The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam

[editec]

it is just hard for some to give up their myths

It happened to me the last time about 2 months ago.

But sorry, I do not go around with cameras following me. And I doubt that most of us do, so why should it be recorded?

This is revisionist history at it's worst.

We have had numerous recruiting stations bombed over the years, yet until 2008 none had ever been caught on camera. Does that mean they did not happen either?

Now look at your own beliefs. How many things do you believe have no "photographic proof"? I bet tons of them.

Wow..people spit on your after Viet Nam and they spit on you 2 months ago, too?



I am nominating you for the

Stupidest liar on this board​

award.

 

[strollingbones]

mush never claimed to be a vietnam vet...he is debating the facts with someone else is all...

as far as revisionist history the ones claiming they were spit on ....well that is their revision of history....

 

[Mushroom]

For the same reason SOME VETS spend the rest of their lives identifying themselves by their former service experience (this board is loaded with those guys, isn't it?).

Because THEY'RE usually losers and FAKERS, too.

Back in those days the society was divided on the war and since the VN Vsets mostly were draftees and people who did not really want to be in the service, these LOSERS decided they could show how tough they were by putting down that new crop of vets.

Actually, only around 22% of those who served during Vietnam were draftees. That is far less then "mostly".

But your disdain and lack of facts are noted.

Vietnam War Statistics

 

[Mushroom]

it is just hard for some to give up their myths

It happened to me the last time about 2 months ago.

But sorry, I do not go around with cameras following me. And I doubt that most of us do, so why should it be recorded?

This is revisionist history at it's worst.

We have had numerous recruiting stations bombed over the years, yet until 2008 none had ever been caught on camera. Does that mean they did not happen either?

Now look at your own beliefs. How many things do you believe have no "photographic proof"? I bet tons of them.

Wow..people spit on your after Viet Nam and they spit on you 2 months ago, too?



I am nominating you for the

Stupidest liar on this board​

award.

I was not old enough to serve in Vietnam, only joining the military in 1983.

However, the arrogance of some to hurl abuse at those of us who serve continues, regardless of the conflict we served in.

And the claims that such never happens, it does.

And once again, your arrogance and disdain is noted.

 

[regent]

Historically the civilian attitude toward the military is an old one. Kipling wrote about it and others experienced it. When there is danger the military is highly esteemed, but in peace-time it can be a pain in the butt. In 1940 America began its first peacetime draft and military camps sprung up to train the new army. The soldiers were not seen as a Godsend but a threat to the town's way of life, I heard of signs that soon appeared in the windows of bars, "No Dogs or Soldiers." As the danger increased and the money rolled in, the signs came down.

 

[namvet]

The people who treated we returning VETS badly were not the HIPPIES but instead the WWII and KOREAN Vets.



Never met anyone who was spit on while in uniform.

does this include family members ??? my late dad and uncle served in ww2 and talked me into serving. ive had no such experience. so your a fuckin' idiot.

 

[Mushroom]

The people who treated we returning VETS badly were not the HIPPIES but instead the WWII and KOREAN Vets.

Never met anyone who was spit on while in uniform.

does this include family members ??? my late dad and uncle served in ww2 and talked me into serving. ive had no such experience. so your a fuckin' idiot.

"Oh no, it was not us, it was THEM!"

I love all these attempts at trying to deny something happened. "Oh, I never saw it!" "Oh, there are no photographs of it!"

Sheesh, give me a freaking break. I guess sexual harassment and molestation never happens, since it is almost never caught on videotape.

 

[rightwinger]

show me one of the corroborated instances .....go on....i will be waiting

This is the problem really. "Corroborated".

The biggest problem with that "Spitting Image" book is that it sets the bar so outrageously high that it is stupid. Unless it was captured on film or reported to the police, it never happened.

I have been spit at, had people chase me down the street yelling and swearing at me, and purposefully bumping into me. One happened in front of my wife at LAX as she was dropping me off for a flight.

But did I call the police on these loosers? Of course not, not worth the hassle.

Sorry, "Spitting Image" is a complete joke, and has largely been dismissed because of the ridiculous level of evidence that must be required, and tried to put the blame on veterans with PTSD.

