The stock market

[Windship]

The stock market doesnt do anything for the economy. The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take. Thats what unfettered capitalism does. Dont you know what builds a healthy economy? Working people do. Look it up.

The stock market doesnt do anything for the economy.

Wrong, Commie breath.

The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take.

How does it do that?

Thats what unfettered capitalism does.

Unfettered capitalism ≠ the stock market
The stock market ≠ unfettered capitalism

Dont you know what builds a healthy economy? Working people do.

Don't Cuba and Venezuela have working people?
How are their economies doing?

Lol, you cant see the difference? or you just playing dumb for sake of your point?
Explain to me why our economy grew after the industrial revolution and became the world superpower and number one consumer ...CONSUMER... nation?The working class fought for and won what never should have been denied to them. They were payed well enough to spend and acquire credit. Thats what builds a strong economy. Whats your spin?

Lol, you cant see the difference?

Yes, I can see the difference between the failure of Cuba and Venezuela and the success of the US.
Can you?

Whats your spin?

Pointing out your idiocy is anti-spin, eh comrade?

The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take

You never answered....how?

..and what you fail to say is that cuba and venezuela are not oligarchies masquerading as democracies. You compare The US to cuba and venezuela...thats desperate.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dig this you jerks. Lol, you think the corporations will let you keep your 100,400 or 800thousand dollar bank accounts...gues what/...they want YOUR money to! Truth is is that if your not part of those 62 families that run the world,...you and I are going to be in the same boat....but your greed has blinded you. I siggest you watch this:

you think the corporations will let you keep your 100,400 or 800thousand dollar bank accounts...

How are the corporations going to take my bank account? Which corporations?

Truth is is that if your not part of those 62 families that run the world,...

You're seeing a whole team of psychiatrists, aren't you?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The stock market doesnt do anything for the economy. The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take. Thats what unfettered capitalism does. Dont you know what builds a healthy economy? Working people do. Look it up.

The stock market doesnt do anything for the economy.

Wrong, Commie breath.

The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take.

How does it do that?

Thats what unfettered capitalism does.

Unfettered capitalism ≠ the stock market
The stock market ≠ unfettered capitalism

Dont you know what builds a healthy economy? Working people do.

Don't Cuba and Venezuela have working people?
How are their economies doing?

Lol, you cant see the difference? or you just playing dumb for sake of your point?
Explain to me why our economy grew after the industrial revolution and became the world superpower and number one consumer ...CONSUMER... nation?The working class fought for and won what never should have been denied to them. They were payed well enough to spend and acquire credit. Thats what builds a strong economy. Whats your spin?

Lol, you cant see the difference?

Yes, I can see the difference between the failure of Cuba and Venezuela and the success of the US.
Can you?

Whats your spin?

Pointing out your idiocy is anti-spin, eh comrade?

The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take

You never answered....how?

..and what you fail to say is that cuba and venezuela are not oligarchies masquerading as democracies. You compare The US to cuba and venezuela...thats desperate.

..and what you fail to say is that cuba and venezuela are not oligarchies masquerading as democracies

What are they? Tell me more!

 

[Windship]

so,you pick the head of the federal reserve, alan greenspan to back up your bs? The federal reserve...center for unfettered, economy killing capitalism?...thats another funny one and a bunch of horseshit and you know it.

 

[Indeependent]

A bunch of do nothing, screw the country, greedy ass mf'rs. Go to hell.How much is enough? Fu. You need to be watched and regulated just like a bunch of children so you dont fk the country up...oooops...to late. Class war comin....

Greedy? You do understand that the majority of Americans are invested in stock markets, right? Are the majority of Americans greedy for doing so?

Fk the country? How is investing in businesses, our job creators, fk'ing anyone?

Sounds like someone's simply jealous of success he didn't achieve.

Class war, eh? Try bringing that shit up my driveway.

The majority can barely pay their bills.

 

[Indeependent]

ok so Ill buy 17usd worth of that stock. Now, Ive just spent thegas money on an investment that will pay me a 300% profit!!...in about 2 years. If you think working ppl can invest enough money to MAKE money?...you have the mind of a child.

