The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[ABikerSailor]

I wounder how many whiners here on this subject are active duty or gust assholes that hate gays ,

Most of the whiners are just assholes that hate gays. Many have never even served, so they don't even have a clue as to how things are done in the military.

Most of those who are okay with gays serving? Many of them are actual ex military, and quite a few have served in leadership positions.

Bodeca comes readily to mind as one of the people who has served and is okay with gays in the military.

Incidentally, speaking as a 20 year vet myself, I'm cool with it as well. And for the people who say that it would hurt the military due to people leaving because of the policy? At most, maybe 2-5 percent would actually leave, but it would be more than made up for by the gays who actually want to serve, just haven't been able to enlist because of their orientation.

 

[Grace]

I find the whole thing sad. Literally. Men and women..what they prefer in the bedroom..being judged on how they serve their country, look out for their brothers and sisters in arms, dying, suffering, trying to survive...and treated like a sub human all due to sex drive. Shameful. Sad. Disgusting. ANGRY for them.

 

[Montesquieu]

As a vet myself (although not for twenty years) I ask them to stay in something like medical admin.

They're not wanted.

 

[kaz]

The exact same benefit that straight people get by telling others about their personal business.....or rather, not having to hide or deceive about their personal business.

You seem to think that gay soldiers want the right to shout their gayness from the heights. No, they want the SAME right that straight soldiers have to speak freely about their wives/husbands/boyfriends/girlfriends...what they did over the weekend...in other words, everyday social chit chat without having to lie in order to save their career.

Unless you feel that no one has any business sharing their personal life, you would support straight sailors/soldiers being told to keep quiet too.

I actually typically don't mean what you pull out of your ass. There is no "benefit" to straight people telling their personal business either. Why would they need to?

You are making the illogical argument BTW that because straights can tell they are straight they need to. No one said that.

But they do...all the time. It's called being social. Why do straights get to do it with no repercussions while if gays were to do the same thing, they can be kicked out?

It's hard to debate you when you keep changing your position. Try to pick one. Now you're changing to it's not fair? Life's not fair. You may be onto something there.

 

[Spoonman]

But they do...all the time. It's called being social. Why do straights get to do it with no repercussions while if gays were to do the same thing, they can be kicked out?

Take your personal emotion out of it. Give us a reason why the military should change it's policy. what is the benefit to them. Your logic is like saying coke should stop marketing in red cans because red is a color of anger and it upsets some people

In a nutshell, they should change their policy because it is the right thing to do. Just like integration of the forces

Still waiting for the military benefit Coke should take the sugar and caffiene out of their product because it's the right thing to do too. Let's get real here ok?

 

[kaz]

In truth, five years from now everyone will be wondering what the fuss was about

It may be ten, but other then quibbling about the exact time frame I agree.

 

[kaz]

I wounder how many whiners here on this subject are active duty or gust assholes that hate gays ,

Hmm...so you're saying assholes hate gays?

 

[kaz]

Take your personal emotion out of it. Give us a reason why the military should change it's policy. what is the benefit to them. Your logic is like saying coke should stop marketing in red cans because red is a color of anger and it upsets some people

In a nutshell, they should change their policy because it is the right thing to do. Just like integration of the forces

Still waiting for the military benefit Coke should take the sugar and caffiene out of their product because it's the right thing to do too. Let's get real here ok?

My brother went to the Naval academy, served in Gulf War I. My cousin is a career air force guy, also in Gulf War I and still in the military. One thing I've never heard either of them ever describe the military as would be, "fair."

 

[Spoonman]

No more or less than it does now....but how does kicking willing and qualified soldiers/sailors out because of their sexuality contribute to the combat effectiveness of the U.S. military? How about those translators? How about all the trained and outstanding military members kicked out because of who they love? Because you think it's icky? Seriously?

Nice try Bod, but no cigar. Try answering the question if you can. Show me evidence where gays serving openly in the military will contribute to the combat readiness of any unit?

Because if they were allowed to serve openly, then they would also be able to take advantage of programs like Ombudsman, who maintain contact with the unit while it's deployed out of the States. With that program, you can send messages back and forth, be kept appraised of the situation back home, let those at home know what you're doing and where you're at (if it's unclassified).

United States NavyThe U.S. Navy implemented an ombudsman program in 1970, under the direction of Admiral Elmo Zumwalt. Through the Navy Ombudsman Program, communication between the spouses of active duty personnel and the command is kept open, thereby improving the quality of life for everyone involved. The Navy command ombudsman is a volunteer position, with no special favors bestowed upon them.

The purpose of this program is to ensure the dependents of active duty personnel have a channel of resources for their needs and quality of life. A command ombudsman can guide you to the help you may need, before, during or after a deployment. The Navy Ombudsman undergoes almost constant training, and is bound by confidentiality in most cases, the exception being any hint of child abuse. An ombudsman meets with department heads aboard a naval installation to find out the latest news, and pass it on, including news on ship deployments, cutting down on potentially harmful gossip.

