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How The Bundy Standoff Could Screw Over Ranchers

Local residents are tired of the ongoing game of tug-of-war over the land now referred to as the Harney Basin. This latest dispute has rekindled the tensions over land use that have marked the region ever since cattle barons first settled on Paiute Indian soil in the mid-1800s.

Just a few years ago, however, stakeholders including ranchers, environmentalists, and federal agents unveiled an agreed-upon conservation plan for the wildlife refuge sitting in the heart of the basin. It had taken three years to negotiate, but the result — which took into consideration ranchers’ livelihoods, ecological concerns, and local economic sustainability — became a beacon of hope in the region, as well as in other rural communities wrought with similar conflict.

Now, Ammon Bundy’s headline-grabbing occupation is imperiling that accord.

A Short History of Deep-Seated Conflict
The Great Basin is a high-desert region of 200,000 square miles between the Sierra Nevadas in California and the greater Rocky Mountains in Utah, running from southern Oregon all the way to northern Baja, Mexico. Water is fickle and scarce in this area of the country, rendering the landscape fragile and throwing communal usage and management issues into far starker relief than most westerners face. That makes the type of collaboration that the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership’s (TRCP) Joel Webster tries to engineer between naturalists and businessmen much harder.

“It’s the driest place in North America, or one of them. It’s an ecosystem on edge. There’s not a lot of grass to share like there is in north-central Montana, where the grass grows up to your thighs,” Webster, who runs the Partnership’s Center for Western Lands in Missoula, said in an interview. “So you’ve got all the different stakeholder groups, and the pie is a lot smaller. That’s where some of this conflict comes from.”

This is why Bundy and the whack-a-loons are targeting the area, because a cooperative agreement is being hammered out between all parties. That is against the ideology of the lunatics like the Bundys that state that all government is evil, and that they should be given a free ride on the land owned by all the citizens of the US. So they are doing their best to destroy that agreement.
 
That's a conspiracy theory
of course you would come to that conclusion, because you don't realize the feds use back door agencies like the EPA to do their bidding.
no, i come to that conclusion because there is no rational reason to believe or evidence to support the idea that anyone wants the hammonds' land
Here Are Five Reasons You Should Side With The Hammond Family

this is just one article of many if you just google it.
That's so sad that you believe that's a good article.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/ore...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04...

http://www.oregongeology.org/s...

http://www.oregonlive.com/paci...
I'm sure you think that matter somehow
 
Dueling protests decry, support Ore. refuge occupation | KGW.com

BURNS, Ore. -- Dueling protests faced off at courthouse in Burns on Monday. Anti-government protesters were outnumbered by a locally organized group of approximately 300 people who showed support for law enforcement and told outsiders to go home.

Hundreds of people yelled "Stay here FBI" and waved signs with slogans like "God bless your passion, but please take it elsewhere - Bye bye!" and "Your voice is not my voice."

There is a video of the protests in that report. The vast majority of the good people of Burns, Oregon want those fucked up fruitloops to stay out of their town. The militia is definatetly not welcome. Note all the signs pro FBI. And the support for Sheriff Ward.

The primary reason that the Bundy felons chose Burns for their insane actions is that the ranchers and BLM in that area have worked out agreements that please both parties. And are actively working on other issues with the intent of achieving mutually satisfactory agreements. That is contrary to the message of division and sedition that Bundy and the militia's preach. And they hoped to end it.

Instead, the net result is a lot of them are going to be occupying a Federal Installation for a long time. They probably will be given snacks, but will have to give up their dildos. And one particularly far out fellow got himself shot trying to shoot an Oregon Trooper. No loss.
trying to get the hammonds off land the blm wants, is not a mutual agreement.
Ah, this is new...BLM is taking the Hammond's land?
 
How The Bundy Standoff Could Screw Over Ranchers

Local residents are tired of the ongoing game of tug-of-war over the land now referred to as the Harney Basin. This latest dispute has rekindled the tensions over land use that have marked the region ever since cattle barons first settled on Paiute Indian soil in the mid-1800s.

Just a few years ago, however, stakeholders including ranchers, environmentalists, and federal agents unveiled an agreed-upon conservation plan for the wildlife refuge sitting in the heart of the basin. It had taken three years to negotiate, but the result — which took into consideration ranchers’ livelihoods, ecological concerns, and local economic sustainability — became a beacon of hope in the region, as well as in other rural communities wrought with similar conflict.

Now, Ammon Bundy’s headline-grabbing occupation is imperiling that accord.

A Short History of Deep-Seated Conflict
The Great Basin is a high-desert region of 200,000 square miles between the Sierra Nevadas in California and the greater Rocky Mountains in Utah, running from southern Oregon all the way to northern Baja, Mexico. Water is fickle and scarce in this area of the country, rendering the landscape fragile and throwing communal usage and management issues into far starker relief than most westerners face. That makes the type of collaboration that the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership’s (TRCP) Joel Webster tries to engineer between naturalists and businessmen much harder.

“It’s the driest place in North America, or one of them. It’s an ecosystem on edge. There’s not a lot of grass to share like there is in north-central Montana, where the grass grows up to your thighs,” Webster, who runs the Partnership’s Center for Western Lands in Missoula, said in an interview. “So you’ve got all the different stakeholder groups, and the pie is a lot smaller. That’s where some of this conflict comes from.”

This is why Bundy and the whack-a-loons are targeting the area, because a cooperative agreement is being hammered out between all parties. That is against the ideology of the lunatics like the Bundys that state that all government is evil, and that they should be given a free ride on the land owned by all the citizens of the US. So they are doing their best to destroy that agreement.

Why not charge ranchers market rates for the use of our land? That would probably resolve the issue rather quickly.

And since the rates are set by the market, they can hardly complain.
 
Just what the hell does this have to do with the Malhuer Refuge, and the friction between the BLM and ranchers?

Oregon Historical Mining Information - Harney County Mining Records | DOGAMI

I don't know, what? You posted it here.

This thread is not about the actual occupation, but about the things the .gov has been doing to help foment things like it. It is not only about ranchers, it is about the .gov shrinking public access little by little overall.

Here: Owyhee Wilderness Proposal In Spotlight After Refuge Occupation

That's over in Malheur county and plenty have been against it. Obama already created some wilderness area there and now wants to expand it more.
 
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Just what the hell does this have to do with the Malhuer Refuge, and the friction between the BLM and ranchers?

Oregon Historical Mining Information - Harney County Mining Records | DOGAMI

I don't know, what? You posted it here.

This thread is not about the actual occupation, but about the things the .gov has been doing to help foment things like it. It is not only about ranchers, it is about the .gov shrinking public access little by little overall.

Here: Owyhee Wilderness Proposal In Spotlight After Refuge Occupation

That's over in Malheur county and plenty have been against it. Obama already created some wilderness area there and now want to expand it more.

Or about some wanna be cop killers cutting off access to a wilderness area to everyone but other militia members.
 
Not a deflection at all. As stated, that area is working out their problems together in an exemplary manner. The ranchers and the BLM are achieving agreements that satisfy both. And that is why they were targeted. They are giving lie to these fruitloop sovereign citizen people.

But, then, you don't want to see the cooperative effort succeed, either, judging from your posts.
"the area" does not begin and end in burns, you commie toad. Burns is where the forest service, blm, and law enforcement reside. Theyre thirty miles from the refusge and most of them have moved there as government employees or families of government employees over the last forty years. Its where the welfare ding dongs live and the socialist retirees. Buns is NOTthe voice of the majority of the rural area of the us, or even Oregon. After the mills closed and the cattle industry strangled, it was considered a scrub town full of whackos and freaks.....the people old fag refers to as 'good people' lol. Cripes I remember kids didnt even want to go there by bus to attend games when the opportunity presented itself. Feds turned it into a creepy shithole, which is what they do.
 
Dueling protests decry, support Ore. refuge occupation | KGW.com

BURNS, Ore. -- Dueling protests faced off at courthouse in Burns on Monday. Anti-government protesters were outnumbered by a locally organized group of approximately 300 people who showed support for law enforcement and told outsiders to go home.

Hundreds of people yelled "Stay here FBI" and waved signs with slogans like "God bless your passion, but please take it elsewhere - Bye bye!" and "Your voice is not my voice."

There is a video of the protests in that report. The vast majority of the good people of Burns, Oregon want those fucked up fruitloops to stay out of their town. The militia is definatetly not welcome. Note all the signs pro FBI. And the support for Sheriff Ward.

The primary reason that the Bundy felons chose Burns for their insane actions is that the ranchers and BLM in that area have worked out agreements that please both parties. And are actively working on other issues with the intent of achieving mutually satisfactory agreements. That is contrary to the message of division and sedition that Bundy and the militia's preach. And they hoped to end it.

Instead, the net result is a lot of them are going to be occupying a Federal Installation for a long time. They probably will be given snacks, but will have to give up their dildos. And one particularly far out fellow got himself shot trying to shoot an Oregon Trooper. No loss.
trying to get the hammonds off land the blm wants, is not a mutual agreement.
Ah, this is new...BLM is taking the Hammond's land?
Its not new, you retard. This has been the sole objective for years.
 
Or about some wanna be cop killers cutting off access to a wilderness area to everyone but other militia members.

???? Not the subject of the thread, troll.

Laughing......sorry, was I hold your ilk to their own standards? I didn't mean to soil your thread with consistency.

I mean, with wanna be cop killers you worship cutting off access to EVERYONE to one of these wilderness areas, I would have assumed you'd be outraged.
 
If anybody in those cars wanted to kill cops, cops would be dead.

With Lavoy reaching for his 9mm pistol to play paddy cake with that Oregon State Trooper?

Again, Kosh....lie to yourself if you want to. But don't bother lying to us. Finnicum was trying to pull the pistol to murder the Oregon State Trooper.

The Trooper didn't let him.
 

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