The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[Seawytch]

Good morning maggots. I think that I'm going to have a great time with you too. Hoo Rah! There is one thing that is clear. You're gay. Like the old adage goes if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it's a duck. Nuff said about that.

Enough said about what? Are you attempting to claim that if you are supportive of gay and lesbian equality you must be gay? I will agree that some of the posters responding to you are gay, but not all of them are.

What long experience has shown me is that the many anti-gay "ducks" end up being gay themselves. It certainly wouldn't be a stretch to see you falling into that category.

To those of you claiming to have served with a self declared gay I have only one thing to say. Horse Hockey! When I served DADT didn't exist. So I can only say that I knowingly served with two gays. One night on BN. Staff Duty, I caught two rump rangers honking on each other (you know like seawtch says, you got to eat your meat to get to the pudding) while doing HQ CO bed check. These two individuals were taken into custody, and were out processed the next day.

You have me mistaken for someone else. I have said nothing about meat or pudding.

The same thing would happen today under DADT. If you declare sexual deviation through action or statement you're gone. Gays can't openly serve in the US Military. It's that simple. People who have served would know that.

And yet they do. If you had taken the time to read the Pentagon survey you would know that almost 70% of the respondents thought that they were serving with someone who was gay or lesbian. Sorry old timer, but the world and the military has moved on from your archaic behaviors and beliefs.

The statement that you served with openly declared gays would suggest that you're a liar, or didn't serve. I think that the assumption that you're a liar is evident. Your service to this country is in question, but is not readily verifiable with out seeing your DD 214. When I served we still had a volunteer/ drafted force. So all units had their fair share of maggots to deal with. Some folks just didn't belong in the military. So the fact that you may have served is a possibility.

Who are you talking to? Who made the claim? Whose service are you questioning?

 

[yota5]

"You have me mistaken for someone else. I have said nothing about meat or pudding." (Seawtch)

You are right Seawtch, I did have you mixed up with someone else. No excuse for that. Please accept my apology. That should have never happened.

As far as the rest of the commentary in my reply goes I stand by that. As a veteran I served to preserve the right of free speech, and the ability to express ones opinions freely. These are my opinions.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Okay, let us see if you are a man of conviction.
You and your men are on patrol and are ambushed and pinned down for hours. Your wounded need evacuation and you can not get them out.
Another unit is coming to help you and you know there a few gay soldiers in that unit.
Do you:
A. Accept their help and rescue your men or
B. Tell them "Queers are perverts and may give AIDS to my men if they come to help us. I would rather sacrifice my men than have queers come to my and my men's aid.

Which is it? No ifs, ands or buts or maybes, wouldas, couldas, oughtas or that would never happens.

I put your odds of getting an answer to this at about 10,000 to 1.

Dr Drek and the other Obamarrhoidal stooge Godog,

First of all, when you pose a hypothetical question like you did with the silent IF ....."You and your men are on patrol and are ambushed and pinned down for hours, etc. then, reasonably, one has to answer with some reasonable qualifications, such as:

IF the ambushed men are wounded, or dying.....or, in need of help......the conditions in our Army are so fucked up regarding the ******* queers allowed to serve....that one HAS NO CHOICE but to ask for the rescue, hoping against hope, that the ******* queers in the rescuing party aren't going to get wounded and bleed their ******* HIV unto the wounded who are normals.

Have you considered "coming-out", yourself???

When someone displays the anger, YOU do, there are usually....

.....other-things goin'-on.

​

 

[bodecea]

"You have me mistaken for someone else. I have said nothing about meat or pudding." (Seawtch)

You are right Seawtch, I did have you mixed up with someone else. No excuse for that. Please accept my apology. That should have never happened.

As far as the rest of the commentary in my reply goes I stand by that. As a veteran I served to preserve the right of free speech, and the ability to express ones opinions freely. These are my opinions.

Has someone here tried to stop your from giving your opinion freely?

 

[yota5]

I saw a few expressions that people are concerned that their retirement checks aren't coming, but the troops would get paid. The retirement checks for those already in the system will come on time. New applications will be held up. Troops will not be paid unless the 7 day extension passes today.

Democrats should have passed the budget last year. They didn't do this because fear of voter angst during the election. Now the Dem's and republicans are 7 billion dollars apart. This amounts to 7 days worth of interest payments on the mega-trillion dollar debt that this country owes.

Democrats, think that the republicans will be blamed for the coming government shut down. Chuck Schumer, D NY, says said this publicly. He, and the rest of the Dem's are rooting for a government shutdown. This time the American people know exactly who to blame. Democrats are trying to force republicans into leaving things as they are so that the Dem's can continue to squander our national treasure, and bankrupt this country.

I know that this doesn't have anything to do with sexual deviants serving in the military, but I thought that I would respond to the interest expressed in these issues earlier in this thread.

 

[yota5]

"You have me mistaken for someone else. I have said nothing about meat or pudding." (Seawtch)

You are right Seawtch, I did have you mixed up with someone else. No excuse for that. Please accept my apology. That should have never happened.

