Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic

[abu afak]

This has been a 20 year worry of Israel/Israel supporters, and an ostensible demographic Trump card for 'palestinians.' Between Higher fertility and record immigration from Europe, this trend has ended.


Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic
The jump has calmed the fears of many Israeli Jews of being outnumbered, writes
Wall Street Journal - July 14, 2016
By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV
Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic

JERUSALEM—Israel’s peace camp and its international backers have long used one crude but powerful argument: Arabs make more babies than Jews and unless a separate Palestinian state is created, a demographic time bomb will turn Jews into a dwindling minority akin to white South Africans.

That prospect certainly seemed real when the Oslo peace process began in the 1990s. Fertility among Israeli Jews stood at an average of 2.6 children per woman, compared with 4.7 among Muslims in Israel and East Jerusalem and 6.0 among Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Yasser Arafat at the time famously declared that the womb of the Palestinian woman was his people’s most potent weapon.

Yet over the past decade, a demographic revolution with long-lasting political consequences has occurred. Jewish birthrates in Israel have spiked while Arab birthrates in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Middle East have declined. This unlikely baby boom has made many Israeli Jews a lot less afraid of being outnumbered—one of the underappreciated reasons why the country’s voters have consistently rewarded politicians opposed to Palestinian statehood and to relinquishing land.

“When you are motivated by fear, you seek to preserve demography by giving away geography,” explained Yoram Ettinger, a former Israeli ambassador and right-wing activist who has been active in publicizing the impact of Israel’s rising birthrate. “But if you examine Israel’s demographics realistically, there is no need to think in such terms.”

The Jewish fertility rate in Israel was 3.11 per woman in 2014, the last full year for which data is available, while among the Arab citizens of Israel and East Jerusalem residents it was only a notch higher at 3.17, according to Israel’s statistics bureau. Palestinian fertility rates have fallen to 3.7 in the West Bank from 5.6 in 1997, and to 4.5 from 6.9 children in the Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian statistics bureau.

“There will be no demographic time bomb,” Israel’s defense minister and right-wing politician Avigdor Lieberman said in an interview before his recent appointment. “Birthrates in the Arab and Jewish sectors will continue converging, while we also hope that a considerable part of Jews from Western Europe, and also from North America, will come here.” Jewish immigration last year, from countries such as France and Ukraine, was at the highest level since 2003.
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[The Great Goose]

Third wave feminism is coming to an end.

 

[DGS49]

There will be no "Palestinian" state in the lifetime of anyone reading this. Israel is backed by the full weight and power of the United States, and is doing things on the ground every day to make a Palestinian state more difficult to realize. A more realistic long-term goal is a secular state with religious freedom and tolerance, encompassing the whole territory. It would not be a "Jewish" state, but would have absolute religious freedom for all. And it will be the work of an American president.

 

[Roudy]

This has been a 20 year worry of Israel/Israel supporters, and an ostensible demographic Trump card for 'palestinians.' Between Higher fertility and record immigration from Europe, this trend has ended.


Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic
The jump has calmed the fears of many Israeli Jews of being outnumbered, writes
Wall Street Journal - July 14, 2016
By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV
Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic

JERUSALEM—Israel’s peace camp and its international backers have long used one crude but powerful argument: Arabs make more babies than Jews and unless a separate Palestinian state is created, a demographic time bomb will turn Jews into a dwindling minority akin to white South Africans.

That prospect certainly seemed real when the Oslo peace process began in the 1990s. Fertility among Israeli Jews stood at an average of 2.6 children per woman, compared with 4.7 among Muslims in Israel and East Jerusalem and 6.0 among Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Yasser Arafat at the time famously declared that the womb of the Palestinian woman was his people’s most potent weapon.

Yet over the past decade, a demographic revolution with long-lasting political consequences has occurred. Jewish birthrates in Israel have spiked while Arab birthrates in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Middle East have declined. This unlikely baby boom has made many Israeli Jews a lot less afraid of being outnumbered—one of the underappreciated reasons why the country’s voters have consistently rewarded politicians opposed to Palestinian statehood and to relinquishing land.

“When you are motivated by fear, you seek to preserve demography by giving away geography,” explained Yoram Ettinger, a former Israeli ambassador and right-wing activist who has been active in publicizing the impact of Israel’s rising birthrate. “But if you examine Israel’s demographics realistically, there is no need to think in such terms.”

The Jewish fertility rate in Israel was 3.11 per woman in 2014, the last full year for which data is available, while among the Arab citizens of Israel and East Jerusalem residents it was only a notch higher at 3.17, according to Israel’s statistics bureau. Palestinian fertility rates have fallen to 3.7 in the West Bank from 5.6 in 1997, and to 4.5 from 6.9 children in the Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian statistics bureau.

“There will be no demographic time bomb,” Israel’s defense minister and right-wing politician Avigdor Lieberman said in an interview before his recent appointment. “Birthrates in the Arab and Jewish sectors will continue converging, while we also hope that a considerable part of Jews from Western Europe, and also from North America, will come here.” Jewish immigration last year, from countries such as France and Ukraine, was at the highest level since 2003.
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Like I said, in one to two generations, Israel will annex most of the West Bank, and Egypt will annex Gaza.

 

[Shusha]

Like I said, in one to two generations, Israel will annex most of the West Bank, and Egypt will annex Gaza.

Its certainly looking like its heading that direction.

 

[Shusha]

A more realistic long-term goal is a secular state with religious freedom and tolerance, encompassing the whole territory. It would not be a "Jewish" state, but would have absolute religious freedom for all.

People really need to get over this "It can't be a Jewish State" idea. It is a State which is the national homeland of the Jewish people. Just like Jordan is the State which is the national homeland for the Jordanian people. And Syria is the one which is the national homeland for the Syrian people. And Egypt is the home of the Egyptian people. And Palestinians want a homeland for the Palestinian people. This is not rocket science.

This lack of acceptance that the Jewish people have the same rights as others to a national homeland is the root cause of the conflict.

And Israel DOES HAVE religious freedom for all, with one exception. The Jewish people themselves have actually restricted their OWN religious freedom in order to placate another faith which does not believe in the rights of all people to religious freedom and have temper tantrums in holy places involving lethal weapons.

