What's new
US Message Board 🦅 Political Discussion Forum

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

The Second Amendment is Part of the Constitution.

surada

Platinum Member
Joined
Jan 3, 2021
Messages
21,531
Reaction score
10,597
Points
1,108
Trump has ranted on the subject several times. Sometimes he says 2nd Amendment.. sometimes he says Article 2.


Two quotes, a month apart, neatly capture the essence of Donald Trump's presidency:

"No, I don't take responsibility at all." — March 13

"When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total. And that's the way it's got to be. It's total." — April 13

There is something quintessentially Trumpian about the claim of total authority and zero responsibility. He alone can save us, he insists, but don't blame him if he doesn't.

There is something quintessentially Trumpian about the claim of total authority and zero responsibility. He alone can save us, he insists, but don’t blame him if he doesn’t.

So it was perhaps not surprising that the day after he claimed "total authority" over the decisions of state governments, he backed off. Instead, he said Tuesday night, he was "authorizing" the states to make their own decisions about reopening amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Of course, the states didn't need his authorization, but the appearance of Trump as the man in charge but not responsible had to be maintained.
 

frigidweirdo

Platinum Member
Joined
Mar 7, 2014
Messages
35,086
Reaction score
4,310
Points
1,130
You demonstrate your political and constitutional ignorance. We are not a democracy; we have a representative republican form of government - often times referred to as a constitutional republic. The only electoral voice intended by the Founders was in electing representatives to the lower house of Congress. National Socialists led a successful push to change the Constitution turning us into a national government instead of a federal government by passing the 17th Amendment and adding people's vote to the Senate.

But, even still, the people have little voice in electing the President but, instead, the Electoral College elects the President.

If we were a democracy, as you wish, then any time 50% +1 voter wanted to change our government, they could. For instance, 50% + 1 could return us to slavery of black and brown people. Or 50% + 1 voter could reverse that and permit slavery of white people. 50% + 1 voter could vote out the 1st Amendment and end free speech.

I'm a conservative and I DO hate democracy. Socialists and communists, on the other hand, love it because it allows them to trick a bunch of uneducated, illiterate, ignorant, people into voting for government handouts and, eventually, destroying our republic.

My word. It's like you understood nothing of what I wrote, but anyway.

You hate Democracy because it allows people to be manipulated. What system them doesn't allow the uneducated and the lazy to not be manipulated?
 

surada

Platinum Member
Joined
Jan 3, 2021
Messages
21,531
Reaction score
10,597
Points
1,108
I've been to Europe many times but I wouldn't go today; it's a hellhole.

Please provide a quote where Trump said the 2nd Amendment gave him any power, let alone unlimited power, as president. Or admit you're just making it up as you go along.

While bemoaning Mueller probe, Trump falsely says the Constitution gives him ‘the right to do whatever I want’ On more than one occasion, President Trump has falsely claimed Article II of the Constitution
 

woodwork201

Platinum Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2021
Messages
1,281
Reaction score
845
Points
908

Trump claimed Article 2 of the Constitution gives him the right to do 'whatever I want as president,' but that's not true.

President Donald Trump on Tuesday inaccurately suggested the Constitution gives him the power to do "whatever" he wants as president.
While criticizing the former special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian election interference, Trump said, "Then I have an Article 2, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president."
From a broad standpoint, it's inaccurate to say the president has authority to do "whatever" he wants. The Constitution outlines three separate but equal branches of government, which in turn provide for a system of checks and balances.
Trump on more than one occasion contended he had the authority under the Constitution to fire Mueller, an assertion that has been fiercely contested by Democrats and numerous legal experts.
You said Trump said that the 2nd Amendment gave him power. What's this crap about Article 2? Are you really that ignorant about the Constitution that you don't know the difference between the two?
 

surada

Platinum Member
Joined
Jan 3, 2021
Messages
21,531
Reaction score
10,597
Points
1,108
You said Trump said that the 2nd Amendment gave him power. What's this crap about Article 2? Are you really that ignorant about the Constitution that you don't know the difference between the two?

Trump doesn't .. He has blabbered about both for months. There was a problem when he wanted to deploy active duty military last summer.. and he claimed he had the power to do that... "unlimited" powers" as president.
 

woodwork201

Platinum Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2021
Messages
1,281
Reaction score
845
Points
908
My word. It's like you understood nothing of what I wrote, but anyway.

You hate Democracy because it allows people to be manipulated. What system them doesn't allow the uneducated and the lazy to not be manipulated?
Please enroll in a reading comprehension course. I didn't say I hate democracy because it allows people to be manipulated.

I'm a conservative and I DO hate democracy. Socialists and communists, on the other hand, love it because it allows them to trick a bunch of uneducated, illiterate, ignorant, people into voting for government handouts and, eventually, destroying our republic.

The reason we're even having a discussion about the 2nd Amendment is because people like you cannot read a sentence and understand it.

As you can see above, I said that socialists and communists, and I meant including you, love democracy because it allows you to force your will on the minority. Our constitutional, representative, republic denies you that ability - or at least it would if there were even a single branch of government willing to be bound by the constitution that created that government.

Right now, not a single branch feels compelled to follow the Constitution so it's moot. Now we don't even need a democracy to force socialism on the minority because the Executive and the Courts are forcing their will on us and the Legislative Branch encourages them to do it.
 

C_Clayton_Jones

Diamond Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2011
Messages
63,212
Reaction score
21,077
Points
2,250
Location
In a Republic, actually
Trump claimed Article 2 of the Constitution gives him the right to do 'whatever I want as president,' but that's not true.
Trump got that idiocy from Bill Barr and others on the right who support the imperial presidency.
 

Colin norris

Platinum Member
Joined
Apr 25, 2021
Messages
5,948
Reaction score
2,355
Points
893
This is why the left wants unarmed responders to domestic violence calls; the left hates women, as they prove each and every day - especially women of color.

I think they should make every person have an armoury so big it should be on a trolley everywhere the go.

It won't be long before KFC will be involved in the sales pitch.
" if you buy 2 big Macs well give you a gun for free".
Sound outrageous? Anything is possible with the gun nuts.
 

woodwork201

Platinum Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2021
Messages
1,281
Reaction score
845
Points
908

Trump claimed Article 2 of the Constitution gives him the right to do 'whatever I want as president,' but that's not true.

President Donald Trump on Tuesday inaccurately suggested the Constitution gives him the power to do "whatever" he wants as president.
While criticizing the former special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian election interference, Trump said, "Then I have an Article 2, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president."
From a broad standpoint, it's inaccurate to say the president has authority to do "whatever" he wants. The Constitution outlines three separate but equal branches of government, which in turn provide for a system of checks and balances.
Trump on more than one occasion contended he had the authority under the Constitution to fire Mueller, an assertion that has been fiercely contested by Democrats and numerous legal experts.

That's completely idiotic. As President, Trump could fire anyone in government not in the Judicial or Legislative branches. It doesn't matter what Democrats say or what their talking heads say on CNN or MSDNC. If Trump didn't have the authority to fire Mueller, then who did? Are you suggesting Mueller was King and could never be fired had he chosen to stay on forever?
 

surada

Platinum Member
Joined
Jan 3, 2021
Messages
21,531
Reaction score
10,597
Points
1,108
Trump got that idiocy from Bill Barr and others on the right who support the imperial presidency.

Trump would get on TV and rant and rave. I know he's dangerous in his ignorance, but I couldn't help laughing.
 

woodwork201

Platinum Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2021
Messages
1,281
Reaction score
845
Points
908
Trump doesn't .. He has blabbered about both for months. There was a problem when he wanted to deploy active duty military last summer.. and he claimed he had the power to do that... "unlimited" powers" as president.

Show the quote or drop it. He didn't say the 2nd Amendment gave him the authority to do anything he wants. You're really ignorant; do you know that?
 

woodwork201

Platinum Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2021
Messages
1,281
Reaction score
845
Points
908
It won't be long before KFC will be involved in the sales pitch.
" if you buy 2 big Macs well give you a gun for free".
Sound outrageous? Anything is possible with the gun nuts.
I certainly hope you're right.
 

frigidweirdo

Platinum Member
Joined
Mar 7, 2014
Messages
35,086
Reaction score
4,310
Points
1,130
Please enroll in a reading comprehension course. I didn't say I hate democracy because it allows people to be manipulated.

