The Texas lawsuit and the possible end of our republic.

I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
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No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.

Idiot, the deficit is an issue going back decades, and you want to pin it on Trump for political points?

China probably has the most COVID deaths, they can just lie about it, and you are OK with that.

Europe is having a major surge, weren't they the example you always pointed out?

Don't worry, Biden will sell us out to China like you want.
Trump drastically increased the deficit with his policies, what don't you understand? His policy to drastically increase military spending and cut taxes that didn't create economic growth. You seem to be the idiot...

Probably? Sure they do. We have been surging too. We have the most deaths, giant failure.

Sell us to China? Trump has failed. He hurt our manufacturing and we still buy more than ever from China.
Well, Marty sort of unintentionally points to the issues Trump raised. I think Trump's campaign of ego or making himself the issue of grievance deflects from why the gop lost the WH. The gop lost wherever Trump was the issue, rather than issues being the issue.

The very progressives want to ignore that most of us don't like illegal immigration, even among latinos, we don't want cops defunded. I'm confident the gop could prevail upon ending racial preferences in public colleges if aid was available to poor kids. Trump was right that we are tired of nationbuilding in Afghan, and Obama was right on Iraq, although Trump's insecure ego prevented him from acknowledging that. W pretty much fuked the pooch on the gop's claim to "natl security."

It's true that the gop tried out the idea of stimulating the econ to past 2% growth, and trying for 4%, with deficits. It didn't work, as you point out. We increased deficits. But there were economists more to the left who thought it might work too.

Trump's insecure ego required him to make China and trade about his manliness as opposed to Xi, and Xi is more manly. Case closed. But we have to make some deal with the EU to confront China's use of trade as economic war. And the UK will have to trail behind like a broken down spaniel.

So Trump's need to be groomed with personal subservience, if not adoration, is a personality disorder. And the gop detracts from the issues when it engages, because most people really really think Trump is at best unpleasant. But it the gop sticks to the issues, the gop can win. Esp if the dems go too far left.
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
Note the date

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No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.

Idiot, the deficit is an issue going back decades, and you want to pin it on Trump for political points?

China probably has the most COVID deaths, they can just lie about it, and you are OK with that.

Europe is having a major surge, weren't they the example you always pointed out?

Don't worry, Biden will sell us out to China like you want.
Trump drastically increased the deficit with his policies, what don't you understand? His policy to drastically increase military spending and cut taxes that didn't create economic growth. You seem to be the idiot...

Probably? Sure they do. We have been surging too. We have the most deaths, giant failure.

Sell us to China? Trump has failed. He hurt our manufacturing and we still buy more than ever from China.
Well, Marty sort of unintentionally points to the issues Trump raised. I think Trump's campaign of ego or making himself the issue of grievance detracts why the gop lost the WH. The gop lost wherever Trump was the issue, rather than issues being the issue.

The very progressives want to ignore that most of us don't like illegal immigration, even among latinos, we don't want cops defunded. I'm confident the gop could prevail upon ending racial preferences in public colleges if aid was available to poor kids. Trump was right that we are tired of nationbuilding in Afghan, and Obama was right on Iraq, although Trump's insecure ego prevented him from acknowledging that. W pretty much fuked the pooch on the gop's claim to "natl security."

It's true that the gop tried out the idea of stimulating the econ to past 2% growth, and trying for 4%, with deficits. It didn't work, as you point out. We increased deficits. But there were economists more to the left who thought it might work too.

Trump's insecure ego required him to make China and trade about his manliness as opposed to Xi, and Xi is more manly. Case closed. But we have to make some deal with the EU to confront China's use of trade as economic war. And the UK will have to trail behind like a broken down spaniel.

So Trump's need to be groomed with personal subservience, if not adoration, is a personality disorder. And the gop detracts from the issues when it engages, because most people really really think Trump is at best unpleasant. But it the gop sticks to the issues, the gop can win. Esp if the dems go too far left.
Hopefully the Dems will avoid that temptation. As flawed as he is, Biden may be the right person to put some brakes on the madness.
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
Note the date

View attachment 428214
No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.

Idiot, the deficit is an issue going back decades, and you want to pin it on Trump for political points?

China probably has the most COVID deaths, they can just lie about it, and you are OK with that.

Europe is having a major surge, weren't they the example you always pointed out?

Don't worry, Biden will sell us out to China like you want.
Trump drastically increased the deficit with his policies, what don't you understand? His policy to drastically increase military spending and cut taxes that didn't create economic growth. You seem to be the idiot...

