The Temple Mount Myth Revealed

[Shusha]

I agree, the bible is not historical, but that doesn't not stop them from creating history from the bible, which they are doing.

The "bible" is not historical. (From the Jewish faith perspective, the Tanakh is not intended to be historical.) That said, there is evidence that at least some of the characters, places and events are historically true and clearly connected to the Jewish people.

Trying to disconnect the Jewish people from that history is not sourced in objective "truths", but a subjective, biased, largely intentional discrimination against the Jewish people.

 

[Penelope]

I agree, the bible is not historical, but that doesn't not stop them from creating history from the bible, which they are doing.

The "bible" is not historical. (From the Jewish faith perspective, the Tanakh is not intended to be historical.) That said, there is evidence that at least some of the characters, places and events are historically true and clearly connected to the Jewish people.

Trying to disconnect the Jewish people from that history is not sourced in objective "truths", but a subjective, biased, largely intentional discrimination against the Jewish people.

Pove it, any one it. When one talks about jewish, please let us know who your talking about.

 

[Hossfly]

I agree, the bible is not historical, but that doesn't not stop them from creating history from the bible, which they are doing.

The "bible" is not historical. (From the Jewish faith perspective, the Tanakh is not intended to be historical.) That said, there is evidence that at least some of the characters, places and events are historically true and clearly connected to the Jewish people.

Trying to disconnect the Jewish people from that history is not sourced in objective "truths", but a subjective, biased, largely intentional discrimination against the Jewish people.

Pove it, any one it. When one talks about jewish, please let us know who your talking about.

Talking about Jews in Israel and Jews outside of Israel. In other words, everyone in the world who call themselves Jewish. Period.

 

[Shusha]

Prove what? I've already provided evidence of some historical truths. That evidence is ignored by you. You don't want to see it. And providing evidence is not going to get you past your blind spot.

When I talk about the Jewish people, I mean the collective of people which has preserved through thousands of years of history the culture which makes one uniquely Jewish: the language, the laws, the holidays, the life event celebrations, the world-view, the modes of dress, the foods and yes, the religion. This collective of people has lived both within the historical territory of their ancestors and in the Diaspora.

 

[Shusha]

The very fact that one has to defend the idea of the Jewish people is discrimination. Does anyone ask what we mean when we say "Irish"? Does anyone demand that the Irish defend what makes them Irish?

 

[Phoenall]

The very fact that one has to defend the idea of the Jewish people is discrimination. Does anyone ask what we mean when we say "Irish"? Does anyone demand that the Irish defend what makes them Irish?

Maybe we should start demanding what makes the arab muslims calling themselves palestinians actually palestinians and not Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqi's and Saudi's.

Ask what is their claim to ownership of the land and who granted them this ownership, then ignore the answers and ask the same thing in the next post.

 

[Penelope]

The very fact that one has to defend the idea of the Jewish people is discrimination. Does anyone ask what we mean when we say "Irish"? Does anyone demand that the Irish defend what makes them Irish?

Once again, jew is not a race. Now an Irishman is someone who was born in Ireland, its his nationality. Jewish is not a nationality but use to be anyone who was from Judea, point is there is no Judea today, so once again , a jew is not a race or a nationality.

 

[HaShev]

The Irony of the OP is that Israel Finkelstein seems to be a made up name if I ever heard of one, and the story seems to be fabricated using such a mockery type name. Seems he doesn't even exist.
Now with that opinion based on never knowing of the man is liken to said claimed man's ignorance of why YeruShalem (the city he makes light of) is the world's focus through history. It won't make sense to the Finklesteens of thus world until the MIKDASH is built in the NAME of the head of hosts in the city in "the name".
Then is when the legend of how the city becomes the city of Shalom will make sense as will the "coming back" to one's inheritance.

 

[Hossfly]

The very fact that one has to defend the idea of the Jewish people is discrimination. Does anyone ask what we mean when we say "Irish"? Does anyone demand that the Irish defend what makes them Irish?

Once again, jew is not a race. Now an Irishman is someone who was born in Ireland, its his nationality. Jewish is not a nationality but use to be anyone who was from Judea, point is there is no Judea today, so once again , a jew is not a race or a nationality.

