SAME right that straight soldiers have to speak freely about their wives/husbands/boyfriends/girlfriends...what they did over the weekend...in other words, everyday social chit chat without having to lie in order to save their career.

Unless you feel that no one has any business sharing their personal life, you would support straight sailors/soldiers being told to keep quiet too.

I actually typically don't mean what you pull out of your ass. There is no "benefit" to straight people telling their personal business either. Why would they need to?

You are making the illogical argument BTW that because straights can tell they are straight they need to. No one said that.

 

[Spoonman]

What is the benefit of them telling people their personal business? Explain.

The exact same benefit that straight people get by telling others about their personal business.....or rather, not having to hide or deceive about their personal business.

You seem to think that gay soldiers want the right to shout their gayness from the heights. No, they want the SAME right that straight soldiers have to speak freely about their wives/husbands/boyfriends/girlfriends...what they did over the weekend...in other words, everyday social chit chat without having to lie in order to save their career.

Unless you feel that no one has any business sharing their personal life, you would support straight sailors/soldiers being told to keep quiet too.

I actually typically don't mean what you pull out of your ass. There is no "benefit" to straight people telling their personal business either. Why would they need to?

You are making the illogical argument BTW that because straights can tell they are straight they need to. No one said that.

it has nothing to do with military operations. and it is not a justifyable reason to change military policy

 

[ABikerSailor]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

Hey stupid......speaking as someone who IS career military (I retired 8 years ago), I can tell you that your post is full of shit.

Why? Because........every 6 months, you get tested for HIV no matter what (at least I did until 2002). It doesn't matter if you're straight, gay, lesbian or bisexual. If you're on active duty, you will get tested every 6 months. Oh yeah.....if you ever pop positive on an HIV test, you are immediately sent to shore duty at one of a few hospitals that the Navy has designated for that purpose.

Oh yeah.........got news for you..........gays actually make better military types than straights do. Wanna know why? Because attention to detail (one of the military's favorite terms) is something they're good at. How do I know? Because for 20 years, I was a Personnelman, which meant that I had to do the worksheets every time advancement time came around for the whole command, and oh yeah........we have to factor in things like evaluations and personal (not unit) awards. Gays generally had a higher eval average and more awards. And........because I wasn't as bigoted as you or your child appear to be, all the people in each of my commands trusted me enough to tell me what was and wasn't true and going on.

Try again chumpsteak, both you and your spawn are bigoted assholes.

 

[bodecea]

What is the benefit of them telling people their personal business? Explain.

The exact same benefit that straight people get by telling others about their personal business.....or rather, not having to hide or deceive about their personal business.

You seem to think that gay soldiers want the right to shout their gayness from the heights. No, they want the SAME right that straight soldiers have to speak freely about their wives/husbands/boyfriends/girlfriends...what they did over the weekend...in other words, everyday social chit chat without having to lie in order to save their career.

Unless you feel that no one has any business sharing their personal life, you would support straight sailors/soldiers being told to keep quiet too.

I actually typically don't mean what you pull out of your ass. There is no "benefit" to straight people telling their personal business either. Why would they need to?

You are making the illogical argument BTW that because straights can tell they are straight they need to. No one said that.

But they do...all the time. It's called being social. Why do straights get to do it with no repercussions while if gays were to do the same thing, they can be kicked out?

 

[Spoonman]

The exact same benefit that straight people get by telling others about their personal business.....or rather, not having to hide or deceive about their personal business.

You seem to think that gay soldiers want the right to shout their gayness from the heights. No, they want the SAME right that straight soldiers have to speak freely about their wives/husbands/boyfriends/girlfriends...what they did over the weekend...in other words, everyday social chit chat without having to lie in order to save their career.

Unless you feel that no one has any business sharing their personal life, you would support straight sailors/soldiers being told to keep quiet too.

I actually typically don't mean what you pull out of your ass. There is no "benefit" to straight people telling their personal business either. Why would they need to?

You are making the illogical argument BTW that because straights can tell they are straight they need to. No one said that.

But they do...all the time. It's called being social. Why do straights get to do it with no repercussions while if gays were to do the same thing, they can be kicked out?

Take your personal emotion out of it. Give us a reason why the military should change it's policy. what is the benefit to them. Your logic is like saying coke should stop marketing in red cans because red is a color of anger and it upsets some people

 

[ABikerSailor]

A new day, and another load of liberal/ gay BS. How surprising is that? One question continues to be conveniently ignored. How can gays serving openly in the military contribute to the combat effectiveness of the United States Military? It will be interesting to see how Obama's rump rangers field this question.

No more or less than it does now....but how does kicking willing and qualified soldiers/sailors out because of their sexuality contribute to the combat effectiveness of the U.S. military? How about those translators? How about all the trained and outstanding military members kicked out because of who they love? Because you think it's icky? Seriously?

Nice try Bod, but no cigar. Try answering the question if you can. Show me evidence where gays serving openly in the military will contribute to the combat readiness of any unit?

Because if they were allowed to serve openly, then they would also be able to take advantage of programs like Ombudsman, who maintain contact with the unit while it's deployed out of the States. With that program, you can send messages back and forth, be kept appraised of the situation back home, let those at home know what you're doing and where you're at (if it's unclassified).

United States NavyThe U.S. Navy implemented an ombudsman program in 1970, under the direction of Admiral Elmo Zumwalt. Through the Navy Ombudsman Program, communication between the spouses of active duty personnel and the command is kept open, thereby improving the quality of life for everyone involved. The Navy command ombudsman is a volunteer position, with no special favors bestowed upon them.

The purpose of this program is to ensure the dependents of active duty personnel have a channel of resources for their needs and quality of life. A command ombudsman can guide you to the help you may need, before, during or after a deployment. The Navy Ombudsman undergoes almost constant training, and is bound by confidentiality in most cases, the exception being any hint of child abuse. An ombudsman meets with department heads aboard a naval installation to find out the latest news, and pass it on, including news on ship deployments, cutting down on potentially harmful gossip.

Ombudsmen in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you're gay, you can't take advantage of a program like that, which impacts your ability to keep in contact with home, which in turn, impacts your morale and your ability to function at the same level as everyone else.

 

[rightwinger]

In truth, five years from now everyone will be wondering what the fuss was about

 

[rightwinger]

I actually typically don't mean what you pull out of your ass. There is no "benefit" to straight people telling their personal business either. Why would they need to?

You are making the illogical argument BTW that because straights can tell they are straight they need to. No one said that.

But they do...all the time. It's called being social. Why do straights get to do it with no repercussions while if gays were to do the same thing, they can be kicked out?

Take your personal emotion out of it. Give us a reason why the military should change it's policy. what is the benefit to them. Your logic is like saying coke should stop marketing in red cans because red is a color of anger and it upsets some people

In a nutshell, they should change their policy because it is the right thing to do. Just like integration of the forces

 

[sinister59]

I wounder how many whiners here on this subject are active duty or gust assholes that hate gays ,