Probably? Sure they do. We have been surging too. We have the most deaths, giant failure.

Sell us to China? Trump has failed. He hurt our manufacturing and we still buy more than ever from China.
Well, Marty sort of unintentionally points to the issues Trump raised. I think Trump's campaign of ego or making himself the issue of grievance detracts why the gop lost the WH. The gop lost wherever Trump was the issue, rather than issues being the issue.

The very progressives want to ignore that most of us don't like illegal immigration, even among latinos, we don't want cops defunded. I'm confident the gop could prevail upon ending racial preferences in public colleges if aid was available to poor kids. Trump was right that we are tired of nationbuilding in Afghan, and Obama was right on Iraq, although Trump's insecure ego prevented him from acknowledging that. W pretty much fuked the pooch on the gop's claim to "natl security."

It's true that the gop tried out the idea of stimulating the econ to past 2% growth, and trying for 4%, with deficits. It didn't work, as you point out. We increased deficits. But there were economists more to the left who thought it might work too.

Trump's insecure ego required him to make China and trade about his manliness as opposed to Xi, and Xi is more manly. Case closed. But we have to make some deal with the EU to confront China's use of trade as economic war. And the UK will have to trail behind like a broken down spaniel.

So Trump's need to be groomed with personal subservience, if not adoration, is a personality disorder. And the gop detracts from the issues when it engages, because most people really really think Trump is at best unpleasant. But it the gop sticks to the issues, the gop can win. Esp if the dems go too far left.
Hopefully the Dems will avoid that temptation. As flawed as he is, Biden may be the right person to put some brakes on the madness.

Biden couldn't apply the brakes on a Barbie Power-wheel truck.

He's just the front man for a progressive inner circle that will be calling the shots, and waiting to get Kamala up to the batter's box.
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
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No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.

Idiot, the deficit is an issue going back decades, and you want to pin it on Trump for political points?

China probably has the most COVID deaths, they can just lie about it, and you are OK with that.

Europe is having a major surge, weren't they the example you always pointed out?

Don't worry, Biden will sell us out to China like you want.
Trump drastically increased the deficit with his policies, what don't you understand? His policy to drastically increase military spending and cut taxes that didn't create economic growth. You seem to be the idiot...

Probably? Sure they do. We have been surging too. We have the most deaths, giant failure.

Sell us to China? Trump has failed. He hurt our manufacturing and we still buy more than ever from China.
Well, Marty sort of unintentionally points to the issues Trump raised. I think Trump's campaign of ego or making himself the issue of grievance detracts why the gop lost the WH. The gop lost wherever Trump was the issue, rather than issues being the issue.

The very progressives want to ignore that most of us don't like illegal immigration, even among latinos, we don't want cops defunded. I'm confident the gop could prevail upon ending racial preferences in public colleges if aid was available to poor kids. Trump was right that we are tired of nationbuilding in Afghan, and Obama was right on Iraq, although Trump's insecure ego prevented him from acknowledging that. W pretty much fuked the pooch on the gop's claim to "natl security."

It's true that the gop tried out the idea of stimulating the econ to past 2% growth, and trying for 4%, with deficits. It didn't work, as you point out. We increased deficits. But there were economists more to the left who thought it might work too.

Trump's insecure ego required him to make China and trade about his manliness as opposed to Xi, and Xi is more manly. Case closed. But we have to make some deal with the EU to confront China's use of trade as economic war. And the UK will have to trail behind like a broken down spaniel.

So Trump's need to be groomed with personal subservience, if not adoration, is a personality disorder. And the gop detracts from the issues when it engages, because most people really really think Trump is at best unpleasant. But it the gop sticks to the issues, the gop can win. Esp if the dems go too far left.
Hopefully the Dems will avoid that temptation. As flawed as he is, Biden may be the right person to put some brakes on the madness.
He's a dem, but I don't really mind Biden. Elections happen every 2 and 4 years. We're supposed to go along with them, and move on. That's the beauty of America. There really aren't losers, unless you're in the "thrall" of Trump. The reality is that he could have been seen as a guy who moved the nation along. This is not the party of the Bush Family anymore. But that was just too small for his enoromousness.
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
Note the date

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No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.

Idiot, the deficit is an issue going back decades, and you want to pin it on Trump for political points?

China probably has the most COVID deaths, they can just lie about it, and you are OK with that.

