The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[Gadawg73]

You all know that I have been against repealing DADT. I haven't changed my mind.

I still believe it is going to cause problems that our military doesn't need right now.

I also still believe that we won't hear about most of those problems. We won't be meant to know about them....

That's a perfectly hollow and dogmatic thing to say.

This is an old argument and I will not repeat it for the newbies. It is where I stand and will stand until and if the future proves me to be wrong. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. But it is based upon 22 years on active duty. But hey, I could be wrong. It's happened. Not often, but it has happened.

"I could be wrong" Ollie.
And I bet good $$$ that you will be one that will acknowledge that you were wrong as that is who I believe you are Ollie. And I respect that.
There will be problems initiating it and I do worry about initiating it during two wars but the Pentagon wants it initiated. This wasn't Obama's idea. Gates/Mullen, et al.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

I think the worst repercussions will be those who need the medic but the medic is gay. Or those who are the hurt ones wont get help because they are gay. Deaths. Mindsets like those of yota. Fear. DEATH that could have been avoided. Suffering. Betrayal. Mistrust.

Its all very sad.

He nor do his imaginary sons represent or speak for the majority of the military. The Doc will help any who need it regardless. The Military is not a bunch of dumb hicks. When I was in boot camp I was one of four who had never went to collage. The seven had at least a year.

 

[SFC Ollie]

That's a perfectly hollow and dogmatic thing to say.

This is an old argument and I will not repeat it for the newbies. It is where I stand and will stand until and if the future proves me to be wrong. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. But it is based upon 22 years on active duty. But hey, I could be wrong. It's happened. Not often, but it has happened.

"I could be wrong" Ollie.
And I bet good $$$ that you will be one that will acknowledge that you were wrong as that is who I believe you are Ollie. And I respect that.
There will be problems initiating it and I do worry about initiating it during two wars but the Pentagon wants it initiated. This wasn't Obama's idea. Gates/Mullen, et al.

Whoever got it pushed through doesn't matter now. It was wrong and the worst timing it could have possibly been.

 

[Shogun]

That's a perfectly hollow and dogmatic thing to say.

This is an old argument and I will not repeat it for the newbies. It is where I stand and will stand until and if the future proves me to be wrong. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. But it is based upon 22 years on active duty. But hey, I could be wrong. It's happened. Not often, but it has happened.

You are spot on about problems coming with the repeal of DADT, but I truly dont believe that it will be because some guy got wood in the shower. What you will see are instances of some one getting offended because a guy called him a *** or homo. Carers will get destroyed over words or someone will say they got passed over for a promotion because they are gay or whatever.

yea... it's too bad they can't tell ****** jokes after racial integration either.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

This is an old argument and I will not repeat it for the newbies. It is where I stand and will stand until and if the future proves me to be wrong. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. But it is based upon 22 years on active duty. But hey, I could be wrong. It's happened. Not often, but it has happened.

You are spot on about problems coming with the repeal of DADT, but I truly dont believe that it will be because some guy got wood in the shower. What you will see are instances of some one getting offended because a guy called him a *** or homo. Carers will get destroyed over words or someone will say they got passed over for a promotion because they are gay or whatever.

yea... it's too bad they can't tell ****** jokes after racial integration either.

They are not that stupid. And the military is not the only place ****** jokes get told.

 

[gekaap]

I retired while DADT was being implemented, the general feeling at the time was not good. I do believe that it worked out fairly decent though. But i can promise you there were instances that the general public never heard about under DADT.

And I can "promise" you that the Freemasons, in conjunction with the Illuminati, are running the government. You just don't hear about it.

 

[Gadawg73]

This is an old argument and I will not repeat it for the newbies. It is where I stand and will stand until and if the future proves me to be wrong. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. But it is based upon 22 years on active duty. But hey, I could be wrong. It's happened. Not often, but it has happened.

You are spot on about problems coming with the repeal of DADT, but I truly dont believe that it will be because some guy got wood in the shower. What you will see are instances of some one getting offended because a guy called him a *** or homo. Carers will get destroyed over words or someone will say they got passed over for a promotion because they are gay or whatever.

yea... it's too bad they can't tell ****** jokes after racial integration either.

Yeah, good point there. I grew up during integration and saw the worst from folks I would have never believed it would have come from. Changed me forever.
And I know that had an ifluence from about age 35 on how I looked at and treated gay folk.
Not saying it is the same as I know many that are not homophobes that oppose the repeal but it sure looks the same to me as I grew up in it and saw the verbal slandering of folks.
Discrimination is discrimination.