First off........ LOL........ Never say to someone "you have the mind of a child", directly after typing "ppl" because "people" was too difficult.

Just trying to help you out. You want to be taken seriously.... You can't be so ignorant, as to type "ppl" and then call people names. Friendly advice

Second.... Both of my parents were public school teachers. They now have a net-worth over a million dollars. And half of that is in stocks in the stock market.

In fact, the vast majority of the stocks in this world today, are owned by the public, or are owned as retirement for the public.

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35% is owned by private households.
20% is owned by mutual funds, 401Ks, Roth 401Ks, IRAs, and Roth IRAs.
9% is owned by Pension funds, usually for Union pensions.
8% owned by government pension funds. This would be 403b plans for government workers.

71% of the market is owned by the public, and by retirement plans that benefit the public.

If you eliminated the stock market, not only would you harm the companies, and workers whose jobs exist because of the stock market..... but you would also ruin possibly hundreds of millions of people, particularly the elderly that depend on their retirement plans and pensions.

Parents were teachers...enough said.

 

[Darkwind]

The stock market doesnt do anything for the economy. The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take. Thats what unfettered capitalism does. Dont you know what builds a healthy economy? Working people do. Look it up.

Thats because the stock market is NOT the economy.

Perhaps you should learn the differences before making a bigger fool of yourself.

 

[Windship]

Dig this you jerks. Lol, you think the corporations will let you keep your 100,400 or 800thousand dollar bank accounts...gues what/...they want YOUR money to! Truth is is that if your not part of those 62 families that run the world,...you and I are going to be in the same boat....but your greed has blinded you. I siggest you watch this:

you think the corporations will let you keep your 100,400 or 800thousand dollar bank accounts...

How are the corporations going to take my bank account? Which corporations?

Truth is is that if your not part of those 62 families that run the world,...

You're seeing a whole team of psychiatrists, aren't you?

Because the corporations want it all. Your bank account is most defiantly going to be in their sights as well. You think its just the poors money that they want? Your the one that needs a psychiatrist? Show me how your going to avoid being a consumer in order to avoid the melt down?

 

[Indeependent]

The stock market doesnt do anything for the economy. The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take. Thats what unfettered capitalism does. Dont you know what builds a healthy economy? Working people do. Look it up.

Thats because the stock market is NOT the economy.

Perhaps you should learn the differences before making a bigger fool of yourself.

Most people expand or build new homes, go on vacations and buy vehicles based on their Stock Portfolio.
To claim the Stock Market is not de facto the economy is foolish.

 

[Windship]

The stock market doesnt do anything for the economy. The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take. Thats what unfettered capitalism does. Dont you know what builds a healthy economy? Working people do. Look it up.

Thats because the stock market is NOT the economy.

Perhaps you should learn the differences before making a bigger fool of yourself.

True. A huge misbelief caused by government propaganda.

 

[Darkwind]

The stock market doesnt do anything for the economy. The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take. Thats what unfettered capitalism does. Dont you know what builds a healthy economy? Working people do. Look it up.

Thats because the stock market is NOT the economy.

Perhaps you should learn the differences before making a bigger fool of yourself.

Most people expand or build new homes, go on vacations and buy vehicles based on their Stock Portfolio.
To claim the Stock Market is not de facto the economy is foolish.

Its not a claim, its a fact. Because people make foolish choices does not alter that.

 

[Indeependent]

The stock market doesnt do anything for the economy. The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take. Thats what unfettered capitalism does. Dont you know what builds a healthy economy? Working people do. Look it up.

Thats because the stock market is NOT the economy.

Perhaps you should learn the differences before making a bigger fool of yourself.

Most people expand or build new homes, go on vacations and buy vehicles based on their Stock Portfolio.
To claim the Stock Market is not de facto the economy is foolish.

Its not a claim, its a fact. Because people make foolish choices does not alter that.

There are MANY people making foolish choices because they have been fed the nonsense that Investment Firms are honest and know what they're doing.

