The Sheffield almost proves Moskav wasnt sunk by Ukraine

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm American.

Sure you are.

 

[Cassandro]

Again, please explain to me,

1. Who sunk the ship then?

2. With what?

3. Why?

Why don't you answer these question?

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Why don't you answer these question?

Ukraine sunk the ship.

With a Missile.

Because it needed sinking.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Tell Nazi Germany they get a consolation prize. Their best German engineering was beat by "Russian design, Russian construction, Russian crews."

You're a know-nothing ******* moron.

Oh and the Sheffield was sunk by a single missile above the water line lol. Guess that makes the UK a bag of shit too? And the US, since the DGs are the same hull designs as Arleigh Burke.

It was? How many T-34s were killed during the war? The number I've found is 44,900 That's nearly as many (46,274) as the total German tank production of the entire war. The Soviets lost 86,000 tanks during the war. Thats not counting the 13,000 self-propelled guns and tank destroyers and 37,600 armored cars and other armored vehicles. The grand total works out to about 104,000 SOVIET BUILT vehicles killed by the Germans, that's not counting the tens of thousands of American and British built AFVs killed by the Germans on the Russian Front.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Tell Nazi Germany they get a consolation prize. Their best German engineering was beat by "Russian design, Russian construction, Russian crews."

You're a know-nothing ******* moron.

Oh and the Sheffield was sunk by a single missile above the water line lol. Guess that makes the UK a bag of shit too? And the US, since the DGs are the same hull designs as Arleigh Burke.

What is a "DG"?

Sheffield was lost due to poor damage control and because the missile destroyed the fire-fighting mains. She burned out just like Akagi did in WWII from uncontrolled fires.

 

[DarthTrader]

What is a "DG"?

Sheffield was lost due to poor damage control and because the missile destroyed the fire-fighting mains. She burned out just like Akagi did in WWII from uncontrolled fires.

You can't say poor damage control AND hit the fire fighting mains. How do you blame the damage control for their lack of facilities?

 

[AZrailwhale]

You can't say poor damage control AND hit the fire fighting mains. How do you blame the damage control for their lack of facilities?

Because GOOD damage control would have repaired the mains, and then put out the fires.
Look at the USS Franklin for an example. Her firefighting mains were destroyed, but good damage control still saved her.

 

[DarthTrader]

Because GOOD damage control would have repaired the mains, and then put out the fires.

Repaired the mains that are on fire and mangled metal? Good God dude. You armchair warriors need to go away.

Lol just fight it with a bucket brigade scooping water from the sea lol

 

[Leo123]

Ukraine sunk the ship.

With a Missile.

Because it needed sinking.

It was actually sunk by two Neptunes each with a 350lb explosive charge, anti-ship cruise missiles.

 

[DarthTrader]

It was actually sunk by two Neptunes each with a 350lb explosive charge, anti-ship cruise missiles.
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Do you realize how LITTLE damage those would do against a 12,000 tonned ship?

The 4 missile Neptune (Harpoon) system is designed to take down a 4,000 tonned ship. If all 4 hit.

For **** sake Destroyers were taking 1 or 2 torpedo hits in ww2 and the explosive charges for torpedoes at the time (Torpex) is much more powerful than the HBX in a surface missle.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Do you realize how LITTLE damage those would do against a 12,000 tonned ship?

Not very much.....to a well designed ship.

To a Russian ship with a poorly trained crew........different story.

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Do you realize how LITTLE damage those would do against a 12,000 tonned ship?

The 4 missile Neptune (Harpoon) system is designed to take down a 4,000 tonned ship. If all 4 hit.

For **** sake Destroyers were taking 1 or 2 torpedo hits in ww2 and the explosive charges for torpedoes at the time (Torpex) is much more powerful than the HBX in a surface missle.

None of this matters if it hits in just the right spot.

 

[DarthTrader]

None of this matters if it hits in just the right spot.

An engine room isn't the right spot for the level of damage needed to sink a 12,000 ton ship. The fire buckling welds possibly. But....unlkely.

Its possible the ship listed as max as it would have and then the fire detonated some ordnance after the video was taken.

 

[Confederate Soldier]

An engine room isn't the right spot for the level of damage needed to sink a 12,000 ton ship. The fire buckling welds possibly. But....unlkely.

Its possible the ship listed as max as it would have and then the fire detonated some ordnance after the video was taken.

Unfortunately the video doesn't say much or provide much detail. I still stand by my believe that post penetration damage was catastrophic. But logic tells me that Russia wouldn't sink their own ship, either purposefully or accidentally.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Russia got s little help from American weapons, the Russian winter, and adolph hitler

...and Alan Turing cracking the Enigma code. That gave Stalin all the Intel he need for the battles of Stalingrad, Kursk and Bagration

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lastly in my urgent call to keep an open mind about Moskva sinking. The Sheffield is an unarmored destroyer that was 1/3rd as heavy as Moskva (which was heavily armored).

The Sheffield took 6 days to sink in the rough seas of the Atlantic.

The Moskva sank in less than. A day in relatively calm waters.

The exocet warhead is about 80% as massive as the Harpoon which the Neptune is supposedly derived from.

How does a 3x heavier ship with actual armor (structural support) sink so quickly from a missile that hit a much weaker ship and took 6 days to sink?

I didn't realize the Ukrainian submarines had these weapons.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Repaired the mains that are on fire and mangled metal? Good God dude. You armchair warriors need to go away.

Lol just fight it with a bucket brigade scooping water from the sea lol

DC crews are trained to do just that. Or if the damage is too severe, rig a bypass for the damaged section. Even if the mains are damaged, they still have extinguishers and can use dewatering pumps to pull firefighting water from the bilges. Other ships can also fight fires. See the Franklin and Princeton for examples of that.

 

[AZrailwhale]

An engine room isn't the right spot for the level of damage needed to sink a 12,000 ton ship. The fire buckling welds possibly. But....unlkely.

Its possible the ship listed as max as it would have and then the fire detonated some ordnance after the video was taken.

It also depends on the effectiveness of her watertight integrity, she wasn’t a new ship and Russia hasn’t exactly been taking care of its Navy in recent decades. Both Lexington and Saratoga had watertight integrity problems after battle damage and both were well maintained by professional sailors, not short term draftees.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Lastly in my urgent call to keep an open mind about Moskva sinking. The Sheffield is an unarmored destroyer that was 1/3rd as heavy as Moskva (which was heavily armored).

The Sheffield took 6 days to sink in the rough seas of the Atlantic.

The Moskva sank in less than. A day in relatively calm waters.

The exocet warhead is about 80% as massive as the Harpoon which the Neptune is supposedly derived from.

How does a 3x heavier ship with actual armor (structural support) sink so quickly from a missile that hit a much weaker ship and took 6 days to sink?

So you're saying that if I eat an apple and you eat an apple we'll both have the same experience?

That all ships sink in the same way, same speed, same everything?

 

[Mushroom]

How does a 3x heavier ship with actual armor (structural support) sink so quickly from a missile that hit a much weaker ship and took 6 days to sink?

You can start with what they were hit with.

The HMS Sheffield was hit by a single Exocet missile. At Mach .9 with a missile mass of 780 kg and a warhead of 155kg. But the warhead failed to detonate, so the only damage was from the impact.

Moskva was hit by two Neptune missiles. That is two missiles, also at Mach .9, but 870 kg mass and 150 kg warhead. And from all reports, both warheads detonated.

In other words, one had a hole punched in the side. The other had 2 holes punched in the side, followed by explosions.