The sooner the Palestinians catch up with the modern and humanitarian idea that all people have the same rights -- the better. You can help that along by insisting that the Jewish people's rights are honored.

 

[RoccoR]

Roudy, et al,

I'm not sure that the third and fourth waves of feminism are actually real, although clearly, the women of the Pacific Rim, Canada and the US, have shown some of the indicators that mark the turn-over. But the early development of such prominent personalities as Coco Chanel (1883-1971) brought a new wave of development for women in all walks of life. Women like Coco Chanel and Louise Brooks (and there were many in the 1920s) launch the type of feminine leadership among young Western women who wore short skirts, bobbed their hair, listened to jazz, and flaunted their new brazen behavior that forever change the culture of Western women.

This has been a 20 year worry of Israel/Israel supporters, and an ostensible demographic Trump card for 'palestinians.' Between Higher fertility and record immigration from Europe, this trend has ended.

Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic
The jump has calmed the fears of many Israeli Jews of being outnumbered, writes
Wall Street Journal - July 14, 2016
By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV
Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic

JERUSALEM—Israel’s peace camp and its international backers have long used one crude but powerful argument: Arabs make more babies than Jews and unless a separate Palestinian state is created, a demographic time bomb will turn Jews into a dwindling minority akin to white South Africans.

That prospect certainly seemed real when the Oslo peace process began in the 1990s. Fertility among Israeli Jews stood at an average of 2.6 children per woman, compared with 4.7 among Muslims in Israel and East Jerusalem and 6.0 among Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Yasser Arafat at the time famously declared that the womb of the Palestinian woman was his people’s most potent weapon.

Yet over the past decade, a demographic revolution with long-lasting political consequences has occurred. Jewish birthrates in Israel have spiked while Arab birthrates in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Middle East have declined. This unlikely baby boom has made many Israeli Jews a lot less afraid of being outnumbered—one of the underappreciated reasons why the country’s voters have consistently rewarded politicians opposed to Palestinian statehood and to relinquishing land.

“When you are motivated by fear, you seek to preserve demography by giving away geography,” explained Yoram Ettinger, a former Israeli ambassador and right-wing activist who has been active in publicizing the impact of Israel’s rising birthrate. “But if you examine Israel’s demographics realistically, there is no need to think in such terms.”

The Jewish fertility rate in Israel was 3.11 per woman in 2014, the last full year for which data is available, while among the Arab citizens of Israel and East Jerusalem residents it was only a notch higher at 3.17, according to Israel’s statistics bureau. Palestinian fertility rates have fallen to 3.7 in the West Bank from 5.6 in 1997, and to 4.5 from 6.9 children in the Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian statistics bureau.

“There will be no demographic time bomb,” Israel’s defense minister and right-wing politician Avigdor Lieberman said in an interview before his recent appointment. “Birthrates in the Arab and Jewish sectors will continue converging, while we also hope that a considerable part of Jews from Western Europe, and also from North America, will come here.” Jewish immigration last year, from countries such as France and Ukraine, was at the highest level since 2003.​

​

Like I said, in one to two generations, Israel will annex most of the West Bank, and Egypt will annex Gaza.

(COMMENT)

But I don't agree that we have seen much in the fourth generation of women (feminism) that really wasn't pioneered by the like of Coco Chanel, Louise Brooks, Greta Garbo, and Ingrid Bergman (to name a few).

As far as the as the future of Israel in regards to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, Israel really doesn't want to take-on any more none productive burdens then it already has. Israel doesn't want to annex these areas any more than it wants to be responsible for the financial support of the Arab Palestinians. The Israel interest is purely a matter of self-defense; the establishment of defensible boundaries.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[The Great Goose]

Roudy, et al,

I'm not sure that the third and fourth waves of feminism are actually real, although clearly, the women of the Pacific Rim, Canada and the US, have shown some of the indicators that mark the turn-over. But the early development of such prominent personalities as Coco Chanel (1883-1971) brought a new wave of development for women in all walks of life. Women like Coco Chanel and Louise Brooks (and there were many in the 1920s) launch the type of feminine leadership among young Western women who wore short skirts, bobbed their hair, listened to jazz, and flaunted their new brazen behavior that forever change the culture of Western women.

This has been a 20 year worry of Israel/Israel supporters, and an ostensible demographic Trump card for 'palestinians.' Between Higher fertility and record immigration from Europe, this trend has ended.

Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic
The jump has calmed the fears of many Israeli Jews of being outnumbered, writes
Wall Street Journal - July 14, 2016
By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV
Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic

JERUSALEM—Israel’s peace camp and its international backers have long used one crude but powerful argument: Arabs make more babies than Jews and unless a separate Palestinian state is created, a demographic time bomb will turn Jews into a dwindling minority akin to white South Africans.

That prospect certainly seemed real when the Oslo peace process began in the 1990s. Fertility among Israeli Jews stood at an average of 2.6 children per woman, compared with 4.7 among Muslims in Israel and East Jerusalem and 6.0 among Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Yasser Arafat at the time famously declared that the womb of the Palestinian woman was his people’s most potent weapon.

Yet over the past decade, a demographic revolution with long-lasting political consequences has occurred. Jewish birthrates in Israel have spiked while Arab birthrates in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Middle East have declined. This unlikely baby boom has made many Israeli Jews a lot less afraid of being outnumbered—one of the underappreciated reasons why the country’s voters have consistently rewarded politicians opposed to Palestinian statehood and to relinquishing land.

“When you are motivated by fear, you seek to preserve demography by giving away geography,” explained Yoram Ettinger, a former Israeli ambassador and right-wing activist who has been active in publicizing the impact of Israel’s rising birthrate. “But if you examine Israel’s demographics realistically, there is no need to think in such terms.”

The Jewish fertility rate in Israel was 3.11 per woman in 2014, the last full year for which data is available, while among the Arab citizens of Israel and East Jerusalem residents it was only a notch higher at 3.17, according to Israel’s statistics bureau. Palestinian fertility rates have fallen to 3.7 in the West Bank from 5.6 in 1997, and to 4.5 from 6.9 children in the Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian statistics bureau.