 

[Darkwind]

The stock market doesnt do anything for the economy. The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take. Thats what unfettered capitalism does. Dont you know what builds a healthy economy? Working people do. Look it up.

Thats because the stock market is NOT the economy.

Perhaps you should learn the differences before making a bigger fool of yourself.

True. A huge misbelief caused by government propaganda.

Its more of a political tool to attack political enemies than anything. If the market is doing well, the opposition party are evil profiteers, blubbering in their greed. If its doing poorly, the opposition is responsible for the destruction of the elderly and their retirement safety nets....

The economy is based upon many things. Mostly the enactment of commerce between business and nations.

 

[Darkwind]

The stock market doesnt do anything for the economy. The stock market takes and takes and takes till there nothing left to take. Thats what unfettered capitalism does. Dont you know what builds a healthy economy? Working people do. Look it up.

Thats because the stock market is NOT the economy.

Perhaps you should learn the differences before making a bigger fool of yourself.

Most people expand or build new homes, go on vacations and buy vehicles based on their Stock Portfolio.
To claim the Stock Market is not de facto the economy is foolish.

Its not a claim, its a fact. Because people make foolish choices does not alter that.

There are MANY people making foolish choices because they have been fed the nonsense that Investment Firms are honest and know what they're doing.

I know of absolutely no brokerage firm that will tell you to go ahead and buy a house or a boat based upon your stock return. That is not what it is for or how it is used.

 

[Windship]

Economy at a Crossroads on
Why stock market doesn’t reflect the economy
NEW YORK — The stock market is not the economy.

The market's painful slide downward may be ending. The economy's suffering has a long way to go.

Do NOT post entire articles on this forum. Read the Rules.

 

[Andylusion]

Not one post that you have created in response, changed or even addressed, nor contradicted, anything I said.

Do you have nothing else to say?

 

[Andylusion]

Economy at a Crossroads on
Why stock market doesn’t reflect the economy
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NEW YORK — The stock market is not the economy.

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The market's painful slide downward may be ending. The economy's suffering has a long way to go.

How do we know that? Washington is telling us. It's saying the economy is still in serious trouble and opening the possibility of another government-funded stimulus package.

"With the economy likely to be weak for several quarters, and with some risk of a protracted slowdown, consideration of a fiscal package by the Congress at this juncture seems appropriate," Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told Congress on Monday.

The financial world has been buzzing over whether the all-out panic that fueled the recent stock rout could really be over.

On Oct. 10, the Dow Jones industrial average plunged to a close of 8,451.19 — its lowest in 5 1/2 years. Then it spent most of last week seesawing, but finished with its best weekly performance in five years.

Investors are feeling like we might have reached a turning point. They point to improving credit conditions. The London interbank offered rate, or Libor, has retreated from recent highs, which means lower interest rates on consumer loans like adjustable-rate mortgages.

There is also evidence that the market had faced extreme conditions that couldn't last. For instance, a closely watched "fear gauge" — the Chicago Board Options Exchange Volatility Index, which is known as the VIX — topped a record high of 80 last week, well above its typical level that runs closer to 50.

None of this means the economy is poised to begin healing, though. Historically, the stock market has turned a corner months before recessions end.

In the 21 recessions from the start of the 20th century, the average economic decline lasted 14.4 months and the Dow industrials tended to bottom out just over 8 months into that, according to Bespoke Investment Group.

The situation is more troubling when you break out the 10 recessions that took place before World War II, which economists say better reflects the severity of today's economic woes. Those lasted 19.1 months on average, and the Dow bottomed a year after they started.

A recession hasn't even been formally declared in the United States yet, at least when using the typical gauge of two or more quarters of negative economic growth. But most economists agree that conditions have turned so weak there is a great likelihood that we are already there.

Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a Washington, D.C. think tank, points out that higher or lower stock prices aren't what drive companies' investment decisions or their hiring plans. Those decisions are made based on economic conditions and what is happening in specific markets.

"The market may be OK," Baker said, "but we are still facing a tough recession."

