The Solar Swindle

[bripat9643]

The AGW cult has been claiming for decades the Solar Energy is almost as economical as conventional sources of power. Don't believe a word of it. One thing you always have to remember about libturds is that they have no qualms about lying if they think it will advance their agenda:

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Solar electricity is growing, promoted, and most importantly, heavily subsidized. The promoters of solar electricity claim that it is close to being competitive with conventional sources of electricity. That is a fantasy.

Solar electricity is expensive and impractical. If it weren't for government subsidies, some explicit and some disguised, the solar industry would collapse. The many claims of competitiveness are always based on ignoring subsidies provided to politically correct renewable power, ignoring the costs associated with unreliability, and ignoring the cost of backup fossil fuel plants.

An example of a hidden subsidy is the California Renewable Portfolio Standard that mandates utilities to obtain 33% of their energy from so-called renewable sources by 2020. This mandate forces utilities to contract for expensive sources of energy, such as solar. The cost is passed on to the utility customers with the connivance of the government. Although the motivation behind the California scheme is to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, politically incorrect sources of CO2-free electricity, such as nuclear and large-scale hydroelectric, can't be counted as renewable.

People whose knowledge of electricity production ends at their wall outlet are dictating national energy policy. Magical thinking by hopelessly ignorant political activists permeates the alternative energy universe.

How much does electricity from conventional sources cost? If I look at my ComEd (Chicago) bill, the charge for electricity is about 5 cents per kilowatt-hour (KWH). Additional charges for delivering the electricity and various taxes increase the total to about 10 cents per KWH. This is electricity mainly from coal, nuclear, and natural gas. Electricity is available at the plant gate in much of the U.S. for about 5 cents per KWH.​

 

[Old Rocks]

The American Thinker? A far rightwing nutcase rag.

Solar Industry Data | SEIA

Solar Industry Data
Download the Q3 2013 SMI Factsheet
U.S. PV Market Installs 930 Megawatts in Q3 2013; Second Largest Quarter Ever
The third quarter of 2013 was the second largest on record for the U.S. solar industry. There were 930 MW of new photovoltaic capacity installed in Q3 2013, representing a 35 percent increase in deployment over the third quarter of 2012. The strong third quarter keeps the U.S. market on pace for another record year. SEIA and GTM Research forecast that an additional 1,780 MW of PV and 800 MW of concentrating solar (CSP) will be installed in the fourth quarter of 2013 alone, bringing the total for the year to over 5,000 MW of new solar electric capacity.

5 gw of new solar this year in the US alone.

 

[Old Rocks]

Continually declining solar photovoltaic (PV) prices will continue to power an international market surge, with annual installations doubling by 2020 en route to grid parity around the world.

This bright outlook shines through Navigant Research’s most recent “Solar PV Market Forecasts” and estimates solar PV will be cost-competitive with retail electricity prices without subsidies in nearly every electricity market by 2017.

Even though each international energy market presents different conditions for solar PV’s growth, Navigant expects overall solar energy costs to continue falling while overall installations and industry revenue keep climbing.


Read more at Global Solar PV Installations Will Double, Hit Grid Parity By 2020

35 gw installed worldwide this year.

 

[bripat9643]

The American Thinker? A far rightwing nutcase rag.

Solar Industry Data | SEIA

Solar Industry Data
Download the Q3 2013 SMI Factsheet
U.S. PV Market Installs 930 Megawatts in Q3 2013; Second Largest Quarter Ever
The third quarter of 2013 was the second largest on record for the U.S. solar industry. There were 930 MW of new photovoltaic capacity installed in Q3 2013, representing a 35 percent increase in deployment over the third quarter of 2012. The strong third quarter keeps the U.S. market on pace for another record year. SEIA and GTM Research forecast that an additional 1,780 MW of PV and 800 MW of concentrating solar (CSP) will be installed in the fourth quarter of 2013 alone, bringing the total for the year to over 5,000 MW of new solar electric capacity.

