The Steele Dossier: How Does it Hold Up?

[BWK]

Correct. You are on the road that lost. Do you need your Binky?

Exposing illegal elections is winning, in the name of the "rule of law". Not exactly sure what your concept is?

What illegal election? You mean the one you lost and can’t accept because you’re a grown child?

The one Russia bought

Didn't take long to clean these wingnuts off the board. The Dossier isn't something they can debate.

How do you expect House Democrats will use Steele's report when they acquire subpoena power next month?

.The new House Democrats are going to be working feverishly to interview those witnesses the Republicans failed to question and follow up properly. But in the end, whatever has been corroborated by the Dossier, will be used to match what Mueller has in his report. Democrats will probably never accumulate enough time to match what the Dossier has provided or Mueller, but it won't be necessary. The House Democrats will do as much as possible, so that when the report comes out, much of their work will reflect Mueller's report and match whatever they can to the Dossier. They will have a plate full, I can promise you that.

 

[BWK]

Published in January of 2017, how much of information made public by Mueller's investigation has buttressed or diminished the essence of Steele's original reporting?

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

"The dossier is actually a series of reports—16 in all—that total 35 pages. Written in 2016, the dossier is a collection of raw intelligence. Steele neither evaluated nor synthesized the intelligence.

"He neither made nor rendered bottom-line judgments.

"The dossier is, quite simply and by design, raw reporting, not a finished intelligence product...."

"With that in mind, we thought it would be worthwhile to look back at the dossier and to assess, to the extent possible, how the substance of Steele’s reporting holds up over time.

"In this effort, we considered only information in the public domain from trustworthy and official government sources, including documents released by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office in connection with the criminal cases brought against Paul Manafort, the 12 Russian intelligence officers, the Internet Research Agency trolling operation and associated entities, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos.

"We also considered the draft statement of offense released by author Jerome Corsi, a memorandum released by House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Ranking Member Adam Schiff related to the Carter Page FISA applications and admissions directly from certain speakers.

"These materials buttress some of Steele’s reporting, both specifically and thematically.

"The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven."

Is that the pee on the bed memo or just what were the charges?

As far as I know, there's been no confirmation of Trump's "golden showers", but there are indications of a "conspiracy of cooperation" between Trump and Russian leadership over a period of years.

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

"But much of the reporting simply remains uncorroborated, at least by the yardstick we are using.

"Most significantly, the dossier reports a 'well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between [Trump and his associates] and the Russian leadership,” including an 'intelligence exchange [that] had been running between them for at least 8 years.'

"There has been significant investigative reporting about long-standing connections between Trump, his associates and Kremlin-affiliated individuals, and Trump himself acknowledged that the purpose of a June 2016 meeting between his son, Donald Trump Jr. and a Kremlin-connected lawyer was to obtain 'dirt' on Hillary Clinton."

Just knowing what we know in the public sphere about Trump/Russia, you'd have to be blind, deaf, dumb, or protecting Trump to tell yourself this was a witch hunt

Oh, did I forget to call Dan Stubbs to the office again?

Russians and others from the former Soviet Union found a useful idiot in Donald Trump long before 2016:

Trump–Russia dossier - Wikipedia

"Although the dossier alleged in June 2016 that the Kremlin had been cultivating Trump for 'at least five years', Luke Harding wrote that the Soviet Union had been interested in him since 1987.

"In his book Collusion, Harding asserts that the 'top level of the Soviet diplomatic service arranged his 1987 Moscow visit. With assistance from the KGB.'

"Then-KGB head Vladimir Kryuchkov "wanted KGB staff abroad to recruit more Americans.'

"Harding proceeds to describe the KGB's cultivation process, and posits that they may have opened a file on Trump as early as 1977, when he married Czech model Ivana Zelníčková; the Soviet spies may have closely observed and analyzed the couple from that time on."

Russia has been trying to beat us for a long time by studying our policies and behaviors. Once they had that figured out, all they needed was a stooge and some supporters to take control. They did a hell of a job. I give them credit for that.

 

[georgephillip]

Published in January of 2017, how much of information made public by Mueller's investigation has buttressed or diminished the essence of Steele's original reporting?

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

"The dossier is actually a series of reports—16 in all—that total 35 pages. Written in 2016, the dossier is a collection of raw intelligence. Steele neither evaluated nor synthesized the intelligence.

"He neither made nor rendered bottom-line judgments.

"The dossier is, quite simply and by design, raw reporting, not a finished intelligence product...."

"With that in mind, we thought it would be worthwhile to look back at the dossier and to assess, to the extent possible, how the substance of Steele’s reporting holds up over time.