 

[gekaap]

Whoever got it pushed through doesn't matter now. It was wrong and the worst timing it could have possibly been.

Actually, DADT was declared unconstitutional shortly before the repeal. So in fact it seems that repealing the law was right, as it was not constitutional in the first place.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

You are spot on about problems coming with the repeal of DADT, but I truly dont believe that it will be because some guy got wood in the shower. What you will see are instances of some one getting offended because a guy called him a *** or homo. Carers will get destroyed over words or someone will say they got passed over for a promotion because they are gay or whatever.

yea... it's too bad they can't tell ****** jokes after racial integration either.

Yeah, good point there. I grew up during integration and saw the worst from folks I would have never believed it would have come from. Changed me forever.
And I know that had an ifluence from about age 35 on how I looked at and treated gay folk.
Not saying it is the same as I know many that are not homophobes that oppose the repeal but it sure looks the same to me as I grew up in it and saw the verbal slandering of folks.
Discrimination is discrimination.

This is different. Blacks had it worse in my opinion. They used to have segregated regiments, and living quarters and what not. This is not the case with gays. Gays have been serving with straights for ever without a problem and unless the military lets them cross dress then it wont be an issue for long

 

[gautama]

Dr Drek and the other Obamarrhoidal stooge Godog,

First of all, when you pose a hypothetical question like you did with the silent IF ....."You and your men are on patrol and are ambushed and pinned down for hours, etc. then, reasonably, one has to answer with some reasonable qualifications, such as:

IF the ambushed men are wounded, or dying.....or, in need of help......the conditions in our Army are so fucked up regarding the ******* queers allowed to serve....that one HAS NO CHOICE but to ask for the rescue, hoping against hope, that the ******* queers in the rescuing party aren't going to get wounded and bleed their ******* HIV unto the wounded who are normals.

In short, the answer without the hypotheticals, is as the OP stated: when one is now serving in the Military, ONE NO LONGER HAS A CHOICE BUT TO HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF A QUEER'S HIV INFECTED BLOOD GET TRANSFERRED TO YOU IN CASE OF WOUNDS !!!

WTF is necessary for you ******* queers, or queer supporters to understand the OBVIOUS ????

An Addendum: Note GoDog's flamboyant and typically contemptibly phony Obamarrhoidal tactics in the restriction to a rebuttal: "Which is it? No ifs, ands or buts or maybes, wouldas, couldas, oughtas or that would never happens " .......when the Obamarrhoidal arsehole uses the HYPOTHETICAL case himself !!!

The posts by the Obamarrhoidal stooges are typical of the tactics of these arseholes.

We are all comforted to know that even the Recruiters would have rejected you....yes, even the Army.

Obviously, the recruiters MUST follow the Military's current and idiotic "QUEER PC " policy regarding the ******* queers.

So, one cannot arbitrarily select one's own conditions and impose them on the Military.

Your point, whatever it is, is meaningless.

Your babble, at best, is usually distorted, mendacious, or meaningless.

 

[yota5]

I think the worst repercussions will be those who need the medic but the medic is gay. Or those who are the hurt ones wont get help because they are gay. Deaths. Mindsets like those of yota. Fear. DEATH that could have been avoided. Suffering. Betrayal. Mistrust.

Its all very sad.

Imeuru, if you had walked in my boots you would know the true meaning of visceral fear. You would know that in spite of that you can still function in a very hostile environment. You know that your training, and faith in your buddies will get you through. But, you haven't walked in my boots. You've never served your country not even for 4 seconds. Therefore, you do not have a frame of reference with which to form an opinion. You can only blow a bunch of smoke, because you don't know what you're talking about.

What SFC Ollie says is true. There will be a lot going on behind the scenes that you'll never know. The troops have been ordered to keep their mouths shut.

Civilians in power positions don't care about service men and women. They only care about their own careers. I think that anyone in a civilian capacity that makes decisions that affects the well being of our service men, and women should be strapped to the front bumper of an MRAP, and be driven around Iraq, or Afghanistan, for about 3 months.

The attitude adjustment that would make would be very profound. It would stop dimwitted social engineering projects such as sexual deviants openly serving in the military in their tracks.

 

[Montrovant]

I think the worst repercussions will be those who need the medic but the medic is gay. Or those who are the hurt ones wont get help because they are gay. Deaths. Mindsets like those of yota. Fear. DEATH that could have been avoided. Suffering. Betrayal. Mistrust.

Its all very sad.