"I'm a conservative and I DO hate democracy. Socialists and communists, on the other hand, love it because it allows them to trick a bunch of uneducated, illiterate, ignorant, people into voting for government handouts and, eventually, destroying our republic."

You said that "Socialists and communists" love democracy because they can manipulate people.

So what the fuck were you trying to say exactly? That cars grow on trees?

I don't think any reading course is going to help me with this nonsense.
 

woodwork201

Platinum Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2021
Messages
1,281
Reaction score
845
Points
908
"I'm a conservative and I DO hate democracy. Socialists and communists, on the other hand, love it because it allows them to trick a bunch of uneducated, illiterate, ignorant, people into voting for government handouts and, eventually, destroying our republic."

You said that "Socialists and communists" love democracy because they can manipulate people.

So what the fuck were you trying to say exactly? That cars grow on trees?

I don't think any reading course is going to help me with this nonsense.

No, I don't think a reading comprehension course would help you. I said that they love democracy because it allows them to trick people INTO voting for a specific thing: government handouts and, eventually, destroying our republic.

You fail reading comprehension and no amount of education will ever fix that if you simply do not have the mental capacity to understand what you read.
 

frigidweirdo

Platinum Member
Joined
Mar 7, 2014
Messages
35,086
Reaction score
4,310
Points
1,130
No, I don't think a reading comprehension course would help you. I said that they love democracy because it allows them to trick people INTO voting for a specific thing: government handouts and, eventually, destroying our republic.

You fail reading comprehension and no amount of education will ever fix that if you simply do not have the mental capacity to understand what you read.

Ah, insults.

Bye.
 

Flash

Diamond Member
Joined
Dec 8, 2014
Messages
46,798
Reaction score
29,051
Points
2,645
Location
Florida
It begins well before this training, it begins in the home; so does racism and misogyny.


Did you get indoctrinated with you Moon Batism at home or did you develop it on your own?

I bet your pearents are ashemed as hell of their idiot Libtard son. If not they should be.
 

Rye Catcher

Platinum Member
Joined
Nov 21, 2019
Messages
8,157
Reaction score
4,765
Points
940
Did you get indoctrinated with you Moon Batism at home or did you develop it on your own?

I bet your pearents are ashemed as hell of their idiot Libtard son. If not they should be.
Fuck you. Sense you can't spell parents or ashamed why would anyone take you seriously.
 

Flash

Diamond Member
Joined
Dec 8, 2014
Messages
46,798
Reaction score
29,051
Points
2,645
Location
Florida
Fuck you. Sense you can't spell parents or ashamed why would anyone take you seriously.


Is a typo all you got Moon Bat? Grow the fuck up Moon Bat.

You didn't answer my question Moon Bat.

Did you become a stupid uneducated Moon Bat on your own or did your parents teach you to be a stupid uneducated Moon Bat?

Which one?
 

TNHarley

Diamond Member
Joined
Sep 27, 2012
Messages
76,527
Reaction score
26,775
Points
2,250
Democracy isn't liberty. Democracy is mob rule.

Liberty is being able to make my own choices in my life and for my life. Liberty is being able to defend my rights and having the tools to do it. Liberty is the ability to speak truth to power, to argue against the government, to debate ideas openly and honestly. Liberty is where scientific ideas as well as political ideas can be spoken and debated without consequence for simply disagreeing with the powers that be.

Liberty is being able to raise my children and teach them my beliefs - even if my beliefs differ from yours. Liberty is when the government doesn't create their own approved belief system and use my own tax dollars to override the beliefs I choose to teach my children.

Liberty is when the government does not try to tell me that I am evil because of the color of my skin and that I must bow down in the street and worship someone who I have never harmed or even met.

Liberty is having the opportunity to build and control my own future, by my own efforts and labor, and rise above the condition of my birth and accomplish anything I wish without government working against me because of the color of my skin.

Ok.... You're right. Not much liberty around here these days. There's no liberty in those other countries either but their subjects are so stupid that they think they're free because the government allows them some privileges.
Wonderful post!
<High five>
 

TNHarley

Diamond Member
Joined
Sep 27, 2012
Messages
76,527
Reaction score
26,775
Points
2,250

USMB Server Goals

Total amount
$20.00
Goal
$350.00

Most reactions - Past 7 days

Forum List

Top