As far as the rest of the commentary in my reply goes I stand by that. As a veteran I served to preserve the right of free speech, and the ability to express ones opinions freely. These are my opinions.

Has someone here tried to stop your from giving your opinion freely?

Goodmorning bodecea, a remedial reading comprehension class may help.

 

[gekaap]

I didn't know sexual orientation effected rifle accuracy.

Two of the gay people I knew got perfect scores, 40/40.

 

[bodecea]

I saw a few expressions that people are concerned that their retirement checks aren't coming, but the troops would get paid. The retirement checks for those already in the system will come on time. New applications will be held up. Troops will not be paid unless the 7 day extension passes today.

Democrats should have passed the budget last year. They didn't do this because fear of voter angst during the election. Now the Dem's and republicans are 7 billion dollars apart. This amounts to 7 days worth of interest payments on the mega-trillion dollar debt that this country owes.

Democrats, think that the republicans will be blamed for the coming government shut down. Chuck Schumer, D NY, says said this publicly. He, and the rest of the Dem's are rooting for a government shutdown. This time the American people know exactly who to blame. Democrats are trying to force republicans into leaving things as they are so that the Dem's can continue to squander our national treasure, and bankrupt this country.

I know that this doesn't have anything to do with sexual deviants serving in the military, but I thought that I would respond to the interest expressed in these issues earlier in this thread.

They did. There's a new budget each year, you know.

 

[gekaap]

Yota, perhaps you should move to Afghanistan and help the Taliban regain control. It's clear that you would be much happier under the kind of society that their laws promoted. Geez, and people think that it's foreign extremism that America has to fear. *shakes head*

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The same thing would happen today under DADT. If you declare sexual deviation through action or statement you're gone. Gays can't openly serve in the US Military. It's that simple. People who have served would know that.

And yet they do. If you had taken the time to read the Pentagon survey you would know that almost 70% of the respondents thought that they were serving with someone who was gay or lesbian. Sorry old timer, but the world and the military has moved on from your archaic behaviors and beliefs.

You'd think such a hard-core, like yota5, would be a little-more familiar with military-history; circa 1958!!!​

"When Dennis Murphy's novel, "The Sergeant," appeared in 1958, one reviewer described it as the story of a young man's personal discovery in a contest between good and evil."

The Sergeant​

 

[gautama]

Dr Drek and the other Obamarrhoidal stooge Godog,

First of all, when you pose a hypothetical question like you did with the silent IF ....."You and your men are on patrol and are ambushed and pinned down for hours, etc. then, reasonably, one has to answer with some reasonable qualifications, such as:

IF the ambushed men are wounded, or dying.....or, in need of help......the conditions in our Army are so fucked up regarding the ******* queers allowed to serve....that one HAS NO CHOICE but to ask for the rescue, hoping against hope, that the ******* queers in the rescuing party aren't going to get wounded and bleed their ******* HIV unto the wounded who are normals.

In short, the answer without the hypotheticals, is as the OP stated: when one is now serving in the Military, ONE NO LONGER HAS A CHOICE BUT TO HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF A QUEER'S HIV INFECTED BLOOD GET TRANSFERRED TO YOU IN CASE OF WOUNDS !!!

WTF is necessary for you ******* queers, or queer supporters to understand the OBVIOUS ????

An Addendum: Note GoDog's flamboyant and typically contemptibly phony Obamarrhoidal tactics in the restriction to a rebuttal: "Which is it? No ifs, ands or buts or maybes, wouldas, couldas, oughtas or that would never happens " .......when the Obamarrhoidal arsehole uses the HYPOTHETICAL case himself !!!

The posts by the Obamarrhoidal stooges are typical of the tactics of these arseholes.

I R a Republican Moe.
Try again with some original material next time.

WTF are you babbling about ?

You came out with bullshit and got exposed.

End of story.

 

[rightwinger]

"You have me mistaken for someone else. I have said nothing about meat or pudding." (Seawtch)

You are right Seawtch, I did have you mixed up with someone else. No excuse for that. Please accept my apology. That should have never happened.

As far as the rest of the commentary in my reply goes I stand by that. As a veteran I served to preserve the right of free speech, and the ability to express ones opinions freely. These are my opinions.

Has someone here tried to stop your from giving your opinion freely?

Goodmorning bodecea, a remedial reading comprehension class may help.

Can you show where you were prevented from giving your opinion freely?

People disagreeing with you does not prevent you from expressing your opinion. I appreciate your service in protecting our right to post on internet message boards

 

[gekaap]

Dr Drek and the other Obamarrhoidal stooge Godog,

First of all, when you pose a hypothetical question like you did with the silent IF ....."You and your men are on patrol and are ambushed and pinned down for hours, etc. then, reasonably, one has to answer with some reasonable qualifications, such as:

IF the ambushed men are wounded, or dying.....or, in need of help......the conditions in our Army are so fucked up regarding the ******* queers allowed to serve....that one HAS NO CHOICE but to ask for the rescue, hoping against hope, that the ******* queers in the rescuing party aren't going to get wounded and bleed their ******* HIV unto the wounded who are normals.