“There will be no demographic time bomb,” Israel’s defense minister and right-wing politician Avigdor Lieberman said in an interview before his recent appointment. “Birthrates in the Arab and Jewish sectors will continue converging, while we also hope that a considerable part of Jews from Western Europe, and also from North America, will come here.” Jewish immigration last year, from countries such as France and Ukraine, was at the highest level since 2003.​

​

Like I said, in one to two generations, Israel will annex most of the West Bank, and Egypt will annex Gaza.

(COMMENT)

But I don't agree that we have seen much in the fourth generation of women (feminism) that really wasn't pioneered by the like of Coco Chanel, Louise Brooks, Greta Garbo, and Ingrid Bergman (to name a few).

As far as the as the future of Israel in regards to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, Israel really doesn't want to take-on any more none productive burdens then it already has. Israel doesn't want to annex these areas any more than it wants to be responsible for the financial support of the Arab Palestinians. The Israel interest is purely a matter of self-defense; the establishment of defensible boundaries.

Most Respectfully,
R

i'm just going to be happy to see Trigglypuff NOT elevated beyond her natural station.

 

[Daniyel]

Roudy, et al,

I'm not sure that the third and fourth waves of feminism are actually real, although clearly, the women of the Pacific Rim, Canada and the US, have shown some of the indicators that mark the turn-over. But the early development of such prominent personalities as Coco Chanel (1883-1971) brought a new wave of development for women in all walks of life. Women like Coco Chanel and Louise Brooks (and there were many in the 1920s) launch the type of feminine leadership among young Western women who wore short skirts, bobbed their hair, listened to jazz, and flaunted their new brazen behavior that forever change the culture of Western women.

This has been a 20 year worry of Israel/Israel supporters, and an ostensible demographic Trump card for 'palestinians.' Between Higher fertility and record immigration from Europe, this trend has ended.

Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic
The jump has calmed the fears of many Israeli Jews of being outnumbered, writes
Wall Street Journal - July 14, 2016
By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV
Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic

JERUSALEM—Israel’s peace camp and its international backers have long used one crude but powerful argument: Arabs make more babies than Jews and unless a separate Palestinian state is created, a demographic time bomb will turn Jews into a dwindling minority akin to white South Africans.

That prospect certainly seemed real when the Oslo peace process began in the 1990s. Fertility among Israeli Jews stood at an average of 2.6 children per woman, compared with 4.7 among Muslims in Israel and East Jerusalem and 6.0 among Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Yasser Arafat at the time famously declared that the womb of the Palestinian woman was his people’s most potent weapon.

Yet over the past decade, a demographic revolution with long-lasting political consequences has occurred. Jewish birthrates in Israel have spiked while Arab birthrates in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Middle East have declined. This unlikely baby boom has made many Israeli Jews a lot less afraid of being outnumbered—one of the underappreciated reasons why the country’s voters have consistently rewarded politicians opposed to Palestinian statehood and to relinquishing land.

“When you are motivated by fear, you seek to preserve demography by giving away geography,” explained Yoram Ettinger, a former Israeli ambassador and right-wing activist who has been active in publicizing the impact of Israel’s rising birthrate. “But if you examine Israel’s demographics realistically, there is no need to think in such terms.”

The Jewish fertility rate in Israel was 3.11 per woman in 2014, the last full year for which data is available, while among the Arab citizens of Israel and East Jerusalem residents it was only a notch higher at 3.17, according to Israel’s statistics bureau. Palestinian fertility rates have fallen to 3.7 in the West Bank from 5.6 in 1997, and to 4.5 from 6.9 children in the Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian statistics bureau.

“There will be no demographic time bomb,” Israel’s defense minister and right-wing politician Avigdor Lieberman said in an interview before his recent appointment. “Birthrates in the Arab and Jewish sectors will continue converging, while we also hope that a considerable part of Jews from Western Europe, and also from North America, will come here.” Jewish immigration last year, from countries such as France and Ukraine, was at the highest level since 2003.​

​

Like I said, in one to two generations, Israel will annex most of the West Bank, and Egypt will annex Gaza.

(COMMENT)

But I don't agree that we have seen much in the fourth generation of women (feminism) that really wasn't pioneered by the like of Coco Chanel, Louise Brooks, Greta Garbo, and Ingrid Bergman (to name a few).

As far as the as the future of Israel in regards to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, Israel really doesn't want to take-on any more none productive burdens then it already has. Israel doesn't want to annex these areas any more than it wants to be responsible for the financial support of the Arab Palestinians. The Israel interest is purely a matter of self-defense; the establishment of defensible boundaries.

Most Respectfully,
R

Dear Rocco,
I Believe you just answered your own question;

Israel is pretty much the only financing economic entity for the Palestinians once you take the NGO and donors out of the equation, which would certainly become full-time employees in the Israeli economy.

That by itself seems to be a burdensome situation only because we consider the Palestinians at their current state. (meh)

However, I belive this would be a fear that never hits reality since the Palestinians (including the inspired for pro-feminism Palestinian women) would adept the Israeli economy along the way, here's a short list of mutual economic benefits assuming it happens tomorrow morning:

For Israel:

1.Massive deductible defense budget.
2.Highly motivated employees (3.6 milions! Thats-)
3.40% increase of demand by taking into consideration that every average Palestinian consume equally to the average Israeli consumer.
4.Open trade with the Arab world and regional markets.
5.Whole world of technical solutions and problems gap for start up entrepreneurs.
6.Breaking the land 'crisis' (for those allergic to the south)

For the Palestinians:

1.Hundreds of career opportunities for each and every Palestinian.
2.Access to Israeli welfare and benefits (which are damn good)
3.Great education opportunities for the youth.
4.Technological and technical benefits for every Palestinian (Credit, retirement and insurance options, networks such as high speed Internet services, 4G, transportation, public infrastructure and a lot more!)
5.Last but the most important reason (IMHO) is a reason to live, in dignity.

The numbers are just a wild evaluation that I'm taking myself the freedom to suggest since mending the conflict wounds will be so refreshingly rewarding for both of us, that economically speaking- it doesn't even matter much anyway, but for the sake of the conversation-

Conclusion: Israel will experience a very solid increase in its economical state, the Palestinians will finally be able to phrase "Economy" and "Palestinians" in the same sentence, and we all would be benefitted beyond our wildest dreams and this is only financially speaking.

