Zone1 The role of Christianity in the formation of the US government

[Votto]

Although not a theocracy, the formation of the US government was undoubtedly influenced the most by Judeo-Christian ideologies.

The notion that our natural rights exist because God exists is key to this understanding, and why we have such freedoms today.

 

[BreezeWood]

... influenced the most by Judeo-Christian ideologies.

such has never existed, ask a jew ... nor the ideology of christianity a religion than in name only.

this country became distinct from the above claim first in history made through desperation to leave europe and its desert infestation.

 

[MisterBeale]

Although not a theocracy, the formation of the US government was undoubtedly influenced the most by Judeo-Christian ideologies.

Christian values are not Jewish values.

Jewish values have more in common with Islam than Christianity.

You should stop amplifying Zionist propaganda. Zionism is wholly incompatible with enlightenment values, just as Islam is.

 

[theHawk]

such has never existed, ask a jew ... nor the ideology of christianity a religion than in name only.

this country became distinct from the above claim first in history made through desperation to leave europe and its desert infestation.

Why would we ask a fake “Jew” anything on the subject? Modern Judaism was invented in the 4th and 5th century AD.

 

[theHawk]

the formation of the US government was undoubtedly influenced the most by Judeo-Christian ideologies

What are “Judeo” values?

 

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[Moonglow]

Although not a theocracy, the formation of the US government was undoubtedly influenced the most by Judeo-Christian ideologies.

The notion that our natural rights exist because God exists is key to this understanding, and why we have such freedoms today.

The slaves did not agree.

 

[ding]

The slaves did not agree.

The founding fathers believed slavery was against the moral law but knew not how to end it and found the union but intended for it to perish and took steps towards ending it.

 

[Moonglow]

The founding fathers believed slavery was against the moral law but knew not how to end it and found the union but intended for it to perish and took steps towards ending it.

Right...

 

[Carl in Michigan]

What are “Judeo” values?

The 10 Commandments are the basis of Judeo values

 

[initforme]

The 10 Commandments are the basis of Judeo values

That being said thankfully we are not a theocracy. A theocracy cannot last and infringes on peoples freedoms.

 

[theHawk]

The 10 Commandments are the basis of Judeo values

Those are Christian values.

Modern Judaism does not follow Old Testament laws, they follow the Talmud.

 

[Donald H]

The Bible is clear: God endorses slavery.

There are at least seven passages in the Bible where God is depicted as directly permitting or endorsing slavery. Two of these are in the Law of Moses: God permitted the Israelites to take slaves f…

michaelpahl.com

It turns out after all that the bible isn't clear on anything!

It's either lying or it's all allegory as Ding and I have finally agreed 3 months ago.

 

[initforme]

The Bible is clear: God endorses slavery.

There are at least seven passages in the Bible where God is depicted as directly permitting or endorsing slavery. Two of these are in the Law of Moses: God permitted the Israelites to take slaves f…

michaelpahl.com

It turns out after all that the bible isn't clear on anything!

It's either lying or it's all allegory as Ding and I have finally 3 months ago.

You can cite the bible all day long but as a christian i have zero respect gor those that owned slaves.

 

[Donald H]

You can cite the bible all day long but as a christian i have zero respect gor those that owned slaves.

I think I've made it clear that both Ding and I don't believe the bible to be literally true.

Can you think of a reason why the bible would use slavery and racism to make an allegorical point? What's the message?

And most important, why would your god promote slavery?

 

[Votto]

What are “Judeo” values?

Deuteronomy is quoted more than any other source in the writings of the Founders.

 

[theHawk]

Deuteronomy is quoted more than any other source in the writings of the Founders.

Which Jews don’t go by, they go by the Talmud.

 

[NotYankee]

The 10 Commandments are the basis of Judeo values

Deuteronomy is quoted more than any other source in the writings of the Founders.

Judeo: From the American Heritage Dictionary: It only has Judeo Spanish. Everything else about the subject they confuse with the Real Israel, as in "Judaize and Judaism" they define as coming from Abraham and adopting Jewish customs and belief. None of that is valid. What they call "Judaism" comes from Esau and His offspring.
There was no Tribe of "Judah"; though there was a Tribe of Yehuda. The ideas of Jews and Judah came from the Vatican who invented the letter 'J' to help trick almost all Christians into worshiping anti-Christs.

As for the "Founders" of USA; Their "Constitution" was made in reaction to the Real Men of Massachusetts who excercised their Manly Rights to control their public servants, when those "public servants" were helping the Rich to steal the farms of Massachusetts Men. The efforts of these Men so alarmed the Rich that they quickly created a "Constitution" to prevent that from happening ever again. None of the so called "patriotic heroes" objected to the Private Army that invaded Massachusetts to kill The Heroic Men of Massachusetts.

 

[NotYankee]

I can imagine why Dearborn residents didn't like the loudspeaker, In the town I live in, the glorious city peoples leaders play a very loud siren at Noon and at 10 p.m. It is very irritating.

 

[IM2]

The founding fathers believed slavery was against the moral law but knew not how to end it and found the union but intended for it to perish and took steps towards ending it.

BS. They knew hw to end it. They did not take steps to end it.

America had every chance not to implement slavery. We are told how the so-called founders of this country created the way to end slavery when they wrote the constitution. Many will cite the fact they made the importation of slaves illegal by 1808 as evidence. But refusing to stop importing slaves did not end the slaving business in the United States. What it produced was an original American industry-slave breeding.

“During the fifty-three years from the prohibition of the African slave trade by federal law in 1808 to the debacle of the Confederate States of America in 1861, the Southern economy depended on the functioning of a slave-breeding industry, of which Virginia was the number-one supplier.”

If America had continued to import slaves, it would have diluted the market, thereby driving down the price of slaves. Slave sellers could not have this. So instead of the truth, we are told that “our nearer to God than thee” founders, in all their benevolent glory, looked towards a future whereby slavery would be no more. According to some, the so-called founders had a dream whereby little black boys and little black girls would no longer be enslaved because of the color of their skin. This is the story we are supposed to believe. However, reality does not show that.

“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”

Source: Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry