The thread where I make Democrats angry- why we lost in 2024!

[OKTexas]

And the funding of the indoctrination of our kids in elementary, middle and high school

And pushing this crap overseas.

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[OKTexas]

Its your party. Quit trying to deflect and address what I actually say.

You want me to leave them alone, tell them freaks to keep their private shit, PRIVATE.

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[pknopp]

You want me to leave them alone, tell them freaks to keep their private shit, PRIVATE.

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Do the same and mind your own business.

 

[OKTexas]

Do the same and mind your own business.

I do, try doing the same and quit pushing this freaky crap in peoples faces.

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[JoeB131]

They threaten our society as a whole, if only you were smart enough to recognize that.

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How.

Come on, tell me how 0.3% of the population is a threat to our society.

The only people who are a threat are the uber-rich. But they are very good at distracting people with nonsense like this.

 

[jotathought]

Since 99% of my posts make Republicans Angry, I thought I'd do a post where I antagonize Democrats with hard, cold truths. Because it seems to me most of the Democrat discussion is "We weren't radical enough!"

So here is my list, 11 reasons why Democrats got their asses handed to them in 2024.

1) Joe Biden – completely and utterly screwed his party. It should have been evident to everyone around him that, at 81, he didn’t have the acuity or stamina to wage a campaign against Trump. He maybe never did, but the unique nature of the 2020 election gave him a pass. In 2020, he promised to be a transitional president. A second term never should have been in the cards.

In any event, Biden should have withdrawn after the 2022 midterms, and the Democrats did better than they deserved to because Trump insisted on extreme MAGA candidates for winnable races. A vigorous primary campaign would have tempered the steel of the eventual nominee.


2) Kamala Harris – In one aspect, it’s easy to be sympathetic; she had to hop in and pick up a ball that had been fumbled. That said, she was a poor candidate. She was a weak candidate in 2020 when she dropped out before the primaries, and she did little to distinguish herself as Vice President. But the Democrats were painted into a corner. Passing over her to pick someone more electable would have been seen as an insult to women and minorities. Additionally, there was the issue of who could legally use the money that Biden had raised to that point.

Harris should have done a self-evaluation and realized that she probably wasn’t the best candidate. She didn’t. We got the result we should have expected.

3) Tim Walz- a lousy pick. He brought nothing to the table. Minnesota hasn’t gone Red since 1972. If the Democrats are seriously fighting for MN, they need to rethink their party. Shapiro, Warnock, anyone who could have helped in a Swing state would have been better.

4) The Corporate Media didn’t do its job- The Corporate Media has this weird symbiotic relationship with Trump. They know he’s repulsive, but he’s good for ratings. He’s reality TV incarnate, normalizing lousy behavior because it’s entertaining. Joe Biden could look a bit confused trying to find the exit, and you’d get speculation about his mental acuity. Trump could rant about Haitians eating cats and Arnold Palmer’s….er… attributes, and nope, nothing to see here.

5) Abortion wasn’t the magic bullet – The initial shock of Dobbs probably saved the Democrats from worse results in 2022, but it was a hand Harris overplayed. Most Americans are ambivalent about abortion. They don’t think it should be illegal, but they don’t like it much, either. Making it the centerpiece of your campaign was a bad idea.

6) Taking Asians and Hispanics for granted – This is the untold story of 2024. Trump didn’t improve his numbers with white voters. He lost a percentage point among them. He only slightly improved his standing with black voters. The two big groups that he gained were Hispanics (+14) and Asians (+6), despite the toxic and racist language coming from Trump on Immigration.

Part of the reason was that the Harris team took them for granted, whereas Trump made genuine outreach. The other part of the problem is that immigration is affecting these communities, and muddled messaging didn’t help.

7) Immigration – Immigration has become a significant crisis, which Biden and Harris did not effectively manage. Part of the problem is immigrants figured out the Asylum loophole and abused the heck out of it. The other part of the problem is that Biden did very little to discourage immigration. While they deported more people than Trump did during his first term, they didn’t like to talk about it because they thought it wouldn’t play well with the Hispanic Community.

8) It’s the economy, stupid. The Biden economy was pretty good. Record stock market growth, record job growth, and low unemployment. The fly in the ointment, of course, was high inflation, driven by global commodities, labor shortages, and, yes, the Trillions in Stimulus That both Trump and Biden pumped into the economy to keep it afloat during COVID-19. The problem was, the Democrats did a poor job talking up the good stuff, and really weren't proactive enough on inflation, other than "Just let the fed handle it by putting home prices out of reach".