Where are all the news stories? With hundreds of vets being spat upon, where was the outrage? Where were the stories about a fight at an airport because a vet was spat upon?

Where was the VFW and American Legion screaming about Vets being spat upon?

Another "coverup" from the liberal media?

 

[rightwinger]

The assertion that the spitting and other forms of disrespect and injury were somehow a myth is the attempt to revise history in this case. And it went much further than that. Jane Fonda's outright treason-as well as that others-is well documented. But we are supposed to believe that those hippie assholes would draw the line at spiting?
I was there. It happened. And it hurt. I was highly pissed at the government for many reasons not the least of which was the fact that it allowed such illegal and downright nasty activity by civilians.

Could you explain to us what happened? You were there and saw it

Where did it happen? What was said? How did the soldier react?

Why didn't you do anything about it?

 

[rightwinger]

The people who treated we returning VETS badly were not the HIPPIES but instead the WWII and KOREAN Vets.



Never met anyone who was spit on while in uniform.

I agree

I think it was the old guys in crew cuts at the VFW and American Legion who did not want these long haired, pot smokers around who had LOST a war

 

[Mr. H.]

Forrest Gump got called a baby killer to his face. And it was filmed.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The assertion that the spitting and other forms of disrespect and injury were somehow a myth is the attempt to revise history in this case. And it went much further than that. Jane Fonda's outright treason-as well as that others-is well documented. But we are supposed to believe that those hippie assholes would draw the line at spiting?
I was there. It happened. And it hurt. I was highly pissed at the government for many reasons not the least of which was the fact that it allowed such illegal and downright nasty activity by civilians.

Could you explain to us what happened? You were there and saw it

Where did it happen? What was said? How did the soldier react?

Why didn't you do anything about it?

9th has no ethical or moral need to answer any of your questions.

The facts are clear that it happened, and that you disagree remains immaterial.

 

[longknife]

Historically the civilian attitude toward the military is an old one. Kipling wrote about it and others experienced it. When there is danger the military is highly esteemed, but in peace-time it can be a pain in the butt. In 1940 America began its first peacetime draft and military camps sprung up to train the new army. The soldiers were not seen as a Godsend but a threat to the town's way of life, I heard of signs that soon appeared in the windows of bars, "No Dogs or Soldiers." As the danger increased and the money rolled in, the signs came down.

I forget exactly when, but wasn't there a period when veterans appeared somewhere to protest the government not paying them their pensions? The war was over and, as usual, the politicians and civilians so desperate for them to put their lives on the line to defend them turned their backs upon the veterans who had given their all.

Nothing new.

 

[rightwinger]

The assertion that the spitting and other forms of disrespect and injury were somehow a myth is the attempt to revise history in this case. And it went much further than that. Jane Fonda's outright treason-as well as that others-is well documented. But we are supposed to believe that those hippie assholes would draw the line at spiting?
I was there. It happened. And it hurt. I was highly pissed at the government for many reasons not the least of which was the fact that it allowed such illegal and downright nasty activity by civilians.

Could you explain to us what happened? You were there and saw it

Where did it happen? What was said? How did the soldier react?

Why didn't you do anything about it?

9th has no ethical or moral need to answer any of your questions.

The facts are clear that it happened, and that you disagree remains immaterial.

And that is the response I get every time I ask for details on a spitting. I don't want to talk about it or none of your business

I remember that time, I remember Vets coming home. They were not treated as heros but were mostly just ignored. I did not see VietNam Vets having drinks bought for them in a bar. I did see plenty of that with Iraq vets

But I did not hear any stories of vets being spat upon. If I did, I would have been outraged. I did hear stories about Hippies and antiwar protesters being spat at. Most people cheered at the idea

Our media at the time was not all liberal. There was a strong conservative media printing prowar material. Where are the stories?