5 gw of new solar this year in the US alone.

Electricity consumers are getting fucked up the ass for every watt of solar installed.

That's the bottom line.

 

[g5000]

Name any energy resource that is not subsidized.

 

[bripat9643]

Continually declining solar photovoltaic (PV) prices will continue to power an international market surge, with annual installations doubling by 2020 en route to grid parity around the world.

This bright outlook shines through Navigant Research’s most recent “Solar PV Market Forecasts” and estimates solar PV will be cost-competitive with retail electricity prices without subsidies in nearly every electricity market by 2017.

Even though each international energy market presents different conditions for solar PV’s growth, Navigant expects overall solar energy costs to continue falling while overall installations and industry revenue keep climbing.


Read more at Global Solar PV Installations Will Double, Hit Grid Parity By 2020

35 gw installed worldwide this year.

How can the cost of solar be comparable to conventional energy sources if every watt of solar requires a watt of conventional energy to back it up?

 

[bripat9643]

Name any energy resource that is not subsidized.

Coal, Oil, Natural Gas.

 

[Old Rocks]

If you have a house or property where you can install a south facing group of panels, you can not only provide for all your own power in your home, you can also provide the fuel for your EV. Now that is a real step toward economic independence. Of course, that is something our 'Conservatives' do not want to see at all. They much prefer to give their money away to the 1%.

 

[g5000]

Name any energy resource that is not subsidized.

Coal, Oil, Natural Gas.

Thanks for showing us your ignorance.

 

[bripat9643]

If you have a house or property where you can install a south facing group of panels, you can not only provide for all your own power in your home, you can also provide the fuel for your EV. Now that is a real step toward economic independence. Of course, that is something our 'Conservatives' do not want to see at all. They much prefer to give their money away to the 1%.

A $35,000 solar installation produces enough electricity to power a hair dryer. How is anyone possibly going to charge their EV with such a source? And then what happens at night? Every watt of solar requires a watt of conventional backup. How can that possibly be as cheap as just relying on conventional?

 

[bripat9643]

Name any energy resource that is not subsidized.

Coal, Oil, Natural Gas.

Thanks for showing us your ignorance.

I showed everyone your ignorance. Claims about subsidies to fossil fuels are grossly exaggerated. Furthermore, they aren't in the slightest bit necessary. Solar, on the other hand, wouldn't exist without subsidies.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Coal, Oil, Natural Gas.

Thanks for showing us your ignorance.

I showed everyone your ignorance. Claims about subsidies to fossil fuels are grossly exaggerated. Furthermore, they aren't in the slightest bit necessary. Solar, on the other hand, wouldn't exist without subsidies.

Are the claims exaggerated or the claims outright false?

Because theres a difference and you're trying to move the goal posts. First you said they arent subsidized at all.

Now you say...

 

[Redfish]

Name any energy resource that is not subsidized.

Coal, Oil, Natural Gas.

Thanks for showing us your ignorance.

Tax exemptions and credits are not subsidies-----------you don't know what the word 'subsidy' means do you?

 

[Mustang]

The AGW cult has been claiming for decades the Solar Energy is almost as economical as conventional sources of power. Don't believe a word of it. One thing you always have to remember about libturds is that they have no qualms about lying if they think it will advance their agenda:

American Thinker- Print Article

Solar electricity is growing, promoted, and most importantly, heavily subsidized. The promoters of solar electricity claim that it is close to being competitive with conventional sources of electricity. That is a fantasy.

Solar electricity is expensive and impractical. If it weren't for government subsidies, some explicit and some disguised, the solar industry would collapse. The many claims of competitiveness are always based on ignoring subsidies provided to politically correct renewable power, ignoring the costs associated with unreliability, and ignoring the cost of backup fossil fuel plants.

