There is no such thing as black privilege.
au contraire monsieur IM2.....>>>
Here's a new message to blacks complaining about racism: You don't know how good you have it. It's called "black privilege." Others call that idea pure bunk.
www.cnn.com
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There is no such thing as black privilege. Opposing racism is not a privilege. Turn black and then tell me about this privilege we have for facing racism and complaining about it. Read the article sparky.
You played yourself.
Facing racism eh ? Hmmm could it be that if you are scoffed at when you are walking through a neighborhood with half your butt showing because your pants are on the ground or they are to your knees, and your boom box is playing profanity n-word music at ear splitting levels, do you think that the disgusting looks you might get aren't justified, otherwise by people in their yards or riding by in cars ?????????????? I pulled up to a gas pump not long ago, and there was an old black friend getting gas on the other side of the island. We began a conversation that was quickly interupted by a young black guy who pulled up to get gas as well. His rap music was at ear splitting levels, and it was pumping out some disgusting lyrics. Me and my friend just gave up on talking because we couldn't hear each other. So we just made a goodbye gesture and went on our way. I felt sorry for my friend, because I could see the sadness in him about the situation.
Since your anecdotal does not matter when we are talking about law and policy and we can create the same anecdotal about white tattooed kids dressed in grunge cursing up a storm, blaring metal as they drive down the street, your post is another example of your double standard, refusal of looking at the problems in the white community., white fragility, aversive racism and pure idiocy.
Yeah ok Mr. Racist dude, it don't matter just like in the crime statistics where as blacks are only a small percent of the population, yet they commit the largest % of crimes, and worse they are committing those crimes upon each other at alarming rates. Of course blame ****** for that also right ?? One tattooed white dude out of thousands living peaceful, and doing the right thing, but you try to use him for your come back. Rotflmbo.
You presented one black dude with his pants sagging while the majority of blacks don't sag and don't commit crimes. Whites commit the largest percentage of all crimes annually. 2.5 times more than blacks and that's every year. Whites commit those crimes against each other at the same rate as blacks do against each other.
Definition of delusion:1 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated. b psychology : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also: the abnormal state marked by such beliefs. 2 : the act of tricking or deceiving someone the state of being deluded.
You are delusional son.
Whites may commit 2.5 times more crimes than Blacks but that may be because there are 2.5 times as many white people than there are black people. We have all seen the FBI statistic charts, there's no reason to pull one up, but blacks at 14 % of the population do commit a percentage of crime greater than their population reflects. What does all that mean to me? not much... this is just the conversation that goes on and on and on... yes, we whites commit a lot of crimes.. what makes you think though that the "white" community ( I see us all as the same community.. the American Community) is not doing anything about it? of course we are.. problem is life is just F'd up it will never be perfect. There are programs, church groups and plenty attempts to create social awareness about crime. And of course there is punishment as well and laws on the books that were created because of public outcry at some point.
Then there is the attempt to create an environment of education, knowing that that alone giving kids a sense of hope is one of the greatest deterents to crime.
Success in life is very much about momentum and moving forward, and losing that forward momentum is often the hardest obstacle to get over. That dynamic occurs in the micro sense of an individuals life, but also in the Macro sense.... family unit and upwards from there. Societal positive momentum is sort of maintained by holding each other accountable as well,
However.. this all is much more complicated than a White person telling a Black person... "get your community in order" and vice versa, when you say the same thing to a white. It just doesn't happen that way.
And that doesn't mean that we all don't have a desire for a better world. Sometimes we all blame each other way too much in an imperfect world that has been made imperfect by more than one thing. And talking about race and racism is like taking apart an onion, one layer leads to another, someone is ALWAYS going to be offended, so with all do respect, you cant tell people to shut up while on another thread, wonder why people don't want to talk about race. Everyone has their way of trying to approach the subject and perhaps its the only way they can.
So back to race and crime, racism? I don't believe any of it is about genetics, though race is the visible thing that is the easiest to focus on. Crime and racism is tied to societal development of course because usually groups develop separate from each other with different obsticals and advantages , interactions and sometimes isolation, there are going to be different outcomes.
Blacks may commit a higher percentage of crime based on population, but its only because of circumstance and not race. Same goes for whites.
Proof is take a look at Iceland, its a small mostly white country that has had minimal societal disruption. They have like one murder a year.. if even that, and very little crime. They don't have prisons or jails to speak of. And what is the difference between them and white people living in the US who commit huge amounts of various crimes in comparison? is it genetic? No its not.
same could probably be said for isolated tribes in the jungles of South America and Africa. Societal development and disruption is a much greater factor than race in my opinion. In conclusion, Race however is very visual so that is what is always focused on rather than deeper and more complex factors.