Unfortunately idiocracy didn't skip our tiny little boat and we are busy competing over who can drink more salty sea water, to drown us all.

 

[Roudy]

Roudy, et al,

I'm not sure that the third and fourth waves of feminism are actually real, although clearly, the women of the Pacific Rim, Canada and the US, have shown some of the indicators that mark the turn-over. But the early development of such prominent personalities as Coco Chanel (1883-1971) brought a new wave of development for women in all walks of life. Women like Coco Chanel and Louise Brooks (and there were many in the 1920s) launch the type of feminine leadership among young Western women who wore short skirts, bobbed their hair, listened to jazz, and flaunted their new brazen behavior that forever change the culture of Western women.

This has been a 20 year worry of Israel/Israel supporters, and an ostensible demographic Trump card for 'palestinians.' Between Higher fertility and record immigration from Europe, this trend has ended.

Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic
The jump has calmed the fears of many Israeli Jews of being outnumbered, writes
Wall Street Journal - July 14, 2016
By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV
Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic

JERUSALEM—Israel’s peace camp and its international backers have long used one crude but powerful argument: Arabs make more babies than Jews and unless a separate Palestinian state is created, a demographic time bomb will turn Jews into a dwindling minority akin to white South Africans.

That prospect certainly seemed real when the Oslo peace process began in the 1990s. Fertility among Israeli Jews stood at an average of 2.6 children per woman, compared with 4.7 among Muslims in Israel and East Jerusalem and 6.0 among Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Yasser Arafat at the time famously declared that the womb of the Palestinian woman was his people’s most potent weapon.

Yet over the past decade, a demographic revolution with long-lasting political consequences has occurred. Jewish birthrates in Israel have spiked while Arab birthrates in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Middle East have declined. This unlikely baby boom has made many Israeli Jews a lot less afraid of being outnumbered—one of the underappreciated reasons why the country’s voters have consistently rewarded politicians opposed to Palestinian statehood and to relinquishing land.

“When you are motivated by fear, you seek to preserve demography by giving away geography,” explained Yoram Ettinger, a former Israeli ambassador and right-wing activist who has been active in publicizing the impact of Israel’s rising birthrate. “But if you examine Israel’s demographics realistically, there is no need to think in such terms.”

The Jewish fertility rate in Israel was 3.11 per woman in 2014, the last full year for which data is available, while among the Arab citizens of Israel and East Jerusalem residents it was only a notch higher at 3.17, according to Israel’s statistics bureau. Palestinian fertility rates have fallen to 3.7 in the West Bank from 5.6 in 1997, and to 4.5 from 6.9 children in the Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian statistics bureau.

“There will be no demographic time bomb,” Israel’s defense minister and right-wing politician Avigdor Lieberman said in an interview before his recent appointment. “Birthrates in the Arab and Jewish sectors will continue converging, while we also hope that a considerable part of Jews from Western Europe, and also from North America, will come here.” Jewish immigration last year, from countries such as France and Ukraine, was at the highest level since 2003.​

​

Like I said, in one to two generations, Israel will annex most of the West Bank, and Egypt will annex Gaza.

(COMMENT)

But I don't agree that we have seen much in the fourth generation of women (feminism) that really wasn't pioneered by the like of Coco Chanel, Louise Brooks, Greta Garbo, and Ingrid Bergman (to name a few).

As far as the as the future of Israel in regards to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, Israel really doesn't want to take-on any more none productive burdens then it already has. Israel doesn't want to annex these areas any more than it wants to be responsible for the financial support of the Arab Palestinians. The Israel interest is purely a matter of self-defense; the establishment of defensible boundaries.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are correct. That's why Israel left Gaza in the first place. However, when you have a hostile population that cannot coexist and / or accept a Jewish state under any circumstances, then there is no other option but to populate the conquered territory and annex what is necessary.

Jordan will have to pitch in and repatriate the Arab refugees it created as a result of the 1967 all out attack on Israel. And Peace Treaty or no peace treaty, there cannot be a feasible solution without Jordan's cooperation in the West Bank, and Egypt's cooperation in Gaza. Egypt can and should annex Gaza, and Jordan will annex whatever portion of the West Bank Israel leaves for the Palestinians to reside in.

It really comes down to population demographics, who rules the land, and a workable solution that can be implemented. One thing that has been proven, Palestinians cannot rule the land and coexist with the Israelis at the same time.

 

[Boston1]

There will be no "Palestinian" state in the lifetime of anyone reading this. Israel is backed by the full weight and power of the United States, and is doing things on the ground every day to make a Palestinian state more difficult to realize. A more realistic long-term goal is a secular state with religious freedom and tolerance, encompassing the whole territory. It would not be a "Jewish" state, but would have absolute religious freedom for all. And it will be the work of an American president.

There will never be a third itinerant Arab Muslim state within the mandate area..........

The THREE state solution is enough. Jordan Gaza and Israel.

The only thing that really needs to happen is for Israel to vet each itinerant Arab Muslim within its sphere of influence for eligibility to remain in Israel and throw the rest of the bums out. A process well described within the Geneva Conventions

 

[Boston1]

Roudy, et al,

I'm not sure that the third and fourth waves of feminism are actually real, although clearly, the women of the Pacific Rim, Canada and the US, have shown some of the indicators that mark the turn-over. But the early development of such prominent personalities as Coco Chanel (1883-1971) brought a new wave of development for women in all walks of life. Women like Coco Chanel and Louise Brooks (and there were many in the 1920s) launch the type of feminine leadership among young Western women who wore short skirts, bobbed their hair, listened to jazz, and flaunted their new brazen behavior that forever change the culture of Western women.

This has been a 20 year worry of Israel/Israel supporters, and an ostensible demographic Trump card for 'palestinians.' Between Higher fertility and record immigration from Europe, this trend has ended.

Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic
The jump has calmed the fears of many Israeli Jews of being outnumbered, writes
Wall Street Journal - July 14, 2016
By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV
Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic

JERUSALEM—Israel’s peace camp and its international backers have long used one crude but powerful argument: Arabs make more babies than Jews and unless a separate Palestinian state is created, a demographic time bomb will turn Jews into a dwindling minority akin to white South Africans.