An example of a hidden subsidy is the California Renewable Portfolio Standard that mandates utilities to obtain 33% of their energy from so-called renewable sources by 2020. This mandate forces utilities to contract for expensive sources of energy, such as solar. The cost is passed on to the utility customers with the connivance of the government. Although the motivation behind the California scheme is to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, politically incorrect sources of CO2-free electricity, such as nuclear and large-scale hydroelectric, can't be counted as renewable.

People whose knowledge of electricity production ends at their wall outlet are dictating national energy policy. Magical thinking by hopelessly ignorant political activists permeates the alternative energy universe.

How much does electricity from conventional sources cost? If I look at my ComEd (Chicago) bill, the charge for electricity is about 5 cents per kilowatt-hour (KWH). Additional charges for delivering the electricity and various taxes increase the total to about 10 cents per KWH. This is electricity mainly from coal, nuclear, and natural gas. Electricity is available at the plant gate in much of the U.S. for about 5 cents per KWH.​

The problem conservatives have with solar energy is that it can't be controlled and exploited like other conventional sources of energy that come from mines, and oil wells etc. And why would that be? Because nobody owns the sun.

Consequently, any source of energy that's potentially a rival to the owners of conventional sources of energy who are accustomed to profiting off the exploitation of natural resources, they can expect a dirty fight to keep their energy source as expensive and as unavailable as possible.

Meanwhile, let's pony up some more tax breaks for Exxon-Mobile.

 

[Redfish]

Thanks for showing us your ignorance.

I showed everyone your ignorance. Claims about subsidies to fossil fuels are grossly exaggerated. Furthermore, they aren't in the slightest bit necessary. Solar, on the other hand, wouldn't exist without subsidies.

Are the claims exaggerated or the claims outright false?

Because theres a difference and you're trying to move the goal posts. First you said they arent subsidized at all.

Now you say...

Oil is the most heavily taxed commodity in the world.

 

[Redfish]

The AGW cult has been claiming for decades the Solar Energy is almost as economical as conventional sources of power. Don't believe a word of it. One thing you always have to remember about libturds is that they have no qualms about lying if they think it will advance their agenda:

American Thinker- Print Article

Solar electricity is growing, promoted, and most importantly, heavily subsidized. The promoters of solar electricity claim that it is close to being competitive with conventional sources of electricity. That is a fantasy.

Solar electricity is expensive and impractical. If it weren't for government subsidies, some explicit and some disguised, the solar industry would collapse. The many claims of competitiveness are always based on ignoring subsidies provided to politically correct renewable power, ignoring the costs associated with unreliability, and ignoring the cost of backup fossil fuel plants.

An example of a hidden subsidy is the California Renewable Portfolio Standard that mandates utilities to obtain 33% of their energy from so-called renewable sources by 2020. This mandate forces utilities to contract for expensive sources of energy, such as solar. The cost is passed on to the utility customers with the connivance of the government. Although the motivation behind the California scheme is to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, politically incorrect sources of CO2-free electricity, such as nuclear and large-scale hydroelectric, can't be counted as renewable.

People whose knowledge of electricity production ends at their wall outlet are dictating national energy policy. Magical thinking by hopelessly ignorant political activists permeates the alternative energy universe.

How much does electricity from conventional sources cost? If I look at my ComEd (Chicago) bill, the charge for electricity is about 5 cents per kilowatt-hour (KWH). Additional charges for delivering the electricity and various taxes increase the total to about 10 cents per KWH. This is electricity mainly from coal, nuclear, and natural gas. Electricity is available at the plant gate in much of the U.S. for about 5 cents per KWH.​

The problem conservatives have with solar energy is that it can't be controlled and exploited like other conventional sources of energy that come from mines, and oil wells etc. And why would that be? Because nobody owns the sun.

Consequently, any source of energy that's potentially a rival to the owners of conventional sources of energy who are accustomed to profiting off the exploitation of natural resources, they can expect a dirty fight to keep their energy source as expensive and as unavailable as possible.

Meanwhile, let's pony up some more tax breaks for Exxon-Mobile.