A big hurdle: The continuing collapse in the real-estate market, where some $5 trillion of housing wealth has been lost in the last few years. Even if stock prices surge, consumers will remain leery about spending if they don't see some bounce in home prices. That hits the economy hard because two-thirds of its growth comes from consumer spending.

If people don't spend, companies will have to cut jobs. The nation's unemployment rate — now at 6.1 percent — could hit 7.5 percent or higher by next year, according to some economists' predictions.

That's why momentum is building in Washington for another economic stimulus package to help cash-strapped Americans.

Earlier this year, most individuals and couples received tax rebate checks of $600-$1,200 through the $168 billion stimulus package enacted in February. The government also passed earlier this month a $700 billion rescue plan for the financial system.

President Bush and Bernanke said Monday they were open to the idea of a new stimulus program.

Whatever they ultimately do will take time — something the economy is running short of.

Great! You successfully showed us you can cut and paste like the best.

So what?

 

[Windship]

Whats comin? When unfettered capitalism has devoured everything and pushed people to their limit?...what do YOU think will happen?

In lieu of capitalism, you propose what?

Socialism? How's that working out in Venezuela?
Communism? Talk about devouring everything and pushing people to their limits! Of course, the Soviet Union is still thriving, right?
So what is it to be?

By chance is your idea so darn good, it would have to be MANDATORY?

I'm guessing yes, whatever nonsense you're about the spew.

You find me one post, ANYWHERE, where I cursed capitalism you boob. What we have here, now is an oligarchic inverted totalitarian country not democracy. Our criminal government and the criminal corporations took care of that. You dont matter and your vote doesnt matter. Ill come up your fucking driveway alright. If not me, someone else will sure. And why do you fuckers always go to the worst possible example every time! Lol, why didnt you use Scandinavia as an example?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dig this you jerks. Lol, you think the corporations will let you keep your 100,400 or 800thousand dollar bank accounts...gues what/...they want YOUR money to! Truth is is that if your not part of those 62 families that run the world,...you and I are going to be in the same boat....but your greed has blinded you. I siggest you watch this:

you think the corporations will let you keep your 100,400 or 800thousand dollar bank accounts...

How are the corporations going to take my bank account? Which corporations?

Truth is is that if your not part of those 62 families that run the world,...

You're seeing a whole team of psychiatrists, aren't you?

Because the corporations want it all. Your bank account is most defiantly going to be in their sights as well. You think its just the poors money that they want? Your the one that needs a psychiatrist? Show me how your going to avoid being a consumer in order to avoid the melt down?

Because the corporations want it all.

If wants were horses.........yada yada.

Your bank account is most defiantly going to be in their sights as well.

Defiantly, well, sounds serious for sure.

 

[Windship]

ok so Ill buy 17usd worth of that stock. Now, Ive just spent thegas money on an investment that will pay me a 300% profit!!...in about 2 years. If you think working ppl can invest enough money to MAKE money?...you have the mind of a child.

First off........ LOL........ Never say to someone "you have the mind of a child", directly after typing "ppl" because "people" was too difficult.

Just trying to help you out. You want to be taken seriously.... You can't be so ignorant, as to type "ppl" and then call people names. Friendly advice

Second.... Both of my parents were public school teachers. They now have a net-worth over a million dollars. And half of that is in stocks in the stock market.

In fact, the vast majority of the stocks in this world today, are owned by the public, or are owned as retirement for the public.

View attachment 88309
35% is owned by private households.
20% is owned by mutual funds, 401Ks, Roth 401Ks, IRAs, and Roth IRAs.
9% is owned by Pension funds, usually for Union pensions.
8% owned by government pension funds. This would be 403b plans for government workers.

71% of the market is owned by the public, and by retirement plans that benefit the public.

If you eliminated the stock market, not only would you harm the companies, and workers whose jobs exist because of the stock market..... but you would also ruin possibly hundreds of millions of people, particularly the elderly that depend on their retirement plans and pensions.

So, your source is a chart created by fucking goldman sachs?...lmfaorotf...you call me ignorant? Im anything but ignorant and you know it unless you dont know how it all works but you say that knowing all too well what is causing the destruction of our country. You go ahead and play dumb...your pretty good at it.