"In this effort, we considered only information in the public domain from trustworthy and official government sources, including documents released by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office in connection with the criminal cases brought against Paul Manafort, the 12 Russian intelligence officers, the Internet Research Agency trolling operation and associated entities, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos.

"We also considered the draft statement of offense released by author Jerome Corsi, a memorandum released by House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Ranking Member Adam Schiff related to the Carter Page FISA applications and admissions directly from certain speakers.

"These materials buttress some of Steele’s reporting, both specifically and thematically.

"The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven."

Is that the pee on the bed memo or just what were the charges?

As far as I know, there's been no confirmation of Trump's "golden showers", but there are indications of a "conspiracy of cooperation" between Trump and Russian leadership over a period of years.

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

"But much of the reporting simply remains uncorroborated, at least by the yardstick we are using.

"Most significantly, the dossier reports a 'well-developed conspiracy of co-operation between [Trump and his associates] and the Russian leadership,” including an 'intelligence exchange [that] had been running between them for at least 8 years.'

"There has been significant investigative reporting about long-standing connections between Trump, his associates and Kremlin-affiliated individuals, and Trump himself acknowledged that the purpose of a June 2016 meeting between his son, Donald Trump Jr. and a Kremlin-connected lawyer was to obtain 'dirt' on Hillary Clinton."

Just knowing what we know in the public sphere about Trump/Russia, you'd have to be blind, deaf, dumb, or protecting Trump to tell yourself this was a witch hunt

Oh, did I forget to call Dan Stubbs to the office again?

Russians and others from the former Soviet Union found a useful idiot in Donald Trump long before 2016:

Trump–Russia dossier - Wikipedia

"Although the dossier alleged in June 2016 that the Kremlin had been cultivating Trump for 'at least five years', Luke Harding wrote that the Soviet Union had been interested in him since 1987.

"In his book Collusion, Harding asserts that the 'top level of the Soviet diplomatic service arranged his 1987 Moscow visit. With assistance from the KGB.'

"Then-KGB head Vladimir Kryuchkov "wanted KGB staff abroad to recruit more Americans.'

"Harding proceeds to describe the KGB's cultivation process, and posits that they may have opened a file on Trump as early as 1977, when he married Czech model Ivana Zelníčková; the Soviet spies may have closely observed and analyzed the couple from that time on."

Russia has been trying to beat us for a long time by studying our policies and behaviors. Once they had that figured out, all they needed was a stooge and some supporters to take control. They did a hell of a job. I give them credit for that.

The Russians definitely found an Alpha Stooge.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You guys have really lost it.

Agree ^^^.....and they lost it when America voted Donald Trump as President!

instead of their favorite witch ....Clinton.

Since then, they have not been able to have a moment of peace.




Thanks GOD for President Donald Trump!

Lol..

"But...but...but... Hillary!"

But but but...Hillary lost.

Yep, you are right. She lost an illegal election. Lol! And what arguments do you have to counter that it wasn't? You don't. That's the beauty of constantly reminding Trump Sheep that this election was a conspiracy on multiple fronts.

You want me to prove a negative? LOL. Typical Leftist.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You guys have really lost it.

Agree ^^^.....and they lost it when America voted Donald Trump as President!

instead of their favorite witch ....Clinton.

Since then, they have not been able to have a moment of peace.




Thanks GOD for President Donald Trump!

Lol..

"But...but...but... Hillary!"

But but but...Hillary lost.

Ooh! Double down!

That takes some guts. No brains though.

So you’re responding to someone who is brainless? OK...

 

[Crepitus]

You guys have really lost it.

Agree ^^^.....and they lost it when America voted Donald Trump as President!

instead of their favorite witch ....Clinton.

Since then, they have not been able to have a moment of peace.




Thanks GOD for President Donald Trump!

Lol..

"But...but...but... Hillary!"

But but but...Hillary lost.

Ooh! Double down!

That takes some guts. No brains though.

So you’re responding to someone who is brainless? OK...

I'm bored.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Agree ^^^.....and they lost it when America voted Donald Trump as President!

instead of their favorite witch ....Clinton.

Since then, they have not been able to have a moment of peace.




Thanks GOD for President Donald Trump!

Lol..

"But...but...but... Hillary!"

But but but...Hillary lost.

Ooh! Double down!

That takes some guts. No brains though.

So you’re responding to someone who is brainless? OK...

I'm bored.

LOL merry xmas

 

[Darkwind]

Published in January of 2017, how much of information made public by Mueller's investigation has buttressed or diminished the essence of Steele's original reporting?