9) Transgender rights - Failure to Communicate. Democrats let Republicans run the table with this one. Every time the Republicans dragged out some college girl whining how she didn’t get a trophy, the Democrats should have brought out a transgender girl who transphobic people have abused. They didn’t do this, and the GOP got away with dehumanization.

10) Not holding Trump to account for COVID (or anything else!) – It is MIND-BOGGLING to me how Democrats weren’t reminding people at every step about how Trump mismanaged the COVID crisis (and subsequent recession).

11) Israel and Palestine- trying to thread the needle. This is where they should have taken a stand. Instead, they tried to please both sides and ended up pleasing neither one. So now you have these Arab-Americans in Dearborn, MI, who stayed home. How are things better for you now? ,

A well-written post, and I agree with most of it. Key areas where I don't have alignment are:

Transgender rights: The primary reason democrats lost on this front was that they were forcing Americans to accept identity as a reality.

Kamala Harris: She was clearly a DEI pick after Biden was obligated to select a black female for his VP after making the campaign promise to select a female. She wasn't qualified for the role, didn't meet her obligations for actions tasked by Biden, couldn't speak well, ignored the media for the first month after being given the candidacy, and just wasn't liked (as we saw in 2020).

 

[pknopp]

A well-written post, and I agree with most of it. Key areas where I don't have alignment are:

Transgender rights: The primary reason democrats lost on this front was that they were forcing Americans to accept identity as a reality.

It is a reality. Do you have an issue with gravity also?

 

[JoeB131]

Transgender rights: The primary reason democrats lost on this front was that they were forcing Americans to accept identity as a reality

No, they just did a poor job countering Trump's bigotry. Transgenders are the last group that it's still somewhat acceptable to hate, for now.

Kamala Harris: She was clearly a DEI pick after Biden was obligated to select a black female for his VP after making the campaign promise to select a female. She wasn't qualified for the role, didn't meet her obligations for actions tasked by Biden, couldn't speak well, ignored the media for the first month after being given the candidacy, and just wasn't liked (as we saw in 2020).

What constitutes "Qualified"? She was at least as qualified as Dan Quayle and probably more qualified than Sarah Palin. Definitely more qualified than Shady Vance, who didn't even complete 2 years in the Senate.

 

[OKTexas]

How.

Come on, tell me how 0.3% of the population is a threat to our society.

The only people who are a threat are the uber-rich. But they are very good at distracting people with nonsense like this.

More than that .03% was being spent propagandizing our children and people around the world. Thank God that shit is being stopped.

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[JoeB131]

More than that .03% was being spent propagandizing our children and people around the world. Thank God that shit is being stopped.

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Do you have figures on what was spent on transgender rights?

It's probably not as much as you think compared to a 7 Trillion dollar budget and hundreds of billions in state budgets.

According to Google AI, the total spent on all LGBTQ initiatives (not just Trans) is only 4 Billion. Out of 7 Trillion in Federal Spending, that comes out to less than 0.1%

 

[pknopp]

More than that .03% was being spent propagandizing our children and people around the world. Thank God that shit is being stopped.

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You can't stop how people are born.

 

[OKTexas]

Do you have figures on what was spent on transgender rights?

It's probably not as much as you think compared to a 7 Trillion dollar budget and hundreds of billions in state budgets.

According to Google AI, the total spent on all LGBTQ initiatives (not just Trans) is only 4 Billion. Out of 7 Trillion in Federal Spending, that comes out to less than 0.1%

That is still greater than the .03%, by 3X.

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[whutTHEYsay]

1) Joe Biden – completely and utterly screwed his party.

Nope! Low education white males want the goddamn chaos that bro Trump and bro Musk is delivering. They still want it. No Democratic candidate could sway those idiots from wanting to crash and burn the United States of America and start over from the rubbme.

leaving Biden, misses the point of who the enemy is. Here’s a clue. They go to church on Wednesday night, Saturday night and Sunday morning. They think Democrats are satanic or commies or bioth . There are 30 to 40 million of them. They are convinced by their preachers that Joe Biden attempted to kill the president and overturned Roe versus Wade.

 

[JoeB131]

That is still greater than the .03%, by 3X.

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I didn't say .03, I said 0.3% of the population is transgender. (and that's the most conservative estimate.)

So we are spending, less than 0.1% of the budget on 0.3% of the population, but even that's being generous.