In short, the answer without the hypotheticals, is as the OP stated: when one is now serving in the Military, ONE NO LONGER HAS A CHOICE BUT TO HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF A QUEER'S HIV INFECTED BLOOD GET TRANSFERRED TO YOU IN CASE OF WOUNDS !!!

WTF is necessary for you ******* queers, or queer supporters to understand the OBVIOUS ????

On what basis do you presume that gay men and women must have HIV? And on what basis do you disregard the equal possibility of straight men and women having HIV?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Dr Drek and the other Obamarrhoidal stooge Godog,

First of all, when you pose a hypothetical question like you did with the silent IF ....."You and your men are on patrol and are ambushed and pinned down for hours, etc. then, reasonably, one has to answer with some reasonable qualifications, such as:

IF the ambushed men are wounded, or dying.....or, in need of help......the conditions in our Army are so fucked up regarding the ******* queers allowed to serve....that one HAS NO CHOICE but to ask for the rescue, hoping against hope, that the ******* queers in the rescuing party aren't going to get wounded and bleed their ******* HIV unto the wounded who are normals.

In short, the answer without the hypotheticals, is as the OP stated: when one is now serving in the Military, ONE NO LONGER HAS A CHOICE BUT TO HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF A QUEER'S HIV INFECTED BLOOD GET TRANSFERRED TO YOU IN CASE OF WOUNDS !!!

WTF is necessary for you ******* queers, or queer supporters to understand the OBVIOUS ????

On what basis do you presume that gay men and women must have HIV? And on what basis do you disregard the equal possibility of straight men and women having HIV?

Bingo!!!!

"Nobody even cared about AIDS until some straight people caught it.

Reagan’s friend and confidant, the evangelical Billy Graham, said that AIDS was “killing all the right people.”

100 Sentences for Reagan’s 100th Birthday​

 

[BlindBoo]

I'm not interested what other countries allow sexual deviants to do, Boo. America, has the finest military in the world for a reason. Why should we bring our military down to the standards of an inferior fighting force?

Yeah sure yota5, can't lower our standards to the level of Israel or Great Brittan?

The fact that you refer to homesexuals as sexual deviants proves out what others have concluded about you.

 

[yota5]

If you had trained with these countries during NATO exercises you would know that they have a competent military force. However, even the members the two countries that you've cited will tell you that the US is a far superior force.

 

[ogibillm]

The troops are concerned about the paychecks they won't be getting if Republicans shut down government.

Troops will get paid....my retirement however might not come....but that I can put up with.

My wife sent me an email they recieved. They expect more guidance tomorrow but the worst case scenario right now is those that are AGR continue to work, without pay through the shutdown. Those that are technicians will not work and will also not be paid. Travel and training will be shut down with the exception of mobilization events.

i know there are a lot of things still up in the air but right now it looks like the troops - or at least some - will not be paid.

 

[yota5]

I saw a few expressions that people are concerned that their retirement checks aren't coming, but the troops would get paid. The retirement checks for those already in the system will come on time. New applications will be held up. Troops will not be paid unless the 7 day extension passes today.

Democrats should have passed the budget last year. They didn't do this because fear of voter angst during the election. Now the Dem's and republicans are 7 billion dollars apart. This amounts to 7 days worth of interest payments on the mega-trillion dollar debt that this country owes.

Democrats, think that the republicans will be blamed for the coming government shut down. Chuck Schumer, D NY, says said this publicly. He, and the rest of the Dem's are rooting for a government shutdown. This time the American people know exactly who to blame. Democrats are trying to force republicans into leaving things as they are so that the Dem's can continue to squander our national treasure, and bankrupt this country.

I know that this doesn't have anything to do with sexual deviants serving in the military, but I thought that I would respond to the interest expressed in these issues earlier in this thread.

They did. There's a new budget each year, you know.

Bod, if you go back and check you'll see that the liberal controlled Congress didn't pass a budget last year. Instead they kept kicking the can down the road with budget extensions. The bottom line is that they wish to leave things exactly as they are so that they can continue to squander our national treasure. If these clowns worked in the private sector they would've been shown the curb a long time ago.

 

[bodecea]

If you had trained with these countries during NATO exercises you would know that they have a competent military force. However, even the members the two countries that you've cited will tell you that the US is a far superior force.

I doubt seriously someone from another country's military is going to say our military force ( or members) are superior. Our numbers and equipment, yes, actual members...no. In fact, I wish we did like the Brits did with cohesive units that stick together for a long time.

 

[beowolfe]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

Sounds like you and your son are equally uninformed. Gays are ALREADY serving in the military. When you say 'Troops' are you referring to the gay troops and the straight one that don't mind serving next to openly gay troops, or are you simply referring to the homophobes.