Imeuru, if you had walked in my boots you would know the true meaning of visceral fear. You would know that in spite of that you can still function in a very hostile environment. You know that your training, and faith in your buddies will get you through. But, you haven't walked in my boots. You've never served your country not even for 4 seconds. Therefore, you do not have a frame of reference with which to form an opinion. You can only blow a bunch of smoke, because you don't know what you're talking about.

What SFC Ollie says is true. There will be a lot going on behind the scenes that you'll never know. The troops have been ordered to keep their mouths shut.

Civilians in power positions don't care about service men and women. They only care about their own careers. I think that anyone in a civilian capacity that makes decisions that affects the well being of our service men, and women should be strapped to the front bumper of an MRAP, and be driven around Iraq, or Afghanistan, for about 3 months.

The attitude adjustment that would make would be very profound. It would stop dimwitted social engineering projects such as sexual deviants openly serving in the military in their tracks.

Considering that the military is ultimately controlled by the civilian government, there will always be and should be civilians making decisions that affect the well being of our soldiers. I think you worded that poorly.

And I'm still waiting to hear just what constitutes sexual deviants according to you. Obviously you put gays in that category, but what about the myriad sexual proclivities and fetishes practiced by heterosexuals? Are any of them sexual deviants, and if so, should we be preventing them from joining the military?

 

[Grace]

I think the worst repercussions will be those who need the medic but the medic is gay. Or those who are the hurt ones wont get help because they are gay. Deaths. Mindsets like those of yota. Fear. DEATH that could have been avoided. Suffering. Betrayal. Mistrust.

Its all very sad.

Imeuru, if you had walked in my boots you would know the true meaning of visceral fear. You would know that in spite of that you can still function in a very hostile environment. You know that your training, and faith in your buddies will get you through. But, you haven't walked in my boots. You've never served your country not even for 4 seconds. Therefore, you do not have a frame of reference with which to form an opinion. You can only blow a bunch of smoke, because you don't know what you're talking about.

What SFC Ollie says is true. There will be a lot going on behind the scenes that you'll never know. The troops have been ordered to keep their mouths shut.

Civilians in power positions don't care about service men and women. They only care about their own careers. I think that anyone in a civilian capacity that makes decisions that affects the well being of our service men, and women should be strapped to the front bumper of an MRAP, and be driven around Iraq, or Afghanistan, for about 3 months.

The attitude adjustment that would make would be very profound. It would stop dimwitted social engineering projects such as sexual deviants openly serving in the military in their tracks.

Wow. I mustve pushed a button. This time, unintentionally.
For the record, I care very much for our soldiers. Every one of them. Past, present and future. No matter their race, their sex, or their sexual prefernce. If you want to think Im dimwitted and shouldnt have an opinion, thats your problem. I still hope your son stays safe and if you are still enlisted yourself, that you stay safe as well and both of you come home without harm. Well, as much LESS harm as possible.
And frankly, Im tired of the sexual deviants repeats. Find a new insulting word for your fellow men and women at arms..and in harms way.Thanks in advance.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

I think the worst repercussions will be those who need the medic but the medic is gay. Or those who are the hurt ones wont get help because they are gay. Deaths. Mindsets like those of yota. Fear. DEATH that could have been avoided. Suffering. Betrayal. Mistrust.

Its all very sad.

Imeuru, if you had walked in my boots you would know the true meaning of visceral fear. You would know that in spite of that you can still function in a very hostile environment. You know that your training, and faith in your buddies will get you through. But, you haven't walked in my boots. You've never served your country not even for 4 seconds. Therefore, you do not have a frame of reference with which to form an opinion. You can only blow a bunch of smoke, because you don't know what you're talking about.

What SFC Ollie says is true. There will be a lot going on behind the scenes that you'll never know. The troops have been ordered to keep their mouths shut.

Civilians in power positions don't care about service men and women. They only care about their own careers. I think that anyone in a civilian capacity that makes decisions that affects the well being of our service men, and women should be strapped to the front bumper of an MRAP, and be driven around Iraq, or Afghanistan, for about 3 months.

The attitude adjustment that would make would be very profound. It would stop dimwitted social engineering projects such as sexual deviants openly serving in the military in their tracks.

Very hypothetical question here, but what if one of the people you served with-and literally trusted with your life came out of the closet tomorrow? What would you tell them?

 

[Grace]

Dont hold your breath waiting for a reply, James. He still hasnt bothered to answer my questions, nor has he answered questions from others.