In the real world though, whats the solutions? thats the hard part. We have laws on the books but yes it does take social awareness. Creating social awareness however doesn't need to be done in a way that keeps making people enemies, because thats not constructive. It defeats the entire purpose.
Unacceptable. Whites have everything in their community that is supposed to stop people from committing crime but they commit more than double. And your use of total population versus percent of a crime is an inaccurate way of coming to a conclusion. The number of blacks committing crimes do not equal 14 percent of the population. You whites measure crime by overall population percentage versus percentage of crimes instead of number of crimes and number of participants in those crimes. It is a flawed use of math only done to try justifying white supremacy. We have the numbers of people committing the crimes and we can use those numbers to represent the part of the population that commit crimes.
7 million whites were arrested for crimes in 2018, that is 2.5 percent of the population. 3 million blacks were arrested for crimes, that is one percent of the population. By all standards 7 million is more than 3 million so when we talk about crime this shows more whites are committing crime. There are more whites playing basketball but the NBA is mostly black. Using the excuses you guys always come up with the NBA should be mostly white. But not everybody white participates in basketball nor does every black. The same with crime. That silly you have 14 percent argument is invalid and its time you guys stopped using it.
I've read this far... so far.
"Unacceptable. Whites have everything in their community that is supposed to stop people from committing crime"
So , what is it that whites have in their community that should make them perfect angels? if you can seriously make that statement, you are looking at what makes a human being in very shallow terms... and very one dimensional. my god.
You really believe that people do not have defects due to family history and society? you really believe this white privelige everyone talks about is something white people really tap into and it makes them feel good and secure every day.... You have that ability to look into someone's soul?
Oh my you are special. Well, please explain why in Iceland they have zero homicides... they have one every great once in a while. They have had a very stable society for hundreds of years, we can start there. The united states is made up of people from god knows where who ere thrown together in a hundred thousand different ways. All you can see is White man has priveledge, and black man does not. thats true in so many cases but you are looking at the part and not the whole. It's a much more complicated thing. If white people really had everything they need to keep them from commiting crimes... then what is it? you think white people are inherently evil? I have seen this thrown out there by people here, that white people need to be bred out of existence.
According to those that study crime, crime is caused by poverty, lack of resources, lack of wealth, etc. Whites in most communities don't lack any of those things, while blacks have an overabundance of the conditions that cause crime. Yet whites commit the most crime.
Now you guys are really good at talking about other places, but we live in America so we must talk about crime in America, not iceland. You have wanted to deny racism and all of its effects even as you say racism exists. I am looking at the whole, you are looking at ways to excuse, and this is a classic example of white fragility. I don't know why whites have everything needed to not have crime but commit the most. All I know is that whites have these things and commit most of the crimes while always blaming us for being the most violent. US history shows that whites have been the most violent and criminal group. Why? A belief in white supremacy.
You have spent a lot of time trying to excuse things in my view. I have not ignored family defects but that is never considered by whites here when they talk about us. It's just that blacks are 14 percent of the population and they commit a larger share of crime than their total population. An argument you have presented yourself. There is no consideration of the psychological damage white racism created in the overall black community by you many of the others here ever. But now that we are talking about white,s then we must consider family defects and things like that. So let's start understanding the damage white racist has caused in black people and the various means of coping that comes along with dealing with abusive behavior both good and bad from the perspective of those who endure the abuse.
White privilege is a real thing and it so much a privilege that you don't even see how you have it. That term was made up by a white person to describe how things are for whites. Not by a black person so then I do think that a white person knows how white people get to do things others don't. And you know it as well. So don't try to diminish a reality that other whites admit themselves to be true.
All I know is that whites have these things and commit most of the crimes while always blaming us for being the most violent.
Right, whites have all these things, yet white people make up 48% of those living in poverty in the U.S. but you wouldn't know that, because like you said, "whites don't lack any of those things"
How would you IM2, know what millions of people have or don't have?
Secondly, I've never said blacks are more violent, and actually I don't believe that. Most crimes are comitted by gangs or repeat offenders who pack the stats. And by me making those statements about crime numbers Im not Insinuating black people are more inherently violent. It's just numbers which reflects
You have spent a lot of time trying to excuse things in my view. I have not ignored family defects but that is never considered by whites here when they talk about us.
When white people try to talk about family issues in the black community like broken homes leading to kids not doing as well in school, or the fact that a lot of black families live in crowded urban areas that lack resources... we also get told to be quiet and just be concerned with the white community. I know I have. As if the comments were meant as a put down and not a point of concern. And if you talk about the lack of discipline in public schools where teachers have lost control of classes... thats also seen as a put down and not a point of concern.