You are talking utter nonsense, Gertrude. You're talking points are nothing but Stormfront and KKK bull crap. You haven't learned a thing in your life that isn't a lie.

 

[Freeman]

"Now, 50 years after Kenyon's discovery, scholars like Leen Ritmeyer, Eilat Mazar and Hershel Shanks have recently written books as if no one knew that the Haram was the Roman Fortress and that Solomon's, Zechariah's and Herod's temples all were located near the Spring of Siloam. Tourists are still mistakenly told that the Haram is the Temple Mount, that David's citadel is near the Jaffa Gate, and that Mount Zion and the place where the Last Supper was held are all in the Upper City."

Citadel Of David built by Mamlouki then Othomans.

 

[Freeman]

"The discovery that this area had once been the great Roman fortress came as a shock to the scholarly community, which had believed for many years that this ancient fortress was the place where the temple had been. This news was preceded by another shock, when the English archaeologist Kathleen Kenyon discovered in 1962 that the entire City of David in the past had been only that little rock ridge on the western bank of the Kidron Valley. Less than 10 years later the historian Benjamin Mazar learned that the Haram had undoubtedly been the Roman fortress."

 

[RoccoR]

Shusha, et al,

Your stated objective (to delegitimize the Jewish people) is to align the facts to support a preconceived notion (truth immaterial). It is not about evaluating the evidence to logically come to the truth.

What it is NOT is an “Objective Judgment or Belief” based on objectively strong supporting evidence, the sort of evidence that would be compelling for any rational system.

I think we've strayed-off and lost the intent behind the "The Temple Mount Myth-revealed" OP.

And we have strayed from the intent of the OP -- which is to delegitimize the Jewish people.

(COMMENT)

In this case, the notion of "delegitimize the Jewish People" is missing the relationship. What particular claim or fact are you trying to delegitimize?

What is the OP working towards?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

Once again, jew is not a race.Now an Irishman is someone who was born in Ireland, its his nationality. Jewish is not a nationality but use to be anyone who was from Judea, point is there is no Judea today, so once again , a jew is not a race or a nationality.

Okay, so some questions concerning your point of view:

My grandparents came from Ireland. But I wasn't born in Ireland. Am I Irish?

If I don't hold or seek Irish citizenship (nationality) would I be lying if I said I was Irish?

I was born in the US. I am an American national. My father is Canadian. Am I Canadian? Could I become Canadian? Why or why not?

I was born in Yugoslavia. How could I tell if I should become Serbian, Bosnian, Slovenian, Macedonian or Croatian?

I was born in Korea when it was under the rule of the Japanese. Am I Korean? Or Japanese?

I was born in the Ramallah. Palestinian isn't a nation or a nationality. Am I Palestinian?

I was born in Hebron. Am I Israeli or Palestinian?

I was born in a refugee camp in Syria. Am I Syrian? Or Palestinian?








And, largely irrelevant, but I'm curious -- is "Irish" a race? Why or why not?

 

[Shusha]

Shusha, et al,

Your stated objective (to delegitimize the Jewish people) is to align the facts to support a preconceived notion (truth immaterial). It is not about evaluating the evidence to logically come to the truth.

What it is NOT is an “Objective Judgment or Belief” based on objectively strong supporting evidence, the sort of evidence that would be compelling for any rational system.

I think we've strayed-off and lost the intent behind the "The Temple Mount Myth-revealed" OP.

And we have strayed from the intent of the OP -- which is to delegitimize the Jewish people.

(COMMENT)

In this case, the notion of "delegitimize the Jewish People" is missing the relationship. What particular claim or fact are you trying to delegitimize?

What is the OP working towards?

Most Respectfully,
R

I am certainly not trying to delegitimize the Jewish people. The OP is.

The intent of the OP is to remove or erase any Jewish claim to the Temple Mount.

 

[Shusha]

"The discovery that this area had once been the great Roman fortress came as a shock to the scholarly community, which had believed for many years that this ancient fortress was the place where the temple had been...

Ah. So the "farthest mosque" was a Roman fortress. And the Muslims built a structure to commemorate the holiness of Roman military conquest. Roger that, Freeman.

 

[Freeman]

"The discovery that this area had once been the great Roman fortress came as a shock to the scholarly community, which had believed for many years that this ancient fortress was the place where the temple had been...