He started off seemingly normal and wanting to discuss this. But then the mask kinda slipped. Too bad.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Dont hold your breath waiting for a reply, James. He still hasnt bothered to answer my questions, nor has he answered questions from others.

He started off seemingly normal and wanting to discuss this. But then the mask kinda slipped. Too bad.

It slipped off because dude got pegged as a shit bird trying to use history channel facts to build a past in the Army or whatever that never existed. This is how most shit birds operate.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

I think the worst repercussions will be those who need the medic but the medic is gay. Or those who are the hurt ones wont get help because they are gay. Deaths. Mindsets like those of yota. Fear. DEATH that could have been avoided. Suffering. Betrayal. Mistrust.

Its all very sad.

Imeuru, if you had walked in my boots you would know the true meaning of visceral fear. You would know that in spite of that you can still function in a very hostile environment. You know that your training, and faith in your buddies will get you through. But, you haven't walked in my boots. You've never served your country not even for 4 seconds. Therefore, you do not have a frame of reference with which to form an opinion. You can only blow a bunch of smoke, because you don't know what you're talking about.

What SFC Ollie says is true. There will be a lot going on behind the scenes that you'll never know. The troops have been ordered to keep their mouths shut.

Civilians in power positions don't care about service men and women. They only care about their own careers. I think that anyone in a civilian capacity that makes decisions that affects the well being of our service men, and women should be strapped to the front bumper of an MRAP, and be driven around Iraq, or Afghanistan, for about 3 months.

The attitude adjustment that would make would be very profound. It would stop dimwitted social engineering projects such as sexual deviants openly serving in the military in their tracks.

Very hypothetical question here, but what if one of the people you served with-and literally trusted with your life came out of the closet tomorrow? What would you tell them?

This is what will happen, and life will go on. And as for the original poster going on about the troops being told not to comment on the issue, had he been in any branch of the military he and his imaginary sons would know that they are not allowed to make comments to the press. The officers are supposed to address those questions. The fact that this goof ball mistakes typical military BS as some type of conspiracy go's further to spotlight this fellow as an arm chair commando. I enlisted roughly at the beginning of dont ask dont tell. For ten years after it was common knowledge that it would go away. No one had to tell us.The dude was fishing for rep. nothing more.

 

[Grace]

Imeuru, if you had walked in my boots you would know the true meaning of visceral fear. You would know that in spite of that you can still function in a very hostile environment. You know that your training, and faith in your buddies will get you through. But, you haven't walked in my boots. You've never served your country not even for 4 seconds. Therefore, you do not have a frame of reference with which to form an opinion. You can only blow a bunch of smoke, because you don't know what you're talking about.

What SFC Ollie says is true. There will be a lot going on behind the scenes that you'll never know. The troops have been ordered to keep their mouths shut.

Civilians in power positions don't care about service men and women. They only care about their own careers. I think that anyone in a civilian capacity that makes decisions that affects the well being of our service men, and women should be strapped to the front bumper of an MRAP, and be driven around Iraq, or Afghanistan, for about 3 months.

The attitude adjustment that would make would be very profound. It would stop dimwitted social engineering projects such as sexual deviants openly serving in the military in their tracks.

Very hypothetical question here, but what if one of the people you served with-and literally trusted with your life came out of the closet tomorrow? What would you tell them?

This is what will happen, and life will go on. And as for the original poster going on about the troops being told not to comment on the issue, had he been in any branch of the military he and his imaginary sons would know that they are not allowed to make comments to the press. The officers are supposed to address those questions. The fact that this goof ball mistakes typical military BS as some type of conspiracy go's further to spotlight this fellow as an arm chair commando. I enlisted roughly at the beginning of dont ask dont tell. For ten years after it was common knowledge that it would go away. No one had to tell us.The dude was fishing for rep. nothing more.

Tis a shame, but I think youre right.

 

[Gadawg73]

I was not in the military.
But every other male in my family was, the last 3 tours in Viet Nam '66, '67 and '68, my brother.
Dad, my uncles, granfathers, cousins and brother all told me their military comrades WERE LIKE FAMILY.
So if a family member comes out to you that they are gay do you turn on them yota?
Doesn't sound like any military man I have ever known.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

I was not in the military.
But every other male in my family was, the last 3 tours in Viet Nam '66, '67 and '68, my brother.
Dad, my uncles, granfathers, cousins and brother all told me their military comrades WERE LIKE FAMILY.
So if a family member comes out to you that they are gay do you turn on them yota?
Doesn't sound like any military man I have ever known.

Only if they get wood and try and give you a butt dart in the shower.