So yes. Black families' successes in the larger sense have lost forward momentum due to racism and other factors through out history such as living in poverty for extended periods, they have issues due that, and I think most people ARE aware of those "family defects" but most of the time conversations are just accusatory back and forth.
So what people need to do in my opinion is talk about the things we do have in common, and talk about solutions to the problems we have.
Whites like you get told these things because what you talk about is not the problem. Blacks were living at a much higher rate of poverty in the golden years whereby the black family met white qualifications as a family unit.
Learn some facts. Not the facts YOU want to believe, but the truth. Because I ran around in white suburbs "knowing" divorced white women for years and there were entire communities full of white single moms, many not getting alimony, but they were also not living in poverty. In fact they were doing quite well. THAT'S BECAUSE OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. So this myth about the black family is just that and it's invalid.
On February 26, 2018, 50 years after the Kerner Commission findings, the Economic Policy Institute published a report evaluating the progress of the black community since the Kerner Report was released. It was based on a study done by the Economic Policy Institute that compared the progress of the black community with the condition of the black community at the time of the Kerner Commission. The Kerner Commission met in 1968 and made recommendation on how to move toward racial progress. Titled
“50 years after the Kerner Commission,” the study’s central premise was that there had been some improvements in the situation blacks faced but still face disadvantages that were based on race.
Here are some of the findings.
African Americans today are much better educated than they were in 1968 but still lag behind whites in overall educational attainment. More than 90 percent of younger African Americans (ages 25 to 29) have graduated from high school, compared with just over half in 1968—which means they’ve nearly closed the gap with white high school graduation rates. They are also more than twice as likely to have a college degree as in 1968 but are still half as likely as young whites to have a college degree.
The substantial progress in educational attainment of African Americans has been accompanied by significant absolute improvements in wages, incomes, wealth, and health since 1968. But black workers still make only 82.5 cents on every dollar earned by white workers, African Americans are 2.5 times as likely to be in poverty as whites, and the median white family has almost 10 times as much wealth as the median black family.
With respect to homeownership, unemployment, and incarceration, America has failed to deliver any progress for African Americans over the last five decades. In these areas, their situation has either failed to improve relative to whites or has worsened. In 2017 the black unemployment rate was 7.5 percent, up from 6.7 percent in 1968, and is still roughly twice the white unemployment rate. In 2015, the black homeownership rate was just over 40 percent, virtually unchanged since 1968, and trailing a full 30 points behind the white homeownership rate, which saw modest gains over the same period. And the share of African Americans in prison or jail almost tripled between 1968 and 2016 and is currently more than six times the white incarceration rate.
Following up on this, Richard Rothstein of the Economic Policy Institute, wrote an op ed published in the February 28th edition of the New York Daily News entitled,
“50 years after the Kerner Commission, minimal racial progress.” It had been 50 years since the commission made those recommendations at that point, yet Rothstein makes this statement:
“So little has changed since 1968 that the report remains worth reading as a near-contemporary description of racial inequality.” People knowing nothing about responsibility want to lecture us on being accountable for our own situation.
For example, in 1959 poverty for blacks was 55.1 percent. For whites it was White 18.1. Black poverty 3.044198895027624 times that of whites. This is 6 years before the Civil Rights Act and during legalized segregation. In 1966, poverty for Blacks was 41.8 percent. For whites it was 11.3 percent. Black poverty was 3.699115044247788 times that of whites. This is one year after the Civil Rights Act was passed and whites were still trying to figure it out. In 1975, poverty for Blacks was 31.3 percent. For Whites 9.7 percent. Black poverty 3.22680412371134 times that of whites 10 years after the Civil Rights Act was passed. In 1985, poverty for Blacks was 31.3 percent. For Whites 11.4 percent. Black poverty 2.745614035087719 times that of whites 20 years after the civil rights act was passed. One would think that if a real concerted effort had been made by whites relative to hiring and equal pay this would not be the case.
In 2000, Poverty for Blacks was 22.5 percent. For Whites 9.5 percent. Black poverty was 2.368421052631579 times that of whites 35 years after the Civil Rights Act. In 35 years black poverty was still twice that of whites and had decreased basically by less than a point from 1959. Therefore one can reasonably conclude that either programs and policies designed to lower poverty in the black community did not work, or the necessary effort and emphasis was not placed in trying to do what it takes to lower poverty in the black community so that it is at least comparable to that of whites.
In 2014, Poverty for Blacks was 26.2 percent. For Whites 12.7 percent. 49 years after the Civil Rights Act was passed, Black poverty was 2.062992125984252 times that of whites. Since 1959 this represents approximately .98 of a percentage point difference. From 1966, It represents approximately a 1.7 percentage decrease in over a 50 year span between blacks and whites. These numbers are cited from the US Department of the census.