Europe is having a major surge, weren't they the example you always pointed out?

Don't worry, Biden will sell us out to China like you want.
Trump drastically increased the deficit with his policies, what don't you understand? His policy to drastically increase military spending and cut taxes that didn't create economic growth. You seem to be the idiot...

Probably? Sure they do. We have been surging too. We have the most deaths, giant failure.

Sell us to China? Trump has failed. He hurt our manufacturing and we still buy more than ever from China.
Well, Marty sort of unintentionally points to the issues Trump raised. I think Trump's campaign of ego or making himself the issue of grievance detracts why the gop lost the WH. The gop lost wherever Trump was the issue, rather than issues being the issue.

The very progressives want to ignore that most of us don't like illegal immigration, even among latinos, we don't want cops defunded. I'm confident the gop could prevail upon ending racial preferences in public colleges if aid was available to poor kids. Trump was right that we are tired of nationbuilding in Afghan, and Obama was right on Iraq, although Trump's insecure ego prevented him from acknowledging that. W pretty much fuked the pooch on the gop's claim to "natl security."

It's true that the gop tried out the idea of stimulating the econ to past 2% growth, and trying for 4%, with deficits. It didn't work, as you point out. We increased deficits. But there were economists more to the left who thought it might work too.

Trump's insecure ego required him to make China and trade about his manliness as opposed to Xi, and Xi is more manly. Case closed. But we have to make some deal with the EU to confront China's use of trade as economic war. And the UK will have to trail behind like a broken down spaniel.

So Trump's need to be groomed with personal subservience, if not adoration, is a personality disorder. And the gop detracts from the issues when it engages, because most people really really think Trump is at best unpleasant. But it the gop sticks to the issues, the gop can win. Esp if the dems go too far left.
Hopefully the Dems will avoid that temptation. As flawed as he is, Biden may be the right person to put some brakes on the madness.
He's a dem, but I don't really mind Biden. Elections happen every 2 and 4 years. We're supposed to go along with them, and move on. That's the beauty of America. There really aren't losers, unless you're in the "thrall" of Trump. The reality is that he could have been seen as a guy who moved the nation along. This is not the party of the Bush Family anymore. But that was just too small for his enoromousness.
We're all losers. Biden and the Dims will destroy this country. They have already destroyed the integrity of our elections. The Dims will swindle every election from here on.
 
He's a dem, but I don't really mind Biden. Elections happen every 2 and 4 years. We're supposed to go along with them, and move on. That's the beauty of America. There really aren't losers, unless you're in the "thrall" of Trump. The reality is that he could have been seen as a guy who moved the nation along. This is not the party of the Bush Family anymore. But that was just too small for his enoromousness.
It used to be for years and years that if the nation was prosperous (considering all the covid shut downs it has been) and the country was at peace, it is, the incumbent was a shoo in.

But that was before the Dominion vote changing machine and corrupt Joe Biden.
And a nation comprised of whiny six year olds who simply don't like Donald Trump's personality.
The joke is on all those refugees who fled socialist dictators to live in freedom and prosperity here.
The rug has been pulled out from under their feet with the theft of the presidency.
 
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I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
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No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.
NOT.
Yes you clearly don't understand. Our trade deficit is as big as ever and he hurt our manufacturing. Funny what you call winning....
Tarrifs don't hurt manufacturing, moron. They hurt consumers. Places like South Korea and Japan have had stiff tariffs for years.
Actually they do and have every time they are tried. Our manufacturing has been forced to pay more for parts and resources. That makes them less competitive in the world market and sales go down. You trumpers are so stupid....
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
Note the date

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No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.

Idiot, the deficit is an issue going back decades, and you want to pin it on Trump for political points?

China probably has the most COVID deaths, they can just lie about it, and you are OK with that.

Europe is having a major surge, weren't they the example you always pointed out?

Don't worry, Biden will sell us out to China like you want.
Trump drastically increased the deficit with his policies, what don't you understand? His policy to drastically increase military spending and cut taxes that didn't create economic growth. You seem to be the idiot...

Probably? Sure they do. We have been surging too. We have the most deaths, giant failure.

Sell us to China? Trump has failed. He hurt our manufacturing and we still buy more than ever from China.
Well, Marty sort of unintentionally points to the issues Trump raised. I think Trump's campaign of ego or making himself the issue of grievance detracts why the gop lost the WH. The gop lost wherever Trump was the issue, rather than issues being the issue.