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

"The dossier is actually a series of reports—16 in all—that total 35 pages. Written in 2016, the dossier is a collection of raw intelligence. Steele neither evaluated nor synthesized the intelligence.

"He neither made nor rendered bottom-line judgments.

"The dossier is, quite simply and by design, raw reporting, not a finished intelligence product...."

"With that in mind, we thought it would be worthwhile to look back at the dossier and to assess, to the extent possible, how the substance of Steele’s reporting holds up over time.

"In this effort, we considered only information in the public domain from trustworthy and official government sources, including documents released by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office in connection with the criminal cases brought against Paul Manafort, the 12 Russian intelligence officers, the Internet Research Agency trolling operation and associated entities, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos.

"We also considered the draft statement of offense released by author Jerome Corsi, a memorandum released by House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Ranking Member Adam Schiff related to the Carter Page FISA applications and admissions directly from certain speakers.

"These materials buttress some of Steele’s reporting, both specifically and thematically.

"The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven."

So, how often are you required to prove a negative?

It isn't for anyone to disprove that dossier of lies. It is for you to provide the proof of the allegations.

 

[georgephillip]

Published in January of 2017, how much of information made public by Mueller's investigation has buttressed or diminished the essence of Steele's original reporting?

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

"The dossier is actually a series of reports—16 in all—that total 35 pages. Written in 2016, the dossier is a collection of raw intelligence. Steele neither evaluated nor synthesized the intelligence.

"He neither made nor rendered bottom-line judgments.

"The dossier is, quite simply and by design, raw reporting, not a finished intelligence product...."

"With that in mind, we thought it would be worthwhile to look back at the dossier and to assess, to the extent possible, how the substance of Steele’s reporting holds up over time.

"In this effort, we considered only information in the public domain from trustworthy and official government sources, including documents released by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office in connection with the criminal cases brought against Paul Manafort, the 12 Russian intelligence officers, the Internet Research Agency trolling operation and associated entities, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos.

"We also considered the draft statement of offense released by author Jerome Corsi, a memorandum released by House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Ranking Member Adam Schiff related to the Carter Page FISA applications and admissions directly from certain speakers.

"These materials buttress some of Steele’s reporting, both specifically and thematically.

"The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven."

So, how often are you required to prove a negative?

It isn't for anyone to disprove that dossier of lies. It is for you to provide the proof of the allegations.

No one is asking you to "prove a negative."

Can you prove any positive allegations found in the Steele Dossier are lies; how about this one?

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

"To date, the communications that draw the clearest line between the Russian government, hacked documents and the Trump campaign are detailed not in court filings, but rather in emails between Donald Trump Jr. and Rob Goldstone, a British-born former tabloid reporter and entertainment publicist. Trump Jr. released this correspondence in July 2017. In those emails, Goldstone wrote:

"'The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with [Aras Agalarov, an Azerbaijani-Russian billionaire property-developer] this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.'

"'This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin [Agalarov].'"

Are you convinced Russia hacked the last US presidential election in order to benefit Trump?

Or is that another lie?

 

[depotoo]

Steele admitted that the charges in the garbage statement are unverified, another fancy term for false.

Then you should be able to point out any charge in the dossier that's been proven wrong, right?

Wrong! He can't do it. If he could, he would have already provided the quote. I read it. There is no quote of Comey debunking the Dossier. The good thing about that link, is that I've read it in the past, so I didn't need to read it again. This is the second idiot who tried to pull this lie out of his ass.

Mr. Comey: By explaining to him the reason that I was doing
it and explaining that it was unverified, that it wasn't something
that we were investigating, and then, once the conversation, in my
judgment, started to go off the rails, by then telling him we were
not investigating him personally.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I invite any USMB wingnut to show one item that has been proven false, from the Steele Dossier.

I invite any USMB Stalinist to show one item that has been PROVEN to be true.

If I accuse you of being an ax murderer, you don't need to prove my statement false, Comrade.

You sleazy traitors bought this document from various foreign intelligence services, including Russia. The burden of proof is 100% on you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I invite any USMB wingnut to show one item that has been proven false, from the Steele Dossier.

The two authors of this retrospective appear highly qualified. I don't have any idea of their personal politics or whether that would influence their judgments?

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

"Sarah Grant is a student at Harvard Law School and previously spent five years on active duty in the Marine Corps. She holds an MPhil in International Relations from the University of Cambridge and a BS in International Relations from the United States Naval Academy. The views expressed here are her own and do not reflect those of the Department of Defense, the Marine Corps, or any other agency of the United States Government."