Get the drift. I've studied this for years and I get tired of these opinions coming from you guys who haven't. The black family is not the issue.
On October 24, 2013, the Kellogg Foundation sent out a press release about a report they had done entitled,
“The Business Case for Racial Equity”. This was a study done by the Kellogg Foundation, using information it had studied and assessed from the Center for American Progress, National Urban League Policy Institute, Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies and the U.S. Department of Justice.
“Striving for racial equity – a world where race is no longer a factor in the distribution of opportunity – is a matter of social justice. But moving toward racial equity can generate significant economic returns as well. When people face barriers to achieving their full potential, the loss of talent, creativity, energy, and productivity is a burden not only for those disadvantaged, but for communities, businesses, governments, and the economy as a whole. Initial research on the magnitude of this burden in the United States (U.S.), as highlighted in this brief, reveals impacts in the trillions of dollars in lost earnings, avoidable public expenditures, and lost economic output.”
The Kellogg Foundation and Altarum Institute
In 2011, DEMOS did a study named
“The Racial Wealth Gap, Why Policy Matters”, which discussed the racial wealth gap, the problems associated with it along with solutions and outcomes if the gap did not exist. In this study DEMOS determined that the racial wealth gap was primarily driven by policy decisions.
“The U.S. racial wealth gap is substantial and is driven by public policy decisions. According to our analysis of the SIPP data, in 2011 the median white household had $111,146 in wealth holdings, compared to just $7,113 for the median Black household and $8,348 for the median Latino household. From the continuing impact of redlining on American homeownership to the retreat from desegregation in public education, public policy has shaped these disparities, leaving them impossible to overcome without racially-aware policy change.”
In order to reach true equality in a capitalist system all must have equal control of capital, especially in our own communities. Blacks have an estimated economy of 1.3 trillion dollars.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there are 2.6 million Black-owned business in the United States, compared to 22.6 million white-owned businesses. Blacks/African Americans, who make up more than 13% of the U.S. population, only own about 7% of all the businesses in the country, and generate only about 0.5% of total receipts. Out of those 2.6 million businesses, 95 percent were sole proprietorships with no hired employees. 109,000 of these businesses were able to hire employees. Those businesses hired over 975,000 people.
It is apparent that such numbers need to increase. While much is made about foreign trade deficits, Americans face internal trade deficits of our own making.
Blacks are 13 percent of the American population but have 2.6 percent of the wealth. This did not happen because of laziness or lack of family structure. Indeed, the historical records shows that blacks have consistently worked as hard or harder than whites and for far less money, including over 230 years for free. Equality in a capitalist system means we have 13 percent of the wealth. We have 1/5 the wealth we should have in proportion to our population.
So again, let me break down what white racism has done to this nation. While certain whites gloat about how successful they have been as a race and lecture others about how they have failed, facts show they have created the problems being complained about today. If not for racism everyone would be better off economically, fewer people would be on the public dime, tax revenues would increase at every level with possibly no national deficit or debt. Crime and unemployment would be reduced. More than likely the increased tax revenue could help provide free education and health care to all American citizens. Study after study show that virtually every economic problem we have as a country stems from denying opportunities for people of color due to racism.
“It will end up costing the U.S. economy as much as $1 trillion between now and 2028 for the nation to maintain its longstanding black-white racial wealth gap, according to a report released this month from the global consultancy firm McKinsey & Company. That will be roughly 4 percent of the United States GDP in 2028—just the conservative view, assuming that the wealth growth rates of African Americans will outpace white wealth growth at its current clip of 3 percent to .8 percent annually, said McKinsey. If the gap widens, however, with white wealth growing at a faster rate than black wealth instead, it could end up costing the U.S. $1.5 trillion or 6 percent of GDP according to the firm.”
Brentin Mock, “White Americans’ Hold on Wealth Is Old, Deep, and Nearly Unshakeable”
The problem boils down to a lack of money. Much of that is due to racism both past and current. Furthermore blacks pay taxes to city, country, state and federal governments but we do not get our money back in return relative to community development, education and essential services like properly lit streets, in some cites no sidewalks, and other amenities you see sitting undeveloped in white communities. So many times I drove through KC and saw streets in white communities with no houses, driveways to dirt, sidewalks for nobody and well lit streets to show off the dirt. But in the black community, I saw dirt side streets, streets, too narrow for more than one car, no sidewalks, and entire dark neighborhoods. Then we deposit our money in banks and can't get a loan to start a business, or buy a home. None of these things have anything to do with family and everything to do with improving life in the black community.