The very progressives want to ignore that most of us don't like illegal immigration, even among latinos, we don't want cops defunded. I'm confident the gop could prevail upon ending racial preferences in public colleges if aid was available to poor kids. Trump was right that we are tired of nationbuilding in Afghan, and Obama was right on Iraq, although Trump's insecure ego prevented him from acknowledging that. W pretty much fuked the pooch on the gop's claim to "natl security."

It's true that the gop tried out the idea of stimulating the econ to past 2% growth, and trying for 4%, with deficits. It didn't work, as you point out. We increased deficits. But there were economists more to the left who thought it might work too.

Trump's insecure ego required him to make China and trade about his manliness as opposed to Xi, and Xi is more manly. Case closed. But we have to make some deal with the EU to confront China's use of trade as economic war. And the UK will have to trail behind like a broken down spaniel.

So Trump's need to be groomed with personal subservience, if not adoration, is a personality disorder. And the gop detracts from the issues when it engages, because most people really really think Trump is at best unpleasant. But it the gop sticks to the issues, the gop can win. Esp if the dems go too far left.
Hopefully the Dems will avoid that temptation. As flawed as he is, Biden may be the right person to put some brakes on the madness.
He's a dem, but I don't really mind Biden. Elections happen every 2 and 4 years. We're supposed to go along with them, and move on. That's the beauty of America. There really aren't losers, unless you're in the "thrall" of Trump. The reality is that he could have been seen as a guy who moved the nation along. This is not the party of the Bush Family anymore. But that was just too small for his enoromousness.
We're all losers. Biden and the Dims will destroy this country. They have already destroyed the integrity of our elections. The Dims will swindle every election from here on.
4 years ago sure was better than this.
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
Note the date

View attachment 428214
No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.
NOT.
Yes you clearly don't understand. Our trade deficit is as big as ever and he hurt our manufacturing. Funny what you call winning....
Tarrifs don't hurt manufacturing, moron. They hurt consumers. Places like South Korea and Japan have had stiff tariffs for years.
Fed study: Tariffs have hurt manufacturing employment and increased prices - Axios
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
Note the date

View attachment 428214
No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.
NOT.
Yes you clearly don't understand. Our trade deficit is as big as ever and he hurt our manufacturing. Funny what you call winning....
Tarrifs don't hurt manufacturing, moron. They hurt consumers. Places like South Korea and Japan have had stiff tariffs for years.
Fed study: Tariffs have hurt manufacturing employment and increased prices - Axios

Short term pain is expected to get better long term results.

Should we just let China dictate trade policy?
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
Note the date

View attachment 428214
No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.

Idiot, the deficit is an issue going back decades, and you want to pin it on Trump for political points?

China probably has the most COVID deaths, they can just lie about it, and you are OK with that.

Europe is having a major surge, weren't they the example you always pointed out?

Don't worry, Biden will sell us out to China like you want.
Trump drastically increased the deficit with his policies, what don't you understand? His policy to drastically increase military spending and cut taxes that didn't create economic growth. You seem to be the idiot...

Probably? Sure they do. We have been surging too. We have the most deaths, giant failure.

Sell us to China? Trump has failed. He hurt our manufacturing and we still buy more than ever from China.
Well, Marty sort of unintentionally points to the issues Trump raised. I think Trump's campaign of ego or making himself the issue of grievance detracts why the gop lost the WH. The gop lost wherever Trump was the issue, rather than issues being the issue.

The very progressives want to ignore that most of us don't like illegal immigration, even among latinos, we don't want cops defunded. I'm confident the gop could prevail upon ending racial preferences in public colleges if aid was available to poor kids. Trump was right that we are tired of nationbuilding in Afghan, and Obama was right on Iraq, although Trump's insecure ego prevented him from acknowledging that. W pretty much fuked the pooch on the gop's claim to "natl security."

It's true that the gop tried out the idea of stimulating the econ to past 2% growth, and trying for 4%, with deficits. It didn't work, as you point out. We increased deficits. But there were economists more to the left who thought it might work too.

Trump's insecure ego required him to make China and trade about his manliness as opposed to Xi, and Xi is more manly. Case closed. But we have to make some deal with the EU to confront China's use of trade as economic war. And the UK will have to trail behind like a broken down spaniel.

