Do You Think the Wildfires in California, Oregon, and Washington Are Caused by Global Warming or Is It Mismanagement?

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Why is it people like the OP do not understand that forest fires are a natural occurrence and raking hundreds of thousands of acres is just not possible.
No, this one is widespread to the point entire forests could be burned down. The smoke, haze, and ash is so widespread throughout the states that it will cause both air and water pollution problems. I am resigned to mass deaths from wildfires in the Portland area of Oregon. Furthermore, out cities have been overplanted with trees. They are also in danger of the same type of fires due to lightning and other causes. What is also new are the governors screaming "AGW!!!" Newsom told people to come back to California as he'll fix the AGW by getting people to drive electric cars and such. No one can convince these politicians that it's their fault and mismanagement. It's the fault of people who drive fossil fuel cars and burn coal for their energy. That is just plain wrong; It's gross mismanagement and false beliefs of AGW.
 
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Trump News! He's coming to my area tomorrow.

"President Donald Trump announced he would make a visit to McClellan Park in Sacramento County on Monday to meet with local and federal firefighters and emergency officials.



PHOTO: Los Angeles County firefighters, using only hand tools, keep fire from jumping a fire break at the Bobcat Fire in the Angeles National Forest on Sept. 11, 2020, north of Monrovia, Calif.

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Los Angeles County firefighters, using only hand tools, keep fire from jumping a fire break at the Bobcat Fire in the Angeles National Forest on Sept. 11, 2020, north of Monrovia, Calif.

"Since mid-August, President Trump and Governor Newsom have spoken by phone and the White House and FEMA have remained in constant contact with State and local officials throughout the response to these natural disasters," the White House said in a statement. "The President continues to support those who are battling raging wildfires in a locally-executed, state-managed, and federally-supported emergency response."

Trump has repeatedly blamed California and Newsom's mismanagement for increased wildfires, pointing to the state not properly cleaning up broken trees or dry leaves, though he's given no proof and scientists say climate change plays a larger role. He's even threatened to withhold federal funding on multiple occasions.

Trump and Newsom, who used to be married to Donald Trump Jr.'s current girlfriend, have sparred over a number of topics in recent months and years. Last year, in response to Trump's tweets on California's wildfire mismanagement, Newsom responded, "You don’t believe in climate change. You are excused from this conversation."

The strange part is the ex-ties of Newsom and current DTJ.

 

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All the governors of these western states have their forests burning due to no fire lines being cut and letting their forests grow wild. With the hot weather, lack of rain, dry forests, and now lightning storms, all of the forests are on fire and there are not enough fire fighters to put it out. The states will have to wait for fall rains as helicopters cannot see into the thick smoke. All of the states will have grave air and water pollution problems. For the first time, people are moving out of California more than coming in.

California: "SAN FRANCISCO - The cityscape resembles the surface of a distant planet, populated by a masked alien culture. The air, choked with blown ash, is difficult to breathe.

There is the Golden Gate Bridge, looming in the distance through a drift-smoke haze, and the Salesforce Tower, which against the blood-orange sky appears as a colossal spaceship in a doomsday film.

San Francisco, and much of California, has never been like this.

California has become a warming, burning, epidemic-challenged and expensive state, with many who live in sophisticated cities, idyllic oceanfront towns and windblown mountain communities thinking hard about the viability of a place many have called home forever. For the first time in a decade, more people left California last year for other states than arrived.

Monica Gupta Mehta and her husband, an entrepreneur, have been through tech busts and booms, earthquakes, wildfire seasons and power outages. But it was not until the skies darkened and cast an unsettling orange light on their Palo Alto home earlier this week that they ever considered moving their family of five somewhere else.

"For the first time in 20-something years, the thought crossed our minds: Do we really want to live here?" said Mehta, who is starting an education tech company."


Oregon: "SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Hundreds of firefighters battled two large wildfires Friday that threatened to merge near the most populated part of Oregon, including the suburbs of Portland, and the governor said dozens of people are missing in other parts of the state.

The state’s emergency management director, Andrew Phelps, said officials are “preparing for a mass fatality event” and that thousands of structures have been destroyed.