The cost was for all LGBTQ programs, which is probably 10% of the population.

 

[OKTexas]

I didn't say .03, I said 0.3% of the population is transgender. (and that's the most conservative estimate.)

So we are spending, less than 0.1% of the budget on 0.3% of the population, but even that's being generous.

The cost was for all LGBTQ programs, which is probably 10% of the population.

As usual, I think that 0.3% is a gross exaggeration. Keep adding to that alphabet line and you can claim the freaks are 25% of the population. This is a total waste of time, and my very first statement in the thread stands. Keep it up please, and keep alienating the normals. It's done soooooooooooo well for ya so far.

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[whutTHEYsay]

100 56 ttwimdaw …~… Dems who blame Dems learned nothing ~ the blame goes to Republican Party lawlessness.

JoeB131’s reasons why Democrats got their asses handed to them in 2024 ttwimdaw00001 …~… 1) JoeBiden – completely and utterly screwed his party.

whut I say ttwimdaw00156 …~… Do you recognize JoeB? that the Republican Party is a lawless party as of the moment Don Trump Jr put the plan in writing on November 5, 2020 as to how his daddy was going to stay in power without winning the election?

And then his daddy put it in writing and said it during his speech on J6 that himself being a sitting president of the United States of America who lost an election was justified to lead a criminal conspiracy where fraud was committed on his behalf in seven states so that he could become president instead of Joe Biden on January 6, 2021

The lawless Republican Party stands by this criminal activity despite Trump’s admissible evidence of attempted crimes to this day

what Don Trump said during his J6 speech to the mob he gathered in DC to assist in overturning the election that he lost… : …~… “All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.”​

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whut Don Trump Jr texted on November 5, 2020 to Mark Meadows; “Republicans control 28 states Democrats 22 states. Once again Trump wins, WE either have a vote WE control and WE win OR it gets kicked to Congress 6 January 2021 ” 'Total Control': Trump Jr. Pushed Coup Plot In November 2020 Texts To Meadows.​

We Democrat voters would have been victims of this coup had Mike Pence decided to participate in it. We have a right to decide that the Republican Party is a lawless party and unfit to hold any office simply because they support an absolute threat to our democracy in 2021 to run again in 2024.

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[JoeB131]

As usual, I think that 0.3% is a gross exaggeration. Keep adding to that alphabet line and you can claim the freaks are 25% of the population. This is a total waste of time, and my very first statement in the thread stands. Keep it up please, and keep alienating the normals. It's done soooooooooooo well for ya so far.

Or you eventually lose.

Let's take gay marriage. George W. Bush ran on how he was going to save America from the scourge of gay marriage in 2004, and slipped past John Kerry to avoid getting sent to the Hague for War Crimes.

But then he screwed up Iraq and the economy, and by 2008, the GOP had lost everything. By 2011, states started legalizing gay marriage and SCOTUS agreed that "God thinks it's Icky" is not a good enough excuse, and people agreed.

That people have already accepted L-G-B and now you guys are fixated on the T as the last group it's kind of okay to hate on, shows you are out of ideas.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you recognize JoeB? that the Republican Party is a lawless party as of the moment Don Trump Jr put the plan in writing on November 5, 2020 as to how his daddy was going to stay in power without winning the election?

And then his daddy put it in writing and said it during his speech on J6 that himself being a sitting president of the United States of America who lost an election was justified to lead a criminal conspiracy where fraud was committed on his behalf in seven states so that he could become president instead of Joe Biden on January 6, 2021

The lawless Republican Party stands by this criminal activity despite Trump’s admissible evidence of attempted crimes to this day

All of this is true. Still doesn't take away from my point that 90% of the damage the Democrats incurred in 2024 was self-inficted, either by a failure to act or a failure to communicate.

 

[DonGlock26]

Since 99% of my posts make Republicans Angry, I thought I'd do a post where I antagonize Democrats with hard, cold truths. Because it seems to me most of the Democrat discussion is "We weren't radical enough!"

So here is my list, 11 reasons why Democrats got their asses handed to them in 2024.

1) Joe Biden – completely and utterly screwed his party. It should have been evident to everyone around him that, at 81, he didn’t have the acuity or stamina to wage a campaign against Trump. He maybe never did, but the unique nature of the 2020 election gave him a pass. In 2020, he promised to be a transitional president. A second term never should have been in the cards.

In any event, Biden should have withdrawn after the 2022 midterms, and the Democrats did better than they deserved to because Trump insisted on extreme MAGA candidates for winnable races. A vigorous primary campaign would have tempered the steel of the eventual nominee.