So Trump's need to be groomed with personal subservience, if not adoration, is a personality disorder. And the gop detracts from the issues when it engages, because most people really really think Trump is at best unpleasant. But it the gop sticks to the issues, the gop can win. Esp if the dems go too far left.
Hopefully the Dems will avoid that temptation. As flawed as he is, Biden may be the right person to put some brakes on the madness.

Biden couldn't apply the brakes on a Barbie Power-wheel truck.

He's just the front man for a progressive inner circle that will be calling the shots, and waiting to get Kamala up to the batter's box.
Well, if you say so.
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
Note the date

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No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.
NOT.
Yes you clearly don't understand. Our trade deficit is as big as ever and he hurt our manufacturing. Funny what you call winning....
Tarrifs don't hurt manufacturing, moron. They hurt consumers. Places like South Korea and Japan have had stiff tariffs for years.
Fed study: Tariffs have hurt manufacturing employment and increased prices - Axios

Short term pain is expected to get better long term results.

Should we just let China dictate trade policy?
Yeah and trade wars are easy to win. You idiots will believe anything. There is no long term results!!!! Let the market work, government shouldn't be meddling. I love how you pretend conservatives run to big government to fix imaginary problems.
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
Note the date

View attachment 428214
No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.
NOT.
Yes you clearly don't understand. Our trade deficit is as big as ever and he hurt our manufacturing. Funny what you call winning....
Tarrifs don't hurt manufacturing, moron. They hurt consumers. Places like South Korea and Japan have had stiff tariffs for years.
Fed study: Tariffs have hurt manufacturing employment and increased prices - Axios
Trying to discuss economics/markets with Trumpsters is a waste of time. They've received their "training" from Limbaugh and Hannity, who tell them that they know more than anyone else.

It can be a little depressing, actually.
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
Note the date

View attachment 428214
No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.
NOT.
Yes you clearly don't understand. Our trade deficit is as big as ever and he hurt our manufacturing. Funny what you call winning....
Tarrifs don't hurt manufacturing, moron. They hurt consumers. Places like South Korea and Japan have had stiff tariffs for years.
Fed study: Tariffs have hurt manufacturing employment and increased prices - Axios
Trying to discuss economics/markets with Trumpsters is a waste of time. They've received their "training" from Limbaugh and Hannity, who tell them that they know more than anyone else.

It can be a little depressing, actually.
Indeed it is. Trumps TV economist seemed to understand these things until he went to the white house. The previous economic adviser at least had a spine and quite when trump insisted on failed policy.
 
Yes you clearly don't understand. Our trade deficit is as big as ever and he hurt our manufacturing. Funny what you call winning....
Tarrifs don't hurt manufacturing, moron. They hurt consumers. Places like South Korea and Japan have had stiff tariffs for years.
Actually they do and have every time they are tried. Our manufacturing has been forced to pay more for parts and resources. That makes them less competitive in the world market and sales go down. You trumpers are so stupid....

Actually, they don't. Do you believe South Korean and Japanese manufacturers are suffering from tariffs? Go to Seoul Korea and what do you see, nothing but cars made in South Korea. They don't import cars, and neither does Japan. Manufacturing is thriving in both countries.

Tariff's are generally applied on finished goods, but sometimes as a result of union pressure they get applied to raw materials or intermediate goods like steel. The later are clearly harmful to manufactures.

You're just plain full of shit, and you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
 
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I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
Note the date

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No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.
NOT.
Yes you clearly don't understand. Our trade deficit is as big as ever and he hurt our manufacturing. Funny what you call winning....
Tarrifs don't hurt manufacturing, moron. They hurt consumers. Places like South Korea and Japan have had stiff tariffs for years.
Fed study: Tariffs have hurt manufacturing employment and increased prices - Axios
Trying to discuss economics/markets with Trumpsters is a waste of time. They've received their "training" from Limbaugh and Hannity, who tell them that they know more than anyone else.

It can be a little depressing, actually.
ROFL Your theory that you understand economics couldn't be more absurd.
 
Yes you clearly don't understand. Our trade deficit is as big as ever and he hurt our manufacturing. Funny what you call winning....
Tarrifs don't hurt manufacturing, moron. They hurt consumers. Places like South Korea and Japan have had stiff tariffs for years.
Actually they do and have every time they are tried. Our manufacturing has been forced to pay more for parts and resources. That makes them less competitive in the world market and sales go down. You trumpers are so stupid....

