The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[Mr. Shaman]

If you had trained with these countries during NATO exercises you would know that they have a competent military force. However, even the members the two countries that you've cited will tell you that the US is a far superior force.

Yeah.....enforcing DADT really helped to attract the....

....U.S. Cream-O'-The-Crop!!​

 

[yota5]

Hey shamen, do you ever form your own opinions when you're out riding that sporty, or are you just religiously addicted to the cut and paste?

 

[yota5]

If you had trained with these countries during NATO exercises you would know that they have a competent military force. However, even the members the two countries that you've cited will tell you that the US is a far superior force.

I doubt seriously someone from another country's military is going to say our military force ( or members) are superior. Our numbers and equipment, yes, actual members...no. In fact, I wish we did like the Brits did with cohesive units that stick together for a long time.

Well bod, you would have had to participate in a NATO training exercise to have heard those comments, wouldn't you agree?

 

[bodecea]

If you had trained with these countries during NATO exercises you would know that they have a competent military force. However, even the members the two countries that you've cited will tell you that the US is a far superior force.

I doubt seriously someone from another country's military is going to say our military force ( or members) are superior. Our numbers and equipment, yes, actual members...no. In fact, I wish we did like the Brits did with cohesive units that stick together for a long time.

Well bod, you would have had to participate in a NATO training exercise to have heard those comments, wouldn't you agree?

How many RIMPACs and Team Spirits were you involved in?

 

[Seawytch]

As far as the rest of the commentary in my reply goes I stand by that. As a veteran I served to preserve the right of free speech, and the ability to express ones opinions freely. These are my opinions.

Stand by what? Who is doing anything to your right to express your opinions? Your statement does not address a single question that anyone has asked or point they have made. Do you ever plan on doing so?

Gays and lesbians are serving in the Armed Forces right now. They have been since the beginning of time. In the very near future they will no longer have to abide by a different set of rules than those that apply to heterosexuals...all will be serving under the same exact rules and regulations. How is this a problem?

 

[Gadawg73]

If you had trained with these countries during NATO exercises you would know that they have a competent military force. However, even the members the two countries that you've cited will tell you that the US is a far superior force.

Yes sir, you are right.
But it has nothing to do with banning gay folks from admitting who they are.
Nothing whatsoever.

 

[rightwinger]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

Sounds like you and your son are equally uninformed. Gays are ALREADY serving in the military. When you say 'Troops' are you referring to the gay troops and the straight one that don't mind serving next to openly gay troops, or are you simply referring to the homophobes.

His son is a ***** and needs to either resign from the service or quit whining about having to serve with gays

 

[bodecea]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

Sounds like you and your son are equally uninformed. Gays are ALREADY serving in the military. When you say 'Troops' are you referring to the gay troops and the straight one that don't mind serving next to openly gay troops, or are you simply referring to the homophobes.

His son is a ***** and needs to either resign from the service or quit whining about having to serve with gays

Do you seriously believe this is a Son issue?

 

[rightwinger]

Sounds like you and your son are equally uninformed. Gays are ALREADY serving in the military. When you say 'Troops' are you referring to the gay troops and the straight one that don't mind serving next to openly gay troops, or are you simply referring to the homophobes.

His son is a ***** and needs to either resign from the service or quit whining about having to serve with gays

Do you seriously believe this is a Son issue?

I believe the sons real beliefs are being altered to reflect yota's hateful personal agenda. But since yota brought him up, I think his son is a ***** for not standing by his convictions and resigning because he is forced to serve with gays

 

[SFC Ollie]

You all know that I have been against repealing DADT. I haven't changed my mind.

I still believe it is going to cause problems that our military doesn't need right now.

I also still believe that we won't hear about most of those problems. We won't be meant to know about them....

 

[gekaap]

You all know that I have been against repealing DADT. I haven't changed my mind.

I still believe it is going to cause problems that our military doesn't need right now.

I also still believe that we won't hear about most of those problems. We won't be meant to know about them....

That's a perfectly hollow and dogmatic thing to say.

 

[yota5]

You all know that I have been against repealing DADT. I haven't changed my mind.

I still believe it is going to cause problems that our military doesn't need right now.

I also still believe that we won't hear about most of those problems. We won't be meant to know about them....

That's a perfectly hollow and dogmatic thing to say.

Once a clown, always a clown.