Gov. Kate Brown said more than 40,000 Oregonians have been evacuated and about 500,000 are in different levels of evacuation zones, either having been told to leave or to prepare to do so. She was dialing back on a statement late Thursday issued by the state Office of Emergency Management that said a half-million people had been ordered to evacuate statewide.

Dozens of people are missing in Jackson County in the south and Marion County, where a fire continues to burn east of Salem, Brown told a news conference Friday. Also Friday, authorities announced that a man had been arrested on two counts of arson for allegedly starting a fire in southern Oregon on Tuesday."


Washington: "SEATTLE — Washington Gov. Jay Inslee says the fires devastating California and the Northwest shouldn’t be called wildfires, but “climate fires.”

At a news conference Friday, the Democrat noted that the roughly 980 square miles burned in Washington in just the last five days amounts to the state’s second worst fire season on record, after 2015.

“This is not an act of God,” Inslee said. “This has happened because we have changed the climate of the state of Washington in dramatic ways.”

Inslee ran for the Democratic presidential nomination on a climate platform and said it’s important to fight the fires not just on the ground, but by creating clean-energy jobs and taking other measures to combat climate change."


Mismanagement: "California is suffering from raging wildfires that, as of September 10th, have burned over 3.1 million acres, caused 12 fatalities, and destroyed over 3,900 structures. Residents are also enduring rolling electricity blackouts and unaffordable energy, yet California’s greenhouse gas emissions are now rising while the long-term national decline in emissions continues unabated.

Connecting all of these disconcerting trends are California’s policies.

The intention of the California approach is to improve the environment and create a low-cost, low-emission energy infrastructure for the state. In practice, these policies either create avoidable problems (e.g. rolling blackouts) or fail to meet their basic responsibilities (e.g. efficiently manage the forests to avoid uncontrolled wildfires).

Starting with the wildfires, Michael Shellenberger provides an important perspective in his August 24th Forbes piece. As he notes, “climate change is occurring and playing a role in warmer temperatures and heatwaves”. But, this does not mean that climate change is the driving factor of this year’s wildfires. Instead, as Shellenberger documents, poor forest management practices are the driving factors."

I have lived here for 70 plus years and I have seen very similar situations back in the 50's. I have to say it is the earth and the atmosphere gaining year round warmth just like in Australia.
 

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All the governors of these western states have their forests burning due to no fire lines being cut and letting their forests grow wild. With the hot weather, lack of rain, dry forests, and now lightning storms, all of the forests are on fire and there are not enough fire fighters to put it out. The states will have to wait for fall rains as helicopters cannot see into the thick smoke. All of the states will have grave air and water pollution problems. For the first time, people are moving out of California more than coming in.

California: "SAN FRANCISCO - The cityscape resembles the surface of a distant planet, populated by a masked alien culture. The air, choked with blown ash, is difficult to breathe.

There is the Golden Gate Bridge, looming in the distance through a drift-smoke haze, and the Salesforce Tower, which against the blood-orange sky appears as a colossal spaceship in a doomsday film.

San Francisco, and much of California, has never been like this.

California has become a warming, burning, epidemic-challenged and expensive state, with many who live in sophisticated cities, idyllic oceanfront towns and windblown mountain communities thinking hard about the viability of a place many have called home forever. For the first time in a decade, more people left California last year for other states than arrived.

Monica Gupta Mehta and her husband, an entrepreneur, have been through tech busts and booms, earthquakes, wildfire seasons and power outages. But it was not until the skies darkened and cast an unsettling orange light on their Palo Alto home earlier this week that they ever considered moving their family of five somewhere else.

"For the first time in 20-something years, the thought crossed our minds: Do we really want to live here?" said Mehta, who is starting an education tech company."


Oregon: "SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Hundreds of firefighters battled two large wildfires Friday that threatened to merge near the most populated part of Oregon, including the suburbs of Portland, and the governor said dozens of people are missing in other parts of the state.

The state’s emergency management director, Andrew Phelps, said officials are “preparing for a mass fatality event” and that thousands of structures have been destroyed.

Gov. Kate Brown said more than 40,000 Oregonians have been evacuated and about 500,000 are in different levels of evacuation zones, either having been told to leave or to prepare to do so. She was dialing back on a statement late Thursday issued by the state Office of Emergency Management that said a half-million people had been ordered to evacuate statewide.