Actually, they don't. Do you believe South Korean and Japanese manufacturers are suffering from tariffs? Go to Seoul Korea and what do you see, nothing but cars made in South Korea. They don't import cars, and neither does Japan. Manufacturing is thriving in both countries.

Tariff's are generally applied on finished goods, but sometimes as a result of union pressure they get applied to raw materials or intermediate goods like steel. The later are clearly harmful to manufactures.

You're just plain full of shit, and you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Yeah look at all that success from the trump tariffs. How many times do you need to see failure to realize you are wrong? Do you think we sell more cars when we are paying a higher price for steel than other countries? How does that help our manufacturing?

Reagan knew.
Reagan on Free Trade and Siren Song of Protectionism - YouTube
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
Note the date

View attachment 428214
No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.
NOT.
Yes you clearly don't understand. Our trade deficit is as big as ever and he hurt our manufacturing. Funny what you call winning....
Tarrifs don't hurt manufacturing, moron. They hurt consumers. Places like South Korea and Japan have had stiff tariffs for years.
Fed study: Tariffs have hurt manufacturing employment and increased prices - Axios

Short term pain is expected to get better long term results.

Should we just let China dictate trade policy?
Yeah and trade wars are easy to win. You idiots will believe anything. There is no long term results!!!! Let the market work, government shouldn't be meddling. I love how you pretend conservatives run to big government to fix imaginary problems.

How do you let the market work when the competitors entire economic and political system is designed to fuck with the market?

Do you enjoy sucking Chinese dick or is it a necessary part of your life choices?
 
Yes you clearly don't understand. Our trade deficit is as big as ever and he hurt our manufacturing. Funny what you call winning....
Tarrifs don't hurt manufacturing, moron. They hurt consumers. Places like South Korea and Japan have had stiff tariffs for years.
Actually they do and have every time they are tried. Our manufacturing has been forced to pay more for parts and resources. That makes them less competitive in the world market and sales go down. You trumpers are so stupid....

Actually, they don't. Do you believe South Korean and Japanese manufacturers are suffering from tariffs? Go to Seoul Korea and what do you see, nothing but cars made in South Korea. They don't import cars, and neither does Japan. Manufacturing is thriving in both countries.

Tariff's are generally applied on finished goods, but sometimes as a result of union pressure they get applied to raw materials or intermediate goods like steel. The later are clearly harmful to manufactures.

You're just plain full of shit, and you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Yeah look at all that success from the trump tariffs. How many times do you need to see failure to realize you are wrong? Do you think we sell more cars when we are paying a higher price for steel than other countries? How does that help our manufacturing?

Reagan knew.
Reagan on Free Trade and Siren Song of Protectionism - YouTube
We had an unemplyment rate of 3.7 %, so I would say they were quite successful

BTW, turd, I already said that tariffs on intermediate goods and raw materials are not good for manufacturers, but tariffs on cars, computers, televisions and appliances are quite beneficial to domestic manufacturers.
 
I'm not going to bothering reading the thread ... looks like the same vomit from yesterday ...

Anyone dared comment on the merits of the case yet? ... the OP is crazy wrong ... if we let Texas dictate how Michigan interprets their own laws ... pfffft ... worst, allow Texas to go straight to SCOTUS ... well ... then ... er ...

What's to stop California from telling Mississippi how to run their education system? ... and going straight to SCOTUS with the complaint ...

No ... I didn';t think anyone wanted to discuss this matter honestly ... sorry for interrupting ...

This is what annoys me the worst. I know this is a Hail Mary and it has no chance of overturning the election, but the fact that Texas even had a path to take this directly to the SC with 1) no successful lower court rulings, and 2) Able to file a lawsuit that essentially is looking to interfere in another states' affairs....is a complete travesty.
So you have no idea about how multiple state issues are resolved. It goes directly to the supreme court. Always. Always. Always.
You are not worthy of adding to this conversation as you are naive as to how a republic works.

FYI....we are a republic.
I laugh at those that attempt to debate and say things that are not factually correct. Its like "Rachel Maddow said this so I can regirgitate it
There IS no issue, snowflake. That's the point. This is frivolous. Texas has NO standing to question another state's process. They suffered no harm.
So do me a favor and stow your upturned nose. I don't give a shit.
Oh. I see. A state voted legally, and their electoral college votes are offset by a state that votes against the constitution. Got it.
Good for you.