That prospect certainly seemed real when the Oslo peace process began in the 1990s. Fertility among Israeli Jews stood at an average of 2.6 children per woman, compared with 4.7 among Muslims in Israel and East Jerusalem and 6.0 among Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Yasser Arafat at the time famously declared that the womb of the Palestinian woman was his people’s most potent weapon.

Yet over the past decade, a demographic revolution with long-lasting political consequences has occurred. Jewish birthrates in Israel have spiked while Arab birthrates in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Middle East have declined. This unlikely baby boom has made many Israeli Jews a lot less afraid of being outnumbered—one of the underappreciated reasons why the country’s voters have consistently rewarded politicians opposed to Palestinian statehood and to relinquishing land.

“When you are motivated by fear, you seek to preserve demography by giving away geography,” explained Yoram Ettinger, a former Israeli ambassador and right-wing activist who has been active in publicizing the impact of Israel’s rising birthrate. “But if you examine Israel’s demographics realistically, there is no need to think in such terms.”

The Jewish fertility rate in Israel was 3.11 per woman in 2014, the last full year for which data is available, while among the Arab citizens of Israel and East Jerusalem residents it was only a notch higher at 3.17, according to Israel’s statistics bureau. Palestinian fertility rates have fallen to 3.7 in the West Bank from 5.6 in 1997, and to 4.5 from 6.9 children in the Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian statistics bureau.

“There will be no demographic time bomb,” Israel’s defense minister and right-wing politician Avigdor Lieberman said in an interview before his recent appointment. “Birthrates in the Arab and Jewish sectors will continue converging, while we also hope that a considerable part of Jews from Western Europe, and also from North America, will come here.” Jewish immigration last year, from countries such as France and Ukraine, was at the highest level since 2003.​

​

Like I said, in one to two generations, Israel will annex most of the West Bank, and Egypt will annex Gaza.

(COMMENT)

But I don't agree that we have seen much in the fourth generation of women (feminism) that really wasn't pioneered by the like of Coco Chanel, Louise Brooks, Greta Garbo, and Ingrid Bergman (to name a few).

As far as the as the future of Israel in regards to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, Israel really doesn't want to take-on any more none productive burdens then it already has. Israel doesn't want to annex these areas any more than it wants to be responsible for the financial support of the Arab Palestinians. The Israel interest is purely a matter of self-defense; the establishment of defensible boundaries.

Most Respectfully,
R

Dear Rocco,
I Believe you just answered your own question;

Israel is pretty much the only financing economic entity for the Palestinians once you take the NGO and donors out of the equation, which would certainly become full-time employees in the Israeli economy.

That by itself seems to be a burdensome situation only because we consider the Palestinians at their current state. (meh)

However, I belive this would be a fear that never hits reality since the Palestinians (including the inspired for pro-feminism Palestinian women) would adept the Israeli economy along the way, here's a short list of mutual economic benefits assuming it happens tomorrow morning:

For Israel:

1.Massive deductible defense budget.
2.Highly motivated employees (3.6 milions! Thats-)
3.40% increase of demand by taking into consideration that every average Palestinian consume equally to the average Israeli consumer.
4.Open trade with the Arab world and regional markets.
5.Whole world of technical solutions and problems gap for start up entrepreneurs.
6.Breaking the land 'crisis' (for those allergic to the south)

For the Palestinians:

1.Hundreds of career opportunities for each and every Palestinian.
2.Access to Israeli welfare and benefits (which are damn good)
3.Great education opportunities for the youth.
4.Technological and technical benefits for every Palestinian (Credit, retirement and insurance options, networks such as high speed Internet services, 4G, transportation, public infrastructure and a lot more!)
5.Last but the most important reason (IMHO) is a reason to live, in dignity.

The numbers are just a wild evaluation that I'm taking myself the freedom to suggest since mending the conflict wounds will be so refreshingly rewarding for both of us, that economically speaking- it doesn't even matter much anyway, but for the sake of the conversation-

Conclusion: Israel will experience a very solid increase in its economical state, the Palestinians will finally be able to phrase "Economy" and "Palestinians" in the same sentence, and we all would be benefitted beyond our wildest dreams and this is only financially speaking.

Unfortunately idiocracy didn't skip our tiny little boat and we are busy competing over who can drink more salty sea water, to drown us all.

Your entire hypothesis depends on a desire of the itinerant Arab Muslim population in Israel towards peace. A wildly incorrect assumption. If we've learned nothing else since the first assaults of the Muslim Arabs in 48 its been that they under no circumstances will tolerate peace.

Those who refuse to learn the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it.

The Judaic people are right to contain the itinerant Arab Muslim threat in Israel. They are wrong to allow it to stay there. Israel would do well to follow the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of civilians and prisoners in war to the letter. Vet the enemy population under the rules of war and repatriate all those who do not qualify to remain where they are.

The facts of the last half century make it clear the itinerant Arab Muslims are just going to have to return to their countries of origin. Israel is under NO legal obligation to maintain a hostile enemy combatant within its own territory.

 

[Daniyel]

Roudy, et al,

I'm not sure that the third and fourth waves of feminism are actually real, although clearly, the women of the Pacific Rim, Canada and the US, have shown some of the indicators that mark the turn-over. But the early development of such prominent personalities as Coco Chanel (1883-1971) brought a new wave of development for women in all walks of life. Women like Coco Chanel and Louise Brooks (and there were many in the 1920s) launch the type of feminine leadership among young Western women who wore short skirts, bobbed their hair, listened to jazz, and flaunted their new brazen behavior that forever change the culture of Western women.

This has been a 20 year worry of Israel/Israel supporters, and an ostensible demographic Trump card for 'palestinians.' Between Higher fertility and record immigration from Europe, this trend has ended.

Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic
The jump has calmed the fears of many Israeli Jews of being outnumbered, writes
Wall Street Journal - July 14, 2016
By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV
Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic

JERUSALEM—Israel’s peace camp and its international backers have long used one crude but powerful argument: Arabs make more babies than Jews and unless a separate Palestinian state is created, a demographic time bomb will turn Jews into a dwindling minority akin to white South Africans.

That prospect certainly seemed real when the Oslo peace process began in the 1990s. Fertility among Israeli Jews stood at an average of 2.6 children per woman, compared with 4.7 among Muslims in Israel and East Jerusalem and 6.0 among Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Yasser Arafat at the time famously declared that the womb of the Palestinian woman was his people’s most potent weapon.