Ah. So the "farthest mosque" was a Roman fortress. And the Muslims built a structure to commemorate the holiness of Roman military conquest. Roger that, Freeman.

I said that when muslims enter Jerusalem it was a little village mount with empty area near the mosque.

 

[Freeman]

Shusha, et al,

Your stated objective (to delegitimize the Jewish people) is to align the facts to support a preconceived notion (truth immaterial). It is not about evaluating the evidence to logically come to the truth.

What it is NOT is an “Objective Judgment or Belief” based on objectively strong supporting evidence, the sort of evidence that would be compelling for any rational system.

I think we've strayed-off and lost the intent behind the "The Temple Mount Myth-revealed" OP.

And we have strayed from the intent of the OP -- which is to delegitimize the Jewish people.

(COMMENT)

In this case, the notion of "delegitimize the Jewish People" is missing the relationship. What particular claim or fact are you trying to delegitimize?

What is the OP working towards?

Most Respectfully,
R

I am certainly not trying to delegitimize the Jewish people. The OP is.

The intent of the OP is to remove or erase any Jewish claim to the Temple Mount.

There is no scientific evidence about the place of the Temple Mount.
Even well known archaeologist Kathleen Kenyon stated it.

 

[Freeman]

Shusha, et al,

Your stated objective (to delegitimize the Jewish people) is to align the facts to support a preconceived notion (truth immaterial). It is not about evaluating the evidence to logically come to the truth.

What it is NOT is an “Objective Judgment or Belief” based on objectively strong supporting evidence, the sort of evidence that would be compelling for any rational system.

I think we've strayed-off and lost the intent behind the "The Temple Mount Myth-revealed" OP.

And we have strayed from the intent of the OP -- which is to delegitimize the Jewish people.

(COMMENT)

In this case, the notion of "delegitimize the Jewish People" is missing the relationship. What particular claim or fact are you trying to delegitimize?

What is the OP working towards?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israelites lived just about two centuries in Jerusalem, who lived there before that date?

 

[RoccoR]

Shusha, et al,

I'm not sure that historically, the connection between the Hebrews (Jews) claim to anything in Jerusalem and the Arab Palestinian claim to anything in Jerusalem can be based on much historical record.

This is an issue of sovereignty.

I am certainly not trying to delegitimize the Jewish people. The OP is.

The intent of the OP is to remove or erase any Jewish claim to the Temple Mount.

(COMMENT)

In the 3000 years of past history of the Middle East, damn near every major Empire in the Region (Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Egyptians, Ottoman and Romans --- just to name a few) had sovereign control over the territory.

Sargon II ruthlessly conquering Israel, Judah, and the Greek provinces in Anatolia at least a half millennium BCE.

But none of that is even worth discussing because it makes no difference. There will be several questions, the first of which will be, the validity nature of the Jewish People using Self-Determination. After that, it will become clear which people owe the preponderance of war reparations.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hossfly]

Shusha, et al,

Your stated objective (to delegitimize the Jewish people) is to align the facts to support a preconceived notion (truth immaterial). It is not about evaluating the evidence to logically come to the truth.

What it is NOT is an “Objective Judgment or Belief” based on objectively strong supporting evidence, the sort of evidence that would be compelling for any rational system.

I think we've strayed-off and lost the intent behind the "The Temple Mount Myth-revealed" OP.

And we have strayed from the intent of the OP -- which is to delegitimize the Jewish people.

(COMMENT)

In this case, the notion of "delegitimize the Jewish People" is missing the relationship. What particular claim or fact are you trying to delegitimize?

What is the OP working towards?

Most Respectfully,
R

Israelites lived just about two centuries in Jerusalem, who lived there before that date?

Why don't you tell us who lived in Iraq before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Egypt before the Muslims invaded, who lived in Iran before the Muslims invaded, etc. etc. And the big question is who lived on the Saudi Peninsula before the Arabs got there? Did the Arabs just pop out of thin air? Try as you might to take away the Jews' connection to Jerusalem, you are just another Muslim who can't stand to see the Jews have any piece of land. Muslims like you want to see the entire Middle East as one big Muslim entity regardless of the history of other people. Imagine if your brethren weren't eventually stopped in Europe, you would be claiming that the European continent is Muslim land.