So what you're really trying to say here is that state's DON'T have the right to make their own laws. Again, selective interpretation. So much for that yellowed scrap of paper.
Texas wasn't harmed therefore has no standing to bring the suit...unless you are postulating that because Texas voted for Trump, these other states have to as well.
Uh...excuse me. I never said that. States get to make their own laws. Always. Governors and judges do not have the right to change those laws according to the constitution. Only LAW MAKERS do.
Know your stuff before you debate.


No chance
This really isn't going to happen.

You guys really need to calm down. Go out and get some air. Spend the day in a forest with no cell phone.

Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Yep, just let the cheating happen, after all Progs know what's best for us because we don't.
Cheating?
All 50 governors have certified their election results.
Yes. All states certified the results. I expected that. The question is, should states have their electoral college numbers offset by states that had non law makers change their election laws? And 18 governors and AG's are protecting their state citizens from having their vote offset.
Analogy.....

During a football game, there were 3 calls turned over by instant replay review. The last play of the game, where a player scored the winning touchdown, there was question whether or not his foot stepped on the sideline. It was an SEC team vs. an ACC game. You are an ACC fan. It was an SEC player that scored the apparent touchdown. The head ref decides to amend the rules and claims "we will not review the last play of a game"......would you not question what the hell and be upset about the mid game change of rules??

Now...that is a lousy football game. What about the election of a President of the United States?

They literally do not care

They are psychopaths -
I bet they would care if the tables were turned.
The Hillary supporters got the fuck over it, like adults
Anyone who "get's over" a swindled election is a scumbag.
What do we call those who whine about losing and then pretend that it was a swindled election with no evidence.....(see all those court losses). A sucker? Seditious? A cultist?
we call them Hillary Clinton
You mean the Presidential Candidate that conceded on Election Night, 2016?
yup. She conceded and spent the next three years blaming us deplorables for a stolen election.
But you run with that attitude. It fits you well.

Also she didn't concede until the following morning.

But she still conceded the next morning...which I don't think Trump has done yet.
Obama offered Trump a smooth transition. Trump so far has offered Biden next to squat.
I could care less what Clinton parroted after Trump was inaugurated. That's your hangup. Not mine.

Both of you need to get some new talking points.

LOL. Obama offered the front of a smooth transition and everyone knew that all the civil servants were going to do everything they could to gum the gears, i.e. the resistance.

It's easy to play nice when you know your inside people are going to do your dirty work for you.

What a naïve moron you are.

Which they didn't. So nice try at bullshit.
What happened after the inauguration was Trump's fault.
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No it wasn't. The nonstop war on Trump happened because the fake news media hated him. The theory that Trump did anything to deserve that treatment is beyond absurd.. How do you people walk around in public?
That's
No. Trump made all of his own issues. The media just reports what he does.
Place the blame where the blame lies. At the foot of the former reality TV star who had no business
descending that golden escalator.
Utter horseshit. How do you walk around in public when you lie so egregiously? The Dims in the media and the Dims scum in Congress manuractured all the issues they harangued Trump about.

You invent scandals and then you lie about who created them. Dims are scum. It's hard to be any worse of a human being than a Dim.

That's your narrative..or at least the narrative right wing media constantly spins. Donald Trump is an incompetent boob. He has been for decades. The difference is while he was a private citizen, we could just laugh him off. Even backing into the Presidency and then making his own problems day after day for three years we could get mad at, but laugh off. Because the economy was good and there was nothing going on in the world that required our immediate attention. Then, the first time his Presidency is tested, he coughs up a furball and fails spectacularly. 300K dead and counting. 6.7% unemployment, thousands of businesses shuttered, millions of people out of work, spreading his dysfunction to Republicans in the House and Senate. He then proceeds to lose the election and embark on a temper tantrum to overturn an election..an attempt not seen in our republic's history.

And you idiots want to see another four years of this clown show.
He lost. He's done. Deal with it.

Considering the biggest shutdowns were by Dem governors, how do you blame Trump for the economic issues?

Because leadership and coordination starts at the top. The White House. Specifically, the President's ability to mobilize federal agencies and allocate emergency dollars with the stroke of his pen. But, Trump does nothing. If you don't believe me, just listen to the Woodward tapes. That's the problem with having a former reality TV star who not only has no interest in the job, but also has no idea of how government is supposed to work or how policy is made. His incompetence and inaction in responding to virus for over two months cause the spiral that led to the economic carnage. In the absence of any leadership from Trump or his team, governors, mayors, and business leaders had to step in (and are still having to) and make the tough decisions.