Not at all, we should be using solar, but it should be fiscally viable on its own.

BTW, solar only works when the sun is out----------let us know how you make on the first night flight on a solar airplane.

 

[Old Rocks]

Name any energy resource that is not subsidized.

Coal, Oil, Natural Gas.

Well, Pattycake, you are either a liar, or totally ignorant.

Renewable energy subsidies prop up an otherwise economically-unviable industry. We should ?level the playing field? by removing clean energy handouts and let renewables compete with fossil fuels. | Energy Fact Check

The oil, coal, gas and nuclear industries have received approximately $630 billion in United States government subsidies, while wind, solar, biofuels and other renewable sectors have received a total of roughly $50 billion in government investments in cumulative dollar amounts, over the lifetimes of their respective subsidies. (Source: DBL Investors, http://bit.ly/uV14lf)
On a pre-tax basis, subsidies for fossil fuels reached $480 billion in 2011. On a post-tax basis—which also factors in the negative externalities from energy consumption—subsidies are much higher at $1.9 trillion globally in 2011. (Source: International Monetary Fund, http://bit.ly/11MVcO0)
One proposal from the Brookings Institute to “eliminate 12 subsidies to help level the playing field among fossil fuel producers relative to other businesses” estimates deficit-reduction savings of $41 billion over 10 years. They go on to report that, “the U.S. government effectively transfers by way of tax expenditures more than $4 billion annually from taxpayers to fossil fuel producers (primarily oil and gas firms) with very little to show for it.” (Source: Brookings Institute, Eliminating Fossil Fuel Subsidies | Brookings Institution)

 

[g5000]

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/SY/SY20/20130313/100476/HHRG-113-SY20-Wstate-HutzlerM-20130313.pdf

The federal government has provided various forms of financial support for the development and production of fuels and energy technologies over the past several decades and that support is growing. The Energy Information Administration (EIA), an independent agency of the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), evaluated the amount of subsidies that the federal government provides energy producers with its most recent information for fiscal year 2010. Over a 3*‐year period, from fiscal year 2007 through fiscal year 2010, total federal energy subsidies increased from $17.9 billion to $37.2 billion, an increase of 108 percent over the 3*‐year period. The largest increases in federal energy subsidies were in renewable and end‐use subsidies. Over the 3‐year period:

Renewable energy subsidies increased by 186 percent from $5.1 billion to $14.7 billion.
• Wind led the various renewables with a more than 10-fold increase in subsidy from $476 million to $4,986 million.
• Solar subsidies increased by more than a factor of 6 from $179 million to $1134 million.
• Subsidies for biofuels increased by 66 percent, from $4 billion to $6.6 billion.
• Conservation and end-use subsidies more than tripled from $4 billion to $14.8 billion. Conservation subsidies increased from $369 million to $6,597 million, a factor of almost 18. End-use subsidies increased from $3,618 million to $8,241 million, more than a doubling.

In contrast,
• Federal subsidies for coal increased 44 percent from $943 million to $1,358 million.
• Federal subsidies for oil and natural gas increased 40 percent from $2,010 million to $2,820 million.
• Federal subsidies for nuclear energy increased 46 percent from $1,714 million to $2,499 million.

Solar got $1.113 billion in subsidies. Coil, oil, and natural gas received $4.178 billion in subsidies during the same period.

Wind power was the biggest winner.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I showed everyone your ignorance. Claims about subsidies to fossil fuels are grossly exaggerated. Furthermore, they aren't in the slightest bit necessary. Solar, on the other hand, wouldn't exist without subsidies.

Are the claims exaggerated or the claims outright false?

Because theres a difference and you're trying to move the goal posts. First you said they arent subsidized at all.

Now you say...

Oil is the most heavily taxed commodity in the world.

Not the subject at all but thx

 

[g5000]

BTW, solar only works when the sun is out----------let us know how you make on the first night flight on a solar airplane.

Solar cells charge batteries which can operate in the dark. Thanks for playing.