2) Kamala Harris – In one aspect, it’s easy to be sympathetic; she had to hop in and pick up a ball that had been fumbled. That said, she was a poor candidate. She was a weak candidate in 2020 when she dropped out before the primaries, and she did little to distinguish herself as Vice President. But the Democrats were painted into a corner. Passing over her to pick someone more electable would have been seen as an insult to women and minorities. Additionally, there was the issue of who could legally use the money that Biden had raised to that point.

Harris should have done a self-evaluation and realized that she probably wasn’t the best candidate. She didn’t. We got the result we should have expected.

3) Tim Walz- a lousy pick. He brought nothing to the table. Minnesota hasn’t gone Red since 1972. If the Democrats are seriously fighting for MN, they need to rethink their party. Shapiro, Warnock, anyone who could have helped in a Swing state would have been better.

4) The Corporate Media didn’t do its job- The Corporate Media has this weird symbiotic relationship with Trump. They know he’s repulsive, but he’s good for ratings. He’s reality TV incarnate, normalizing lousy behavior because it’s entertaining. Joe Biden could look a bit confused trying to find the exit, and you’d get speculation about his mental acuity. Trump could rant about Haitians eating cats and Arnold Palmer’s….er… attributes, and nope, nothing to see here.

5) Abortion wasn’t the magic bullet – The initial shock of Dobbs probably saved the Democrats from worse results in 2022, but it was a hand Harris overplayed. Most Americans are ambivalent about abortion. They don’t think it should be illegal, but they don’t like it much, either. Making it the centerpiece of your campaign was a bad idea.

6) Taking Asians and Hispanics for granted – This is the untold story of 2024. Trump didn’t improve his numbers with white voters. He lost a percentage point among them. He only slightly improved his standing with black voters. The two big groups that he gained were Hispanics (+14) and Asians (+6), despite the toxic and racist language coming from Trump on Immigration.

Part of the reason was that the Harris team took them for granted, whereas Trump made genuine outreach. The other part of the problem is that immigration is affecting these communities, and muddled messaging didn’t help.

7) Immigration – Immigration has become a significant crisis, which Biden and Harris did not effectively manage. Part of the problem is immigrants figured out the Asylum loophole and abused the heck out of it. The other part of the problem is that Biden did very little to discourage immigration. While they deported more people than Trump did during his first term, they didn’t like to talk about it because they thought it wouldn’t play well with the Hispanic Community.

8) It’s the economy, stupid. The Biden economy was pretty good. Record stock market growth, record job growth, and low unemployment. The fly in the ointment, of course, was high inflation, driven by global commodities, labor shortages, and, yes, the Trillions in Stimulus That both Trump and Biden pumped into the economy to keep it afloat during COVID-19. The problem was, the Democrats did a poor job talking up the good stuff, and really weren't proactive enough on inflation, other than "Just let the fed handle it by putting home prices out of reach".

9) Transgender rights - Failure to Communicate. Democrats let Republicans run the table with this one. Every time the Republicans dragged out some college girl whining how she didn’t get a trophy, the Democrats should have brought out a transgender girl who transphobic people have abused. They didn’t do this, and the GOP got away with dehumanization.

10) Not holding Trump to account for COVID (or anything else!) – It is MIND-BOGGLING to me how Democrats weren’t reminding people at every step about how Trump mismanaged the COVID crisis (and subsequent recession).

11) Israel and Palestine- trying to thread the needle. This is where they should have taken a stand. Instead, they tried to please both sides and ended up pleasing neither one. So now you have these Arab-Americans in Dearborn, MI, who stayed home. How are things better for you now? ,

Democrat leaders are just criminal grifters. Their base are radical Leftists and "free shit" Gimme Dats.

Most of the "My dad always voted Democrat" folks have woken up and wear MAGA ballcaps.

 

[JoeB131]

Democrat leaders are just criminal grifters. Their base are radical Leftists and "free shit" Gimme Dats.

Most of the "My dad always voted Democrat" folks have woken up and wear MAGA ballcaps.

Meeeeh, not really.

Trump really hasn't done much better than Romney. Romney got 47% of the vote in 2012. Trump's record is 46.2, 46.9, and 49.8.

He won because the Democrats ran a poor campaign, not because people suddenly started liking what he is saying.

When the markets crash and the economy goes into the shitter, people are going to quickly regret their mistake.