Dozens of people are missing in Jackson County in the south and Marion County, where a fire continues to burn east of Salem, Brown told a news conference Friday. Also Friday, authorities announced that a man had been arrested on two counts of arson for allegedly starting a fire in southern Oregon on Tuesday."


Washington: "SEATTLE — Washington Gov. Jay Inslee says the fires devastating California and the Northwest shouldn’t be called wildfires, but “climate fires.”

At a news conference Friday, the Democrat noted that the roughly 980 square miles burned in Washington in just the last five days amounts to the state’s second worst fire season on record, after 2015.

“This is not an act of God,” Inslee said. “This has happened because we have changed the climate of the state of Washington in dramatic ways.”

Inslee ran for the Democratic presidential nomination on a climate platform and said it’s important to fight the fires not just on the ground, but by creating clean-energy jobs and taking other measures to combat climate change."


Mismanagement: "California is suffering from raging wildfires that, as of September 10th, have burned over 3.1 million acres, caused 12 fatalities, and destroyed over 3,900 structures. Residents are also enduring rolling electricity blackouts and unaffordable energy, yet California’s greenhouse gas emissions are now rising while the long-term national decline in emissions continues unabated.

Connecting all of these disconcerting trends are California’s policies.

The intention of the California approach is to improve the environment and create a low-cost, low-emission energy infrastructure for the state. In practice, these policies either create avoidable problems (e.g. rolling blackouts) or fail to meet their basic responsibilities (e.g. efficiently manage the forests to avoid uncontrolled wildfires).

Starting with the wildfires, Michael Shellenberger provides an important perspective in his August 24th Forbes piece. As he notes, “climate change is occurring and playing a role in warmer temperatures and heatwaves”. But, this does not mean that climate change is the driving factor of this year’s wildfires. Instead, as Shellenberger documents, poor forest management practices are the driving factors."

I have lived here for 70 plus years and I have seen very similar situations back in the 50's. I have to say it is the earth and the atmosphere gaining year round warmth just like in Australia.

In Australia it was arson.
 
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All the governors of these western states have their forests burning due to no fire lines being cut and letting their forests grow wild. With the hot weather, lack of rain, dry forests, and now lightning storms, all of the forests are on fire and there are not enough fire fighters to put it out. The states will have to wait for fall rains as helicopters cannot see into the thick smoke. All of the states will have grave air and water pollution problems. For the first time, people are moving out of California more than coming in.

California: "SAN FRANCISCO - The cityscape resembles the surface of a distant planet, populated by a masked alien culture. The air, choked with blown ash, is difficult to breathe.

There is the Golden Gate Bridge, looming in the distance through a drift-smoke haze, and the Salesforce Tower, which against the blood-orange sky appears as a colossal spaceship in a doomsday film.

San Francisco, and much of California, has never been like this.

California has become a warming, burning, epidemic-challenged and expensive state, with many who live in sophisticated cities, idyllic oceanfront towns and windblown mountain communities thinking hard about the viability of a place many have called home forever. For the first time in a decade, more people left California last year for other states than arrived.

Monica Gupta Mehta and her husband, an entrepreneur, have been through tech busts and booms, earthquakes, wildfire seasons and power outages. But it was not until the skies darkened and cast an unsettling orange light on their Palo Alto home earlier this week that they ever considered moving their family of five somewhere else.

"For the first time in 20-something years, the thought crossed our minds: Do we really want to live here?" said Mehta, who is starting an education tech company."


Oregon: "SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Hundreds of firefighters battled two large wildfires Friday that threatened to merge near the most populated part of Oregon, including the suburbs of Portland, and the governor said dozens of people are missing in other parts of the state.

The state’s emergency management director, Andrew Phelps, said officials are “preparing for a mass fatality event” and that thousands of structures have been destroyed.

Gov. Kate Brown said more than 40,000 Oregonians have been evacuated and about 500,000 are in different levels of evacuation zones, either having been told to leave or to prepare to do so. She was dialing back on a statement late Thursday issued by the state Office of Emergency Management that said a half-million people had been ordered to evacuate statewide.