"Chuck Rosenberg is a former U.S. attorney, senior FBI official and chief of the Drug Enforcement Administration."

Obviously, a pair of deep state trolls trying to bring down a duly elected POTUS who is at least as honest as the day is long?

Rosenberg is a Republican.

Neocon deep state Comrade.

You Stalinists STILL have not proven a single charge from your document that Queer Barry and the FBI used to corrupt the 2016 election.

 

[georgephillip]

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

"Another report in the dossier adds a layer: 'The Kremlin’s cultivation operation on Trump also had comprised offering him various lucrative real estate development business deals in Russia, especially in relation to the ongoing 2018 World Cup soccer tournament. However, so far, for reasons unknown, Trump had not taken up any of these.'

"That leads us to the material in the criminal information and sentencing memorandum for Michael Cohen—Trump’s former attorney—filed by the Special Counsel’s Office in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York.

"These documents relate to Cohen’s false statements to Congress regarding attempted Trump Organization business dealings in Russia.

"The details buttress Steele’s reporting to some extent, but mostly run parallel, neither corroborating nor disproving information in the dossier.

"They do, however, contradict the president’s many public statements on the matter."

 

[airplanemechanic]

A dossier that indicates Putin has compromising information on Trump

Seems more true today than two years ago

Then why not release the information while we were slamming Russia with more sanctions?

 

[DandyDonovan]

I invite any USMB wingnut to show one item that has been proven false, from the Steele Dossier.

You rape children.

Prove you are innocent.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I invite any USMB wingnut to show one item that has been proven false, from the Steele Dossier.

The FBI did not say that the Steel dossier was "Scurrilous and unverified, they said that the Steel Dossier was "Salacious and unverified"

"The IC leadership thought it important, for a variety of reasons, to alert the incoming President to the existence of explosive details of the summary that was given to Mr. Trump — unsubstantiated accounts of frolics with prostitutes, real estate deals that were intended as bribes and coordination with Russian intelligence of the hacking of Democrats — were reported first by CNN five days after the meeting, this material, even though it was salacious and unverified."

Reading Between the Lines of Comey’s Prepared Testimony

 

[DandyDonovan]

Has the OP yet proven that he isn't a child rapist?

 

[Claudette]

Published in January of 2017, how much of information made public by Mueller's investigation has buttressed or diminished the essence of Steele's original reporting?

The Steele Dossier: A Retrospective

"The dossier is actually a series of reports—16 in all—that total 35 pages. Written in 2016, the dossier is a collection of raw intelligence. Steele neither evaluated nor synthesized the intelligence.

"He neither made nor rendered bottom-line judgments.

"The dossier is, quite simply and by design, raw reporting, not a finished intelligence product...."

"With that in mind, we thought it would be worthwhile to look back at the dossier and to assess, to the extent possible, how the substance of Steele’s reporting holds up over time.

"In this effort, we considered only information in the public domain from trustworthy and official government sources, including documents released by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office in connection with the criminal cases brought against Paul Manafort, the 12 Russian intelligence officers, the Internet Research Agency trolling operation and associated entities, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos.

"We also considered the draft statement of offense released by author Jerome Corsi, a memorandum released by House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Ranking Member Adam Schiff related to the Carter Page FISA applications and admissions directly from certain speakers.

"These materials buttress some of Steele’s reporting, both specifically and thematically.

"The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven."

So, how often are you required to prove a negative?

It isn't for anyone to disprove that dossier of lies. It is for you to provide the proof of the allegations.

I agree. From what I've read most of it can't be proven and loads of it are allegations with no proof.

 

[airplanemechanic]

No one is asking you to "prove a negative."

Can you prove any positive allegations found in the Steele Dossier are lies; how about this one?

That's what proving a negative is, moron.

Telling someone "can you prove something is a lie" is "proving a negative." That's not the way it works. YOU have to prove they are true. Nobody is under any obligation to "prove a lie." In a court of law the prosecution is under obligation to prove the guilt of the defendant, the defendant is not under any obligation to "prove his innocence."

 

[DandyDonovan]

No one is asking you to "prove a negative."

Can you prove any positive allegations found in the Steele Dossier are lies; how about this one?

That's what proving a negative is, moron.

Telling someone "can you prove something is a lie" is "proving a negative." That's not the way it works. YOU have to prove they are true. Nobody is under any obligation to "prove a lie."

Sad how many mentally ill folk we have in this country. I mean my little children know that I think they did something I make sure they did it before they have to worry about an ass whipping. I don't line them and "okay now prove to Daddy that you didn't do this or you're getting a busting"