 

[rightwinger]

Historically the civilian attitude toward the military is an old one. Kipling wrote about it and others experienced it. When there is danger the military is highly esteemed, but in peace-time it can be a pain in the butt. In 1940 America began its first peacetime draft and military camps sprung up to train the new army. The soldiers were not seen as a Godsend but a threat to the town's way of life, I heard of signs that soon appeared in the windows of bars, "No Dogs or Soldiers." As the danger increased and the money rolled in, the signs came down.

I forget exactly when, but wasn't there a period when veterans appeared somewhere to protest the government not paying them their pensions? The war was over and, as usual, the politicians and civilians so desperate for them to put their lives on the line to defend them turned their backs upon the veterans who had given their all.

Nothing new.

I think that was after WWI

 

[JakeStarkey]

"And that is the response I get every time I ask for details on a spitting."

The answers have been given over and over, here on the Board in the fall of 2009 and now, and on the internet. You don't want to hear it, and those of us who do know better don't want to hear of it from you.

Final comment by me.

 

[regent]

Historically the civilian attitude toward the military is an old one. Kipling wrote about it and others experienced it. When there is danger the military is highly esteemed, but in peace-time it can be a pain in the butt. In 1940 America began its first peacetime draft and military camps sprung up to train the new army. The soldiers were not seen as a Godsend but a threat to the town's way of life, I heard of signs that soon appeared in the windows of bars, "No Dogs or Soldiers." As the danger increased and the money rolled in, the signs came down.

I forget exactly when, but wasn't there a period when veterans appeared somewhere to protest the government not paying them their pensions? The war was over and, as usual, the politicians and civilians so desperate for them to put their lives on the line to defend them turned their backs upon the veterans who had given their all.

Nothing new.

The bonus army occurred during the Great Depression. The vets wanted their promised bonus early and gathered in DC in makeshift camps. MacArthur came in and shot one or two vets and dispersed the protest. But the vets stayed in their camps.
FDR was elected and he sent Eleanor down to talk with the vets and they made coffee and chatted and finally went home. Of course, MacArthur and others called the vets, communists.

 

[rightwinger]

"And that is the response I get every time I ask for details on a spitting."

The answers have been given over and over, here on the Board in the fall of 2009 and now, and on the internet. You don't want to hear it, and those of us who do know better don't want to hear of it from you.

Final comment by me.

I don't want to talk about it

 

[Mushroom]

Where are all the news stories? With hundreds of vets being spat upon, where was the outrage? Where were the stories about a fight at an airport because a vet was spat upon?

Where was the VFW and American Legion screaming about Vets being spat upon?

Another "coverup" from the liberal media?

Do you expect us to go running to law enforcement or the media every time something like this happens? "Oh mr reporter/police officer, this mean person called me a baby killer and spit at me!"

Yea, right. And I am supposed to hold them until such individuals show up? Does that not sound just a little unreasonable? At the most, the cop would simply tell them to move along and never do it again (because this is questionable if it is a crime in the first place), then I would face possible charges for illegal detainment or even kidnapping.

And I do not go around with media filming every move I make. Very few of us do, so why would the media be involved?

Sorry, I have better things to do with my life, thank you very much.

 

[rightwinger]

Where are all the news stories? With hundreds of vets being spat upon, where was the outrage? Where were the stories about a fight at an airport because a vet was spat upon?

Where was the VFW and American Legion screaming about Vets being spat upon?

Another "coverup" from the liberal media?

Do you expect us to go running to law enforcement or the media every time something like this happens? "Oh mr reporter/police officer, this mean person called me a baby killer and spit at me!"

Yea, right. And I am supposed to hold them until such individuals show up? Does that not sound just a little unreasonable? At the most, the cop would simply tell them to move along and never do it again (because this is questionable if it is a crime in the first place), then I would face possible charges for illegal detainment or even kidnapping.

And I do not go around with media filming every move I make. Very few of us do, so why would the media be involved?

Sorry, I have better things to do with my life, thank you very much.

We are talking about supposed hundreds of incidents. Nobody punched the ******* hippie in the face? Nobody saw it and was outraged enough to report it to the media? No outraged letters to the editor? No soldier told his parents what happened and parents went apeshit?

Where is a single media report from that time?

Why would vets meekly take being spat upon by a lowlife hippie?