Dozens of people are missing in Jackson County in the south and Marion County, where a fire continues to burn east of Salem, Brown told a news conference Friday. Also Friday, authorities announced that a man had been arrested on two counts of arson for allegedly starting a fire in southern Oregon on Tuesday."


Washington: "SEATTLE — Washington Gov. Jay Inslee says the fires devastating California and the Northwest shouldn’t be called wildfires, but “climate fires.”

At a news conference Friday, the Democrat noted that the roughly 980 square miles burned in Washington in just the last five days amounts to the state’s second worst fire season on record, after 2015.

“This is not an act of God,” Inslee said. “This has happened because we have changed the climate of the state of Washington in dramatic ways.”

Inslee ran for the Democratic presidential nomination on a climate platform and said it’s important to fight the fires not just on the ground, but by creating clean-energy jobs and taking other measures to combat climate change."


Mismanagement: "California is suffering from raging wildfires that, as of September 10th, have burned over 3.1 million acres, caused 12 fatalities, and destroyed over 3,900 structures. Residents are also enduring rolling electricity blackouts and unaffordable energy, yet California’s greenhouse gas emissions are now rising while the long-term national decline in emissions continues unabated.

Connecting all of these disconcerting trends are California’s policies.

The intention of the California approach is to improve the environment and create a low-cost, low-emission energy infrastructure for the state. In practice, these policies either create avoidable problems (e.g. rolling blackouts) or fail to meet their basic responsibilities (e.g. efficiently manage the forests to avoid uncontrolled wildfires).

Starting with the wildfires, Michael Shellenberger provides an important perspective in his August 24th Forbes piece. As he notes, “climate change is occurring and playing a role in warmer temperatures and heatwaves”. But, this does not mean that climate change is the driving factor of this year’s wildfires. Instead, as Shellenberger documents, poor forest management practices are the driving factors."

I have lived here for 70 plus years and I have seen very similar situations back in the 50's. I have to say it is the earth and the atmosphere gaining year round warmth just like in Australia.
I haven't see clear or blue skies in my area for almost a month now. I can't even see clouds. It's just a gray haze . Last month I was able to go to San Francisco and escape it but not anymore; I went again last week I'm sure it's the same in So Cal, OR, and WA. If it doesn't clear up, then I think people will come down with asthma and other lung problems. Maybe cancer. We can only hope the fall rains will help put it out and humans can gain control again.

If it doesn't clear up and Newsom continues to blame AGW, then would I move out of state? For sure.
 

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I fought fires for the California division of forestry in the summer of 71.

I blame the fires on those who started them, myself.
 

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WOW.
SEVEN live ones in the Tropical Atlantic.
(too much hot water/storm fuel to go with the West's hot air)


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WOW.
SEVEN live ones in the Tropical Atlantic.
(too much hot water/storm fuel to go with the West's hot air)


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It's weather, not climate. Just like the governors blaming anthropogenic global warming on the weather. However, the mismanagement is spot on.
 

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Neither. Many of the fires are being deliberately set. Not just this year, but in the last few years. There's a lot of crazy stuff going on in the world that most people (normies) would not believe if they heard what is actually going on, so that's all I'm going to say about that. : /
 
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All the governors of these western states have their forests burning due to no fire lines being cut and letting their forests grow wild. With the hot weather, lack of rain, dry forests, and now lightning storms, all of the forests are on fire and there are not enough fire fighters to put it out. The states will have to wait for fall rains as helicopters cannot see into the thick smoke. All of the states will have grave air and water pollution problems. For the first time, people are moving out of California more than coming in.

California: "SAN FRANCISCO - The cityscape resembles the surface of a distant planet, populated by a masked alien culture. The air, choked with blown ash, is difficult to breathe.

There is the Golden Gate Bridge, looming in the distance through a drift-smoke haze, and the Salesforce Tower, which against the blood-orange sky appears as a colossal spaceship in a doomsday film.

San Francisco, and much of California, has never been like this.

California has become a warming, burning, epidemic-challenged and expensive state, with many who live in sophisticated cities, idyllic oceanfront towns and windblown mountain communities thinking hard about the viability of a place many have called home forever. For the first time in a decade, more people left California last year for other states than arrived.