Ombudsmen in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you're gay, you can't take advantage of a program like that, which impacts your ability to keep in contact with home, which in turn, impacts your morale and your ability to function at the same level as everyone else.

This program is not only for spouses

 

[ABikerSailor]

Take your personal emotion out of it. Give us a reason why the military should change it's policy. what is the benefit to them. Your logic is like saying coke should stop marketing in red cans because red is a color of anger and it upsets some people

In a nutshell, they should change their policy because it is the right thing to do. Just like integration of the forces

Still waiting for the military benefit Coke should take the sugar and caffiene out of their product because it's the right thing to do too. Let's get real here ok?

Here's the benefit you retarded colon jousting cock monkey.........

Ombudsman Program Overview The Navy Family Ombudsman Program promotes healthy, self-reliant families.

Why the word Ombudsman? The word Ombudsman originated in Scandinavian countries and referred to safeguarding the rights of citizens. Today the concept of the Ombudsman is widely utilized in the fields of government, business and healthcare.

Navy Family Ombudsman Program OPNAVINST 1750.1F

History
In 1970, Admiral E.R. Zumwalt, Jr. then Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), created the Navy Family Ombudsman Program to improve communication between commands and the families of Sailors who served in them.

In 2006, Admiral Michael G. Mullen, CNO, re-emphasized the importance of the program and signed an updated instruction, highlighting the requirement that all Navy families have access to a Navy Family Ombudsman.

Ombudsman Roles
The Ombudsman is a volunteer, appointed by the commanding officer, to serve as an information link between command leadership and Navy families. Ombudsmen are trained to disseminate information both up and down the chain of command, including official Department of the Navy and command information, command climate issues, local quality of life (QOL) improvement opportunities, and “good deals” around the community.

They also provide resource referrals when needed. They are instrumental in resolving family issues before the issues require extensive command attention. The command ombudsman program is shaped largely by the commanding officer’s perceived needs of his/her command. The command ombudsman is appointed by and works under the guidance of the commanding officer who determines the priorities of the program, the roles and relationships of those involved in it, and the type and level of support it will receive.

Navy Ombudsman Program Overview - Fleet and Family Support Center

If you have a girlfriend you're living with and intend to marry? She's able to take advantage of that program as well, pending the CO's approval.

If you're gay and living with someone? You're shit outta luck.

Ever been deployed and worried about things back home, but you couldn't do anything about it because you were on cruise, you stopped getting mail? I have, happened with my ex wife who decided to go screw around with an AOC while I was on shakedown cruise for the USS GEORGE WASHINGTON (CVN-73). Came back and the ***** was living with him.

I tell ya what........it's really hard to concentrate on things while deployed if you're worried about back home.

Try again Shit Man.

 

[Qball]

I find the whole thing sad. Literally. Men and women..what they prefer in the bedroom..being judged on how they serve their country, look out for their brothers and sisters in arms, dying, suffering, trying to survive...and treated like a sub human all due to sex drive. Shameful. Sad. Disgusting. ANGRY for them.

There was no gay test prior to DADT repeal. They simply said that homosexuals can't divulge the fact that they're homosexuals. If they don't admit to it, they can serve honorably for as long as they want.

They can't judge you on shit you don't divulge in the first place. Don't ASK, don't TELL.

 

[Spoonman]

In a nutshell, they should change their policy because it is the right thing to do. Just like integration of the forces

Still waiting for the military benefit Coke should take the sugar and caffiene out of their product because it's the right thing to do too. Let's get real here ok?

My brother went to the Naval academy, served in Gulf War I. My cousin is a career air force guy, also in Gulf War I and still in the military. One thing I've never heard either of them ever describe the military as would be, "fair."

I spent 8 years in the Marines. Their focus was never my sexual orientation. Their focus is one thing - making sure everyone understands what the expectations of them are. You are trained for a purpose, and that isn't social chit chat. You are securing a beachhead, no one is chit chatting about doing their partner.

 

[ABikerSailor]

As a vet myself (although not for twenty years) I ask them to stay in something like medical admin.

They're not wanted.

How long did you serve, and what branch?

I'm guessing only one enlistment.

 

[Spoonman]

In a nutshell, they should change their policy because it is the right thing to do. Just like integration of the forces

Still waiting for the military benefit Coke should take the sugar and caffiene out of their product because it's the right thing to do too. Let's get real here ok?

Here's the benefit you retarded colon jousting cock monkey.........

Ombudsman Program Overview The Navy Family Ombudsman Program promotes healthy, self-reliant families.

Why the word Ombudsman? The word Ombudsman originated in Scandinavian countries and referred to safeguarding the rights of citizens. Today the concept of the Ombudsman is widely utilized in the fields of government, business and healthcare.

Navy Family Ombudsman Program OPNAVINST 1750.1F

History
In 1970, Admiral E.R. Zumwalt, Jr. then Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), created the Navy Family Ombudsman Program to improve communication between commands and the families of Sailors who served in them.

