Do You Think the Wildfires in California, Oregon, and Washington Are Caused by Global Warming or Is It Mismanagement?

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How about arson aided by forest mismanagement? If Newsome is so worried about global warming why the hell doesn't he manage his forests and enforce his laws? He's letting antifa and BLM run wild with their Molotov cocktails. If he's so worried about air pollution, why the hell can't I see the sun through his smoke here in Pa. That's right. It's all the way over here. Eff Newsome. He'd rather spend money protecting illegal alien criminals in his sanctuary cities. He's an asshole just like his aunt, crazy Nancy.
Newsom is one of those BLM, Molotov cocktail wielding, Antifa arsonists. He doesn't care about air, water pollution, and mismanagement of the trees and forests in California. He just wants to get re-elected. Give the libs what they want -- a big pile of poo poo to swallow.
 

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Global warming is going to cause more dramatic weather, with more storms, floods, droughts, etc., but CA screwed up too. Too many building permits on slopes, no backburns to clean trash, etc.
 

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How about arson aided by forest mismanagement? If Newsome is so worried about global warming why the hell doesn't he manage his forests and enforce his laws? He's letting antifa and BLM run wild with their Molotov cocktails. If he's so worried about air pollution, why the hell can't I see the sun through his smoke here in Pa. That's right. It's all the way over here. Eff Newsome. He'd rather spend money protecting illegal alien criminals in his sanctuary cities. He's an asshole just like his aunt, crazy Nancy.
Newsom is one of those BLM, Molotov cocktail wielding, Antifa arsonists. He doesn't care about air, water pollution, and mismanagement of the trees and forests in California. He just wants to get re-elected. Give the libs what they want -- a big pile of poo poo to swallow.
The forest fire by antifa argument has been pretty well debunked by the FBI. Even Joe Rogan has acknowledged and apologized for it.
 

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Do You Think the Wildfires in California, Oregon, and Washington Are Caused by Global Warming or Is It Mismanagement?
I'll repeat the words of a very erudite friend of mine just sent me living out in California:

Lots of people in the foothills and in the coastal range area have lost everything. Some of them have had smoke issues far worse than we have had as well.

BTW, it is very irritating that they are blaming this on "climate change". We know why we have huge wildfires in California now and climate change isn't it. Forest management has been horrible - largely due to oppressive regulation and lawsuits.

Under the Clean Air Act fires in our forests are considered to be air pollution emitters. That means that prescribed/controlled burns require very expensive environmental studies (for each and every one no matter how small) and then the lawsuits occur - it takes years and years. Our forests out here have to burn to be healthy and we cannot do the necessary burns when and where they are needed.

Seriously. Our Native Americans/Indians were deliberately setting fires for thousands of years and our forests are effectively now designed for that. Of course, we also had lightning fires in addition.. We've now accumulated far too much fuel with too many trees competing for water and nutrients and as a result our trees are unhealthy and don't have the needed resistance to pests and to fire - and the fires are thus far hotter and far more destructive than they should be. The fires are devastating entire regional ecosystems with a toll on flora and fauna which is difficult to imagine. The animals which can flee are ending up in areas which haven't the resources to support the increased load. Also, the critters can't escape the smoke at all.

California should be having thousands of small wildfires every year. Small is key. There are a whole lot of changes in laws and regulations which are essential if our forests are to be healthy.
 

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Why is it people like the OP do not understand that forest fires are a natural occurrence and raking hundreds of thousands of acres is just not possible.
The opening poster did not issue a personal opinion. The opening poster just cut and pasted several opinion articles.
 

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I believe GOD is trying to get the attention of the entire state, however, it seems they are far too busy trying to blame everyone and anything else. I do believe that some imagine that government can fix everything and that is all there is. Others simply do not wish to accept that person attitudes and behavior patterns can have anything to do with the problems faced in this world. And others simply don't care, and will continue to do whatever they wish no matter the consequences. They simply deny/ignore GOD ----- going about their merry way...
 

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I believe GOD is trying to get the attention of the entire state,
You would think that a magic sky fairy would have better ways of getting people's attention, then.

They simply deny/ignore GOD ----- going about their merry way...
The thing is, you guys who believe in a magic sky fairy have been murdering each other for thousands of years over what you think he wants.
 

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Like most things in the real world the answer is not either or.

It's most likely both.
problem is - global warming is a mismanagement argument.
No it's not.

Global warming is not mismanagement when everyone is responsible for it.

Face it every single person that drives a car, heats and cools his home, etc is responsible for global warming.