Yet over the past decade, a demographic revolution with long-lasting political consequences has occurred. Jewish birthrates in Israel have spiked while Arab birthrates in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Middle East have declined. This unlikely baby boom has made many Israeli Jews a lot less afraid of being outnumbered—one of the underappreciated reasons why the country’s voters have consistently rewarded politicians opposed to Palestinian statehood and to relinquishing land.

“When you are motivated by fear, you seek to preserve demography by giving away geography,” explained Yoram Ettinger, a former Israeli ambassador and right-wing activist who has been active in publicizing the impact of Israel’s rising birthrate. “But if you examine Israel’s demographics realistically, there is no need to think in such terms.”

The Jewish fertility rate in Israel was 3.11 per woman in 2014, the last full year for which data is available, while among the Arab citizens of Israel and East Jerusalem residents it was only a notch higher at 3.17, according to Israel’s statistics bureau. Palestinian fertility rates have fallen to 3.7 in the West Bank from 5.6 in 1997, and to 4.5 from 6.9 children in the Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian statistics bureau.

“There will be no demographic time bomb,” Israel’s defense minister and right-wing politician Avigdor Lieberman said in an interview before his recent appointment. “Birthrates in the Arab and Jewish sectors will continue converging, while we also hope that a considerable part of Jews from Western Europe, and also from North America, will come here.” Jewish immigration last year, from countries such as France and Ukraine, was at the highest level since 2003.​

​

Like I said, in one to two generations, Israel will annex most of the West Bank, and Egypt will annex Gaza.

(COMMENT)

But I don't agree that we have seen much in the fourth generation of women (feminism) that really wasn't pioneered by the like of Coco Chanel, Louise Brooks, Greta Garbo, and Ingrid Bergman (to name a few).

As far as the as the future of Israel in regards to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, Israel really doesn't want to take-on any more none productive burdens then it already has. Israel doesn't want to annex these areas any more than it wants to be responsible for the financial support of the Arab Palestinians. The Israel interest is purely a matter of self-defense; the establishment of defensible boundaries.

Most Respectfully,
R

Dear Rocco,
I Believe you just answered your own question;

Israel is pretty much the only financing economic entity for the Palestinians once you take the NGO and donors out of the equation, which would certainly become full-time employees in the Israeli economy.

That by itself seems to be a burdensome situation only because we consider the Palestinians at their current state. (meh)

However, I belive this would be a fear that never hits reality since the Palestinians (including the inspired for pro-feminism Palestinian women) would adept the Israeli economy along the way, here's a short list of mutual economic benefits assuming it happens tomorrow morning:

For Israel:

1.Massive deductible defense budget.
2.Highly motivated employees (3.6 milions! Thats-)
3.40% increase of demand by taking into consideration that every average Palestinian consume equally to the average Israeli consumer.
4.Open trade with the Arab world and regional markets.
5.Whole world of technical solutions and problems gap for start up entrepreneurs.
6.Breaking the land 'crisis' (for those allergic to the south)

For the Palestinians:

1.Hundreds of career opportunities for each and every Palestinian.
2.Access to Israeli welfare and benefits (which are damn good)
3.Great education opportunities for the youth.
4.Technological and technical benefits for every Palestinian (Credit, retirement and insurance options, networks such as high speed Internet services, 4G, transportation, public infrastructure and a lot more!)
5.Last but the most important reason (IMHO) is a reason to live, in dignity.

The numbers are just a wild evaluation that I'm taking myself the freedom to suggest since mending the conflict wounds will be so refreshingly rewarding for both of us, that economically speaking- it doesn't even matter much anyway, but for the sake of the conversation-

Conclusion: Israel will experience a very solid increase in its economical state, the Palestinians will finally be able to phrase "Economy" and "Palestinians" in the same sentence, and we all would be benefitted beyond our wildest dreams and this is only financially speaking.

Unfortunately idiocracy didn't skip our tiny little boat and we are busy competing over who can drink more salty sea water, to drown us all.

Your entire hypothesis depends on a desire of the itinerant Arab Muslim population in Israel towards peace. A wildly incorrect assumption. If we've learned nothing else since the first assaults of the Muslim Arabs in 48 its been that they under no circumstances will tolerate peace.

Those who refuse to learn the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it.

The Judaic people are right to contain the itinerant Arab Muslim threat in Israel. They are wrong to allow it to stay there. Israel would do well to follow the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of civilians and prisoners in war to the letter. Vet the enemy population under the rules of war and repatriate all those who do not qualify to remain where they are.

The facts of the last half century make it clear the itinerant Arab Muslims are just going to have to return to their countries of origin. Israel is under NO legal obligation to maintain a hostile enemy combatant within its own territory.

That's only because you consider them hostile at present.
The general direction of my hypothesis relays under a scenario of which Israel annex the WB, the entire population recieve Israeli ID, and starting to understand that living in Israel isn't that bad after all.

With just as much efforts we can give them a future, I'd even say we are equally responsible for giving them a future.

The Palestinian culture and history is only rewarding it's influencing people, charming figures such as Yasser Arafat, Abu Mazen, Saib Arikat, Baraguti, Haledon Mash'al and so on, those low life's are the only ones with a reach to the Palestinian youth, they are the only ones to try to unite the Palestinians and I'm not saying it's for the good of the Palestinians but this is the way the Palestinians sees it throughout the massive pressure of incitement they're under, when the an Israeli legislation can easily turn warmongers and power greedy devils such as Haledon Mash'al or Abu Mazen to nothing but a conspiracy theory loons (9/11 inside job I'm waiting for your coherent reply) - Instead a leaders of millions of people.

I Don't want to drag you with a long and messed up post, but my point is that history being written by the winners, it's time for Israel to do so.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Roudy, et al,

I'm not sure that the third and fourth waves of feminism are actually real, although clearly, the women of the Pacific Rim, Canada and the US, have shown some of the indicators that mark the turn-over. But the early development of such prominent personalities as Coco Chanel (1883-1971) brought a new wave of development for women in all walks of life. Women like Coco Chanel and Louise Brooks (and there were many in the 1920s) launch the type of feminine leadership among young Western women who wore short skirts, bobbed their hair, listened to jazz, and flaunted their new brazen behavior that forever change the culture of Western women.

This has been a 20 year worry of Israel/Israel supporters, and an ostensible demographic Trump card for 'palestinians.' Between Higher fertility and record immigration from Europe, this trend has ended.

Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic
The jump has calmed the fears of many Israeli Jews of being outnumbered, writes
Wall Street Journal - July 14, 2016
By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV
Jewish Baby Boom Alters Israeli-Palestinian Dynamic

JERUSALEM—Israel’s peace camp and its international backers have long used one crude but powerful argument: Arabs make more babies than Jews and unless a separate Palestinian state is created, a demographic time bomb will turn Jews into a dwindling minority akin to white South Africans.

That prospect certainly seemed real when the Oslo peace process began in the 1990s. Fertility among Israeli Jews stood at an average of 2.6 children per woman, compared with 4.7 among Muslims in Israel and East Jerusalem and 6.0 among Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Yasser Arafat at the time famously declared that the womb of the Palestinian woman was his people’s most potent weapon.

Yet over the past decade, a demographic revolution with long-lasting political consequences has occurred. Jewish birthrates in Israel have spiked while Arab birthrates in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere in the Middle East have declined. This unlikely baby boom has made many Israeli Jews a lot less afraid of being outnumbered—one of the underappreciated reasons why the country’s voters have consistently rewarded politicians opposed to Palestinian statehood and to relinquishing land.

“When you are motivated by fear, you seek to preserve demography by giving away geography,” explained Yoram Ettinger, a former Israeli ambassador and right-wing activist who has been active in publicizing the impact of Israel’s rising birthrate. “But if you examine Israel’s demographics realistically, there is no need to think in such terms.”

The Jewish fertility rate in Israel was 3.11 per woman in 2014, the last full year for which data is available, while among the Arab citizens of Israel and East Jerusalem residents it was only a notch higher at 3.17, according to Israel’s statistics bureau. Palestinian fertility rates have fallen to 3.7 in the West Bank from 5.6 in 1997, and to 4.5 from 6.9 children in the Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian statistics bureau.

“There will be no demographic time bomb,” Israel’s defense minister and right-wing politician Avigdor Lieberman said in an interview before his recent appointment. “Birthrates in the Arab and Jewish sectors will continue converging, while we also hope that a considerable part of Jews from Western Europe, and also from North America, will come here.” Jewish immigration last year, from countries such as France and Ukraine, was at the highest level since 2003.​

​

Like I said, in one to two generations, Israel will annex most of the West Bank, and Egypt will annex Gaza.

(COMMENT)

But I don't agree that we have seen much in the fourth generation of women (feminism) that really wasn't pioneered by the like of Coco Chanel, Louise Brooks, Greta Garbo, and Ingrid Bergman (to name a few).

As far as the as the future of Israel in regards to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, Israel really doesn't want to take-on any more none productive burdens then it already has. Israel doesn't want to annex these areas any more than it wants to be responsible for the financial support of the Arab Palestinians. The Israel interest is purely a matter of self-defense; the establishment of defensible boundaries.

Most Respectfully,
R

Dear Rocco,
I Believe you just answered your own question;

Israel is pretty much the only financing economic entity for the Palestinians once you take the NGO and donors out of the equation, which would certainly become full-time employees in the Israeli economy.

That by itself seems to be a burdensome situation only because we consider the Palestinians at their current state. (meh)

However, I belive this would be a fear that never hits reality since the Palestinians (including the inspired for pro-feminism Palestinian women) would adept the Israeli economy along the way, here's a short list of mutual economic benefits assuming it happens tomorrow morning:

For Israel:

1.Massive deductible defense budget.
2.Highly motivated employees (3.6 milions! Thats-)
3.40% increase of demand by taking into consideration that every average Palestinian consume equally to the average Israeli consumer.
4.Open trade with the Arab world and regional markets.
5.Whole world of technical solutions and problems gap for start up entrepreneurs.
6.Breaking the land 'crisis' (for those allergic to the south)

For the Palestinians:

1.Hundreds of career opportunities for each and every Palestinian.
2.Access to Israeli welfare and benefits (which are damn good)
3.Great education opportunities for the youth.
4.Technological and technical benefits for every Palestinian (Credit, retirement and insurance options, networks such as high speed Internet services, 4G, transportation, public infrastructure and a lot more!)
5.Last but the most important reason (IMHO) is a reason to live, in dignity.

The numbers are just a wild evaluation that I'm taking myself the freedom to suggest since mending the conflict wounds will be so refreshingly rewarding for both of us, that economically speaking- it doesn't even matter much anyway, but for the sake of the conversation-

Conclusion: Israel will experience a very solid increase in its economical state, the Palestinians will finally be able to phrase "Economy" and "Palestinians" in the same sentence, and we all would be benefitted beyond our wildest dreams and this is only financially speaking.

Unfortunately idiocracy didn't skip our tiny little boat and we are busy competing over who can drink more salty sea water, to drown us all.

Your entire hypothesis depends on a desire of the itinerant Arab Muslim population in Israel towards peace. A wildly incorrect assumption. If we've learned nothing else since the first assaults of the Muslim Arabs in 48 its been that they under no circumstances will tolerate peace.

Those who refuse to learn the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it.

The Judaic people are right to contain the itinerant Arab Muslim threat in Israel. They are wrong to allow it to stay there. Israel would do well to follow the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of civilians and prisoners in war to the letter. Vet the enemy population under the rules of war and repatriate all those who do not qualify to remain where they are.

The facts of the last half century make it clear the itinerant Arab Muslims are just going to have to return to their countries of origin. Israel is under NO legal obligation to maintain a hostile enemy combatant within its own territory.

That's only because you consider them hostile at present.
The general direction of my hypothesis relays under a scenario of which Israel annex the WB, the entire population recieve Israeli ID, and starting to understand that living in Israel isn't that bad after all.

With just as much efforts we can give them a future, I'd even say we are equally responsible for giving them a future.

The Palestinian culture and history is only rewarding it's influencing people, charming figures such as Yasser Arafat, Abu Mazen, Saib Arikat, Baraguti, Haledon Mash'al and so on, those low life's are the only ones with a reach to the Palestinian youth, they are the only ones to try to unite the Palestinians and I'm not saying it's for the good of the Palestinians but this is the way the Palestinians sees it throughout the massive pressure of incitement they're under, when the an Israeli legislation can easily turn warmongers and power greedy devils such as Haledon Mash'al or Abu Mazen to nothing but a conspiracy theory loons (9/11 inside job I'm waiting for your coherent reply) - Instead a leaders of millions of people.

I Don't want to drag you with a long and messed up post, but my point is that history being written by the winners, it's time for Israel to do so.

you are the conspiracy theory loon agent troll.
the fact you worship what the LAMEstream media tells you when they have no evidence to back up their theorys and lies but you accept at face value..

 

[Roudy]

^^^^^^^^^
I find it hilariously funny that someone with the screen name of "9-11 Inside Handjob" is accusing others of being conspiracy loons.

 

[Phoenall]

Roudy, et al,

I'm not sure that the third and fourth waves of feminism are actually real, although clearly, the women of the Pacific Rim, Canada and the US, have shown some of the indicators that mark the turn-over. But the early development of such prominent personalities as Coco Chanel (1883-1971) brought a new wave of development for women in all walks of life. Women like Coco Chanel and Louise Brooks (and there were many in the 1920s) launch the type of feminine leadership among young Western women who wore short skirts, bobbed their hair, listened to jazz, and flaunted their new brazen behavior that forever change the culture of Western women.

​

Like I said, in one to two generations, Israel will annex most of the West Bank, and Egypt will annex Gaza.

(COMMENT)

But I don't agree that we have seen much in the fourth generation of women (feminism) that really wasn't pioneered by the like of Coco Chanel, Louise Brooks, Greta Garbo, and Ingrid Bergman (to name a few).

As far as the as the future of Israel in regards to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, Israel really doesn't want to take-on any more none productive burdens then it already has. Israel doesn't want to annex these areas any more than it wants to be responsible for the financial support of the Arab Palestinians. The Israel interest is purely a matter of self-defense; the establishment of defensible boundaries.

Most Respectfully,
R

Dear Rocco,
I Believe you just answered your own question;

Israel is pretty much the only financing economic entity for the Palestinians once you take the NGO and donors out of the equation, which would certainly become full-time employees in the Israeli economy.

That by itself seems to be a burdensome situation only because we consider the Palestinians at their current state. (meh)

However, I belive this would be a fear that never hits reality since the Palestinians (including the inspired for pro-feminism Palestinian women) would adept the Israeli economy along the way, here's a short list of mutual economic benefits assuming it happens tomorrow morning:

For Israel:

1.Massive deductible defense budget.
2.Highly motivated employees (3.6 milions! Thats-)
3.40% increase of demand by taking into consideration that every average Palestinian consume equally to the average Israeli consumer.
4.Open trade with the Arab world and regional markets.
5.Whole world of technical solutions and problems gap for start up entrepreneurs.
6.Breaking the land 'crisis' (for those allergic to the south)

For the Palestinians:

1.Hundreds of career opportunities for each and every Palestinian.
2.Access to Israeli welfare and benefits (which are damn good)
3.Great education opportunities for the youth.
4.Technological and technical benefits for every Palestinian (Credit, retirement and insurance options, networks such as high speed Internet services, 4G, transportation, public infrastructure and a lot more!)
5.Last but the most important reason (IMHO) is a reason to live, in dignity.

The numbers are just a wild evaluation that I'm taking myself the freedom to suggest since mending the conflict wounds will be so refreshingly rewarding for both of us, that economically speaking- it doesn't even matter much anyway, but for the sake of the conversation-

Conclusion: Israel will experience a very solid increase in its economical state, the Palestinians will finally be able to phrase "Economy" and "Palestinians" in the same sentence, and we all would be benefitted beyond our wildest dreams and this is only financially speaking.

Unfortunately idiocracy didn't skip our tiny little boat and we are busy competing over who can drink more salty sea water, to drown us all.

Your entire hypothesis depends on a desire of the itinerant Arab Muslim population in Israel towards peace. A wildly incorrect assumption. If we've learned nothing else since the first assaults of the Muslim Arabs in 48 its been that they under no circumstances will tolerate peace.

Those who refuse to learn the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it.

The Judaic people are right to contain the itinerant Arab Muslim threat in Israel. They are wrong to allow it to stay there. Israel would do well to follow the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of civilians and prisoners in war to the letter. Vet the enemy population under the rules of war and repatriate all those who do not qualify to remain where they are.

The facts of the last half century make it clear the itinerant Arab Muslims are just going to have to return to their countries of origin. Israel is under NO legal obligation to maintain a hostile enemy combatant within its own territory.

That's only because you consider them hostile at present.
The general direction of my hypothesis relays under a scenario of which Israel annex the WB, the entire population recieve Israeli ID, and starting to understand that living in Israel isn't that bad after all.

With just as much efforts we can give them a future, I'd even say we are equally responsible for giving them a future.

The Palestinian culture and history is only rewarding it's influencing people, charming figures such as Yasser Arafat, Abu Mazen, Saib Arikat, Baraguti, Haledon Mash'al and so on, those low life's are the only ones with a reach to the Palestinian youth, they are the only ones to try to unite the Palestinians and I'm not saying it's for the good of the Palestinians but this is the way the Palestinians sees it throughout the massive pressure of incitement they're under, when the an Israeli legislation can easily turn warmongers and power greedy devils such as Haledon Mash'al or Abu Mazen to nothing but a conspiracy theory loons (9/11 inside job I'm waiting for your coherent reply) - Instead a leaders of millions of people.

I Don't want to drag you with a long and messed up post, but my point is that history being written by the winners, it's time for Israel to do so.

you are the conspiracy theory loon agent troll.
the fact you worship what the LAMEstream media tells you when they have no evidence to back up their theorys and lies but you accept at face value..

And where is your ecidence to support your conspiracy theories that has not already been taken apart and laid bare on the table. Who went in to the WTC every night and demolished whole walls so they could get at the steel skeleton to attach military grade explosives and lipo battery powered detonators. They left no mess, no smell of fresh paint and no removal of everyday marks