In 2006, Admiral Michael G. Mullen, CNO, re-emphasized the importance of the program and signed an updated instruction, highlighting the requirement that all Navy families have access to a Navy Family Ombudsman.

Ombudsman Roles
The Ombudsman is a volunteer, appointed by the commanding officer, to serve as an information link between command leadership and Navy families. Ombudsmen are trained to disseminate information both up and down the chain of command, including official Department of the Navy and command information, command climate issues, local quality of life (QOL) improvement opportunities, and “good deals” around the community.

They also provide resource referrals when needed. They are instrumental in resolving family issues before the issues require extensive command attention. The command ombudsman program is shaped largely by the commanding officer’s perceived needs of his/her command. The command ombudsman is appointed by and works under the guidance of the commanding officer who determines the priorities of the program, the roles and relationships of those involved in it, and the type and level of support it will receive.

Navy Ombudsman Program Overview - Fleet and Family Support Center

If you have a girlfriend you're living with and intend to marry? She's able to take advantage of that program as well, pending the CO's approval.

If you're gay and living with someone? You're shit outta luck.

Ever been deployed and worried about things back home, but you couldn't do anything about it because you were on cruise, you stopped getting mail? I have, happened with my ex wife who decided to go screw around with an AOC while I was on shakedown cruise for the USS GEORGE WASHINGTON (CVN-73). Came back and the ***** was living with him.

I tell ya what........it's really hard to concentrate on things while deployed if you're worried about back home.

Try again Shit Man.

Your brother could be your point of contact, your mother, your best friend. It doesn't have to be a spouse. Gays are not exempt from taking advantage of the program

 

[bodecea]

As a vet myself (although not for twenty years) I ask them to stay in something like medical admin.

They're not wanted.

Funny how we are wanted enough until you find out that one little thing (totally legal) about us.

Who is that truely a referendum on? Us or You?

 

[bodecea]

I actually typically don't mean what you pull out of your ass. There is no "benefit" to straight people telling their personal business either. Why would they need to?

You are making the illogical argument BTW that because straights can tell they are straight they need to. No one said that.

But they do...all the time. It's called being social. Why do straights get to do it with no repercussions while if gays were to do the same thing, they can be kicked out?

It's hard to debate you when you keep changing your position. Try to pick one. Now you're changing to it's not fair? Life's not fair. You may be onto something there.

It is a question of being treated EQUALLY by the law...whether it is civilian or UCMJ law. You have a problem with being treated equally under the law?

 

[kaz]

But they do...all the time. It's called being social. Why do straights get to do it with no repercussions while if gays were to do the same thing, they can be kicked out?

It's hard to debate you when you keep changing your position. Try to pick one. Now you're changing to it's not fair? Life's not fair. You may be onto something there.

It is a question of being treated EQUALLY by the law...whether it is civilian or UCMJ law. You have a problem with being treated equally under the law?

Equal is not a formula, it's literal. Gays have the exact same rules as straights.

 

[bodecea]

In a nutshell, they should change their policy because it is the right thing to do. Just like integration of the forces

Still waiting for the military benefit Coke should take the sugar and caffiene out of their product because it's the right thing to do too. Let's get real here ok?

My brother went to the Naval academy, served in Gulf War I. My cousin is a career air force guy, also in Gulf War I and still in the military. One thing I've never heard either of them ever describe the military as would be, "fair."

And if either of them had been gay or if someone had said they were gay, under DADT, they would have been shitcanned regardless of their service.

 

[bodecea]

I find the whole thing sad. Literally. Men and women..what they prefer in the bedroom..being judged on how they serve their country, look out for their brothers and sisters in arms, dying, suffering, trying to survive...and treated like a sub human all due to sex drive. Shameful. Sad. Disgusting. ANGRY for them.

There was no gay test prior to DADT repeal. They simply said that homosexuals can't divulge the fact that they're homosexuals. If they don't admit to it, they can serve honorably for as long as they want.

They can't judge you on shit you don't divulge in the first place. Don't ASK, don't TELL.

Then straights should be don't ask, don't tell too. I don't want to hear about your girlfriend. I don't want to hear about your date. I don't want to hear about your marriage. I don't want to see pictures of your wife and kids. I don't want to hear you tell about who you picked up at the bar. If I do hear about them, you can be discharged. It's equal treatment under the UCMJ and DADT.

 

[Spoonman]

Still waiting for the military benefit Coke should take the sugar and caffiene out of their product because it's the right thing to do too. Let's get real here ok?

My brother went to the Naval academy, served in Gulf War I. My cousin is a career air force guy, also in Gulf War I and still in the military. One thing I've never heard either of them ever describe the military as would be, "fair."

And if either of them had been gay or if someone had said they were gay, under DADT, they would have been shitcanned regardless of their service.

Got an answer yet of why this should be done? Or are you still just babbling?