Monica Gupta Mehta and her husband, an entrepreneur, have been through tech busts and booms, earthquakes, wildfire seasons and power outages. But it was not until the skies darkened and cast an unsettling orange light on their Palo Alto home earlier this week that they ever considered moving their family of five somewhere else.

"For the first time in 20-something years, the thought crossed our minds: Do we really want to live here?" said Mehta, who is starting an education tech company."


Oregon: "SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Hundreds of firefighters battled two large wildfires Friday that threatened to merge near the most populated part of Oregon, including the suburbs of Portland, and the governor said dozens of people are missing in other parts of the state.

The state’s emergency management director, Andrew Phelps, said officials are “preparing for a mass fatality event” and that thousands of structures have been destroyed.

Gov. Kate Brown said more than 40,000 Oregonians have been evacuated and about 500,000 are in different levels of evacuation zones, either having been told to leave or to prepare to do so. She was dialing back on a statement late Thursday issued by the state Office of Emergency Management that said a half-million people had been ordered to evacuate statewide.

Dozens of people are missing in Jackson County in the south and Marion County, where a fire continues to burn east of Salem, Brown told a news conference Friday. Also Friday, authorities announced that a man had been arrested on two counts of arson for allegedly starting a fire in southern Oregon on Tuesday."


Washington: "SEATTLE — Washington Gov. Jay Inslee says the fires devastating California and the Northwest shouldn’t be called wildfires, but “climate fires.”

At a news conference Friday, the Democrat noted that the roughly 980 square miles burned in Washington in just the last five days amounts to the state’s second worst fire season on record, after 2015.

“This is not an act of God,” Inslee said. “This has happened because we have changed the climate of the state of Washington in dramatic ways.”

Inslee ran for the Democratic presidential nomination on a climate platform and said it’s important to fight the fires not just on the ground, but by creating clean-energy jobs and taking other measures to combat climate change."


Mismanagement: "California is suffering from raging wildfires that, as of September 10th, have burned over 3.1 million acres, caused 12 fatalities, and destroyed over 3,900 structures. Residents are also enduring rolling electricity blackouts and unaffordable energy, yet California’s greenhouse gas emissions are now rising while the long-term national decline in emissions continues unabated.

Connecting all of these disconcerting trends are California’s policies.

The intention of the California approach is to improve the environment and create a low-cost, low-emission energy infrastructure for the state. In practice, these policies either create avoidable problems (e.g. rolling blackouts) or fail to meet their basic responsibilities (e.g. efficiently manage the forests to avoid uncontrolled wildfires).

Starting with the wildfires, Michael Shellenberger provides an important perspective in his August 24th Forbes piece. As he notes, “climate change is occurring and playing a role in warmer temperatures and heatwaves”. But, this does not mean that climate change is the driving factor of this year’s wildfires. Instead, as Shellenberger documents, poor forest management practices are the driving factors."

Nobody who believes in global warming thinks it's going to be gone by next fire season, so this is a risk that needs to be managed regardless of it's cause. These forests need to be thinned and the dead-fall needs to be cleaned up.

BAD PEOPLE: Man arrested after admitting he used Molotov cocktail to start brush fire in Portland.
 

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WOW.
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It's weather, not climate. Just like the governors blaming anthropogenic global warming on the weather. However, the mismanagement is spot on.
Even if we stipulate that it's anthropogenic global warming, it's a risk that needs to be managed. These forests need to be thinned and the dead-fall cleaned up.

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An Oregon woman found an arsonist on her property over the weekend. The woman held him by gunpoint on the ground until police arrived.

She told the man if her husband would have caught him he’d be dead
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Apparently she is the gentler of the two.
 
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Yes, a lot is the mismanagement of forests, arson, and BLM. The point is to get rid of the liberal politicians who won't listen to reason and vote them out. They were the cause of mismanagement. We can't have these fires again. First, continue to drain the swamp in the US with Donald Trump.
 
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Trump came to look over the situation and said the states have to do a better job of managing the forests and cleaning up the dried wood and leaves. He called them matchsticks. Newsom didn't voice any complaints about global warming or else he may not have gotten federal funds right away.
 

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Blaming forest mismanagement is just plain stupidity.
not really. it happens every year, and the same shit happens every year. mis-management , and lack of preparation has alot to do w/it
 

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