And I'd pay attention to current events.. The red states are the ones with major issues at the moment.

The federal government did plenty, you just ignore it because it helps your narrative.

Europe is having major issues at the moment, did Trump cause that as well?

you are such a fucking lying hack.

Europe has the same issues we have. Large sections of the population that 1) Are burnt out and don't care, 2) Think the virus is a hoax and don't care, 3) Don't care one way or the other....individual liberty at the expense of the common good.
Won't wear a mask, won't socially distance, won't not gather in large groups. I don't care. That's the reason for the virus spike.

But they don't have Trump, and have far more of the authoritarian mindset and government mechanisms to make people comply.

So how is everything here Trump's fault but the same issues are happening worldwide?

Again, it comes down to messaging. But Europe's spikes are nowhere near ours.
Trump took no action, dragged his feet, put forth miracle cures, demeaned the health professionals and scientists....and lost the election.
The electors meet today to certify the election. Republicans can put on whatever show they want on January 6th but Democrats control the House. It's just show.

More spin, zero substance other than "I hate Trump, fuh fuh fuh, stick a pogo stick in my ass"

You have no actual answer, so you deflect like the coward you are.

Then feel free to continue to worship at the altar of Trump. He's got about 37 days left to shit all over the furniture and file silly-assed lawsuits that will be dismissed out of hand. After that, I don't care what he does. In all likelyhood, he'll be dodging legal issues the remainder of his life....Oh Donny??...oh you won't see him no more! :auiqs.jpg:

Why do you equate support with worship? Lefties are the kings of the cult of personality, and add in group worship to boot.

The thing is you won't get rid of us so easily, although fascists like you will surely try.
Trump is a giant failure and counter to what republicans claimed they were for. Fiscally responsible? This goon increased the deficit to a trillion during a strong economy. I won't even get into how bad it is since the pandemic. Pro life? His weak covid response has led us to the most pandemic deaths. A president shouldn't rule through executive order? Trump has had more orders than Obama. Remember when repubs claimed Obama played too much golf? Trump beat him there too. And well the guy cheated on his 3rd wife with a porn star so he's no good Christian either. You clowns are a cult following failure.

As usual you ignore all the things he said he would do or try to do, and what he accomplished. You create this construct of absolute evil, then wonder why we think you cheated to get rid of him.
Yeah he did a few little things I didn't care about! Meanwhile he increased the deficit to a trillion dollars during a strong economy!!!! That's a big deal. Oh and leading us to the most covid deaths a big deal too. How about his tariffs that hurt manufacturing? His tax cuts that didn't bring the promised growth and drastically increased deficits? He has been a huge failure.

The dems controlled the house for 2 of the years, and they control the budget.

So are you saying dems are going to reduce the debt and the deficit?

Please show me how Trump is directly responsible for COVID deaths but Dem governors are not.

the tarriffs were designed for a long term win against China, I guess you want China to win the trade war.

His tax cuts helped me and plenty like me.
Yes and trump policy created the deficit mess. What it dem policy that increased military spending drastically? Was the irresponsible tax cut dem policy? Your excuses are pathetic like turmps.

Obama deficits declined after he fixed the bush disaster. Trump inherited a strong economy and increased deficits. It's clear who has the better record. Clinton balanced the budget and Bush drastically increased deficits....

We have the most covid deaths. Trump left a international pandemic to the states, giant failed policy.

If you think we are winning a trade war you don't understand economics. Trump hurt manufacturing and we kept buying from china. All he did was tax us with tariffs.
NOT.
Yes you clearly don't understand. Our trade deficit is as big as ever and he hurt our manufacturing. Funny what you call winning....
Tarrifs don't hurt manufacturing, moron. They hurt consumers. Places like South Korea and Japan have had stiff tariffs for years.
Fed study: Tariffs have hurt manufacturing employment and increased prices - Axios

Short term pain is expected to get better long term results.

Should we just let China dictate trade policy?
Yeah and trade wars are easy to win. You idiots will believe anything. There is no long term results!!!! Let the market work, government shouldn't be meddling. I love how you pretend conservatives run to big government to fix imaginary problems.

How do you let the market work when the competitors entire economic and political system is designed to fuck with the market?

Do you enjoy sucking Chinese dick or is it a necessary part of your life choices?
I hate to break it to you, but your companies have made a ton on cheap Chinese labor. You think it is bad they send us all their resources for next to nothing? Do you negotiate up in price when you buy something?
 

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