People like to say it's the oil industry's fault but people are the ones buying the products
 

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I believe GOD is trying to get the attention of the entire state,
You would think that a magic sky fairy would have better ways of getting people's attention, then.

They simply deny/ignore GOD ----- going about their merry way...
The thing is, you guys who believe in a magic sky fairy have been murdering each other for thousands of years over what you think he wants.
Atheists have murdered more people than any other group of individuals. And not only do they destroy the body, they have attempted to withhold the Word of GOD from people and condemned millions to hell with their denial of a CREATOR and banishment of religious freedom.
 

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All the governors of these western states have their forests burning due to no fire lines being cut and letting their forests grow wild. With the hot weather, lack of rain, dry forests, and now lightning storms, all of the forests are on fire and there are not enough fire fighters to put it out. The states will have to wait for fall rains as helicopters cannot see into the thick smoke. All of the states will have grave air and water pollution problems. For the first time, people are moving out of California more than coming in.

California: "SAN FRANCISCO - The cityscape resembles the surface of a distant planet, populated by a masked alien culture. The air, choked with blown ash, is difficult to breathe.

There is the Golden Gate Bridge, looming in the distance through a drift-smoke haze, and the Salesforce Tower, which against the blood-orange sky appears as a colossal spaceship in a doomsday film.

San Francisco, and much of California, has never been like this.

California has become a warming, burning, epidemic-challenged and expensive state, with many who live in sophisticated cities, idyllic oceanfront towns and windblown mountain communities thinking hard about the viability of a place many have called home forever. For the first time in a decade, more people left California last year for other states than arrived.

Monica Gupta Mehta and her husband, an entrepreneur, have been through tech busts and booms, earthquakes, wildfire seasons and power outages. But it was not until the skies darkened and cast an unsettling orange light on their Palo Alto home earlier this week that they ever considered moving their family of five somewhere else.

"For the first time in 20-something years, the thought crossed our minds: Do we really want to live here?" said Mehta, who is starting an education tech company."


Oregon: "SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Hundreds of firefighters battled two large wildfires Friday that threatened to merge near the most populated part of Oregon, including the suburbs of Portland, and the governor said dozens of people are missing in other parts of the state.

The state’s emergency management director, Andrew Phelps, said officials are “preparing for a mass fatality event” and that thousands of structures have been destroyed.

Gov. Kate Brown said more than 40,000 Oregonians have been evacuated and about 500,000 are in different levels of evacuation zones, either having been told to leave or to prepare to do so. She was dialing back on a statement late Thursday issued by the state Office of Emergency Management that said a half-million people had been ordered to evacuate statewide.

Dozens of people are missing in Jackson County in the south and Marion County, where a fire continues to burn east of Salem, Brown told a news conference Friday. Also Friday, authorities announced that a man had been arrested on two counts of arson for allegedly starting a fire in southern Oregon on Tuesday."


Washington: "SEATTLE — Washington Gov. Jay Inslee says the fires devastating California and the Northwest shouldn’t be called wildfires, but “climate fires.”

At a news conference Friday, the Democrat noted that the roughly 980 square miles burned in Washington in just the last five days amounts to the state’s second worst fire season on record, after 2015.

“This is not an act of God,” Inslee said. “This has happened because we have changed the climate of the state of Washington in dramatic ways.”

Inslee ran for the Democratic presidential nomination on a climate platform and said it’s important to fight the fires not just on the ground, but by creating clean-energy jobs and taking other measures to combat climate change."


Mismanagement: "California is suffering from raging wildfires that, as of September 10th, have burned over 3.1 million acres, caused 12 fatalities, and destroyed over 3,900 structures. Residents are also enduring rolling electricity blackouts and unaffordable energy, yet California’s greenhouse gas emissions are now rising while the long-term national decline in emissions continues unabated.

Connecting all of these disconcerting trends are California’s policies.

The intention of the California approach is to improve the environment and create a low-cost, low-emission energy infrastructure for the state. In practice, these policies either create avoidable problems (e.g. rolling blackouts) or fail to meet their basic responsibilities (e.g. efficiently manage the forests to avoid uncontrolled wildfires).

Starting with the wildfires, Michael Shellenberger provides an important perspective in his August 24th Forbes piece. As he notes, “climate change is occurring and playing a role in warmer temperatures and heatwaves”. But, this does not mean that climate change is the driving factor of this year’s wildfires. Instead, as Shellenberger documents, poor forest management practices are the driving factors."

I don't worry about a carbon buildup, nuclear war, alien invasion, global cooling or the earth spinning off its axis. I got enough faith from becoming well versed that even physical death is totally insignificent to me. That's a couple of excellent quotes you have there!
 

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