 

[yota5]

I doubt seriously someone from another country's military is going to say our military force ( or members) are superior. Our numbers and equipment, yes, actual members...no. In fact, I wish we did like the Brits did with cohesive units that stick together for a long time.

Well bod, you would have had to participate in a NATO training exercise to have heard those comments, wouldn't you agree?

How many RIMPACs and Team Spirits were you involved in?

None. I was in the Army, not the Navy. Nor, was I ever stationed in South Korea.

 

[SFC Ollie]

You all know that I have been against repealing DADT. I haven't changed my mind.

I still believe it is going to cause problems that our military doesn't need right now.

I also still believe that we won't hear about most of those problems. We won't be meant to know about them....

That's a perfectly hollow and dogmatic thing to say.

This is an old argument and I will not repeat it for the newbies. It is where I stand and will stand until and if the future proves me to be wrong. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. But it is based upon 22 years on active duty. But hey, I could be wrong. It's happened. Not often, but it has happened.

 

[gekaap]

You all know that I have been against repealing DADT. I haven't changed my mind.

I still believe it is going to cause problems that our military doesn't need right now.

I also still believe that we won't hear about most of those problems. We won't be meant to know about them....

That's a perfectly hollow and dogmatic thing to say.

This is an old argument and I will not repeat it for the newbies. It is where I stand and will stand until and if the future proves me to be wrong. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. But it is based upon 22 years on active duty. But hey, I could be wrong. It's happened. Not often, but it has happened.

I'm not talking about you being against the repeal of DADT. I'm talking about how you say that there will be problems and that we won't here about them. That kind of thinking is dogmatic. I could just as easily say that DADT created problems but we just didn't hear about them and never will.

 

[SFC Ollie]

That's a perfectly hollow and dogmatic thing to say.

This is an old argument and I will not repeat it for the newbies. It is where I stand and will stand until and if the future proves me to be wrong. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. But it is based upon 22 years on active duty. But hey, I could be wrong. It's happened. Not often, but it has happened.

I'm not talking about you being against the repeal of DADT. I'm talking about how you say that there will be problems and that we won't here about them. That kind of thinking is dogmatic. I could just as easily say that DADT created problems but we just didn't hear about them and never will.

I retired while DADT was being implemented, the general feeling at the time was not good. I do believe that it worked out fairly decent though. But i can promise you there were instances that the general public never heard about under DADT.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

You all know that I have been against repealing DADT. I haven't changed my mind.

I still believe it is going to cause problems that our military doesn't need right now.

I also still believe that we won't hear about most of those problems. We won't be meant to know about them....

That's a perfectly hollow and dogmatic thing to say.

This is an old argument and I will not repeat it for the newbies. It is where I stand and will stand until and if the future proves me to be wrong. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. But it is based upon 22 years on active duty. But hey, I could be wrong. It's happened. Not often, but it has happened.

You are spot on about problems coming with the repeal of DADT, but I truly dont believe that it will be because some guy got wood in the shower. What you will see are instances of some one getting offended because a guy called him a *** or homo. Carers will get destroyed over words or someone will say they got passed over for a promotion because they are gay or whatever.

 

[bodecea]

This is an old argument and I will not repeat it for the newbies. It is where I stand and will stand until and if the future proves me to be wrong. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. But it is based upon 22 years on active duty. But hey, I could be wrong. It's happened. Not often, but it has happened.

I'm not talking about you being against the repeal of DADT. I'm talking about how you say that there will be problems and that we won't here about them. That kind of thinking is dogmatic. I could just as easily say that DADT created problems but we just didn't hear about them and never will.

I retired while DADT was being implemented, the general feeling at the time was not good. I do believe that it worked out fairly decent though. But i can promise you there were instances that the general public never heard about under DADT.

Yeah...like those who didn't tell but were still kicked out.

 

[Grace]

I think the worst repercussions will be those who need the medic but the medic is gay. Or those who are the hurt ones wont get help because they are gay. Deaths. Mindsets like those of yota. Fear. DEATH that could have been avoided. Suffering. Betrayal. Mistrust.

Its all very sad.

 

[bodecea]

I think the worst repercussions will be those who need the medic but the medic is gay. Or those who are the hurt ones wont get help because they are gay. Deaths. Mindsets like those of yota. Fear. DEATH that could have been avoided. Suffering. Betrayal. Mistrust.

Its all very sad.

Lotta gay medics.