The Right To Bear Arms

[P@triot]

Does anyone actually believe this is a coincidence? This is a strategic move directly after the Parkland shooting. If de Blasio can ensure another school shooting on the heels of Parkland, it drastically increases the chances of getting firearms banned. As Rahm Emanuel said, the left’s mantra is “never let a good crisis go to waste”. The Democrats are more than happy to offer up a few sacrificial children for their gun control agenda.

Last armed NYPD cop pulled from NYC school after Parkland shooting — and parents are ‘livid’

 

[Markle]

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself.
They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone
under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie
wagon and citizens firearms are indelibly related."

- George Washington

 

[there4eyeM]

The plow and prairie wagon? Exactly, those were basic to American culture two hundred years ago.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The plow and prairie wagon? Exactly, those were basic to American culture two hundred years ago.

Look up the word "metaphor", Einstein.

 

[Flopper]

Does anyone actually believe this is a coincidence? This is a strategic move directly after the Parkland shooting. If de Blasio can ensure another school shooting on the heels of Parkland, it drastically increases the chances of getting firearms banned. As Rahm Emanuel said, the left’s mantra is “never let a good crisis go to waste”. The Democrats are more than happy to offer up a few sacrificial children for their gun control agenda.

Last armed NYPD cop pulled from NYC school after Parkland shooting — and parents are ‘livid’

If that's the case, gun owners are in trouble because copycat school shooting are common. There have been 18 school shooting incidents this year, 5 being multiple homicides, well above the average.

 

[there4eyeM]

A militia could patrol the schools.

 

[Flopper]

A militia could patrol the schools.

Not practical
There are about a thousand militia groups in the US, 150,000 schools, and an average of 5 mass shootings a year. That means each militia group would be patrolling 150 schools and would face a mass killer every 200 years.

 

[there4eyeM]

A militia could patrol the schools.

Not practical
There are about a thousand militia groups in the US, 150,000 schools, and an average of 5 mass shootings a year. That means each militia group would be patrolling 150 schools and would face a mass killer every 200 years.

Thanks for pointing out what is the obvious problem. It doesn't leave much justification for the 'militia' bit in our modern day, does it? The same math plays into the ridiculous proposition that teachers be armed; all those firearms around all the time (with all the possibilities for mishaps, etc.) for so precious few incidents where their proper application could be used. Gun toting just isn't justified, in general. It takes a particular kind of personality to need the assurance of that point of solidity and weight on the hip (or wherever).

 

[Flopper]

A militia could patrol the schools.

Not practical
There are about a thousand militia groups in the US, 150,000 schools, and an average of 5 mass shootings a year. That means each militia group would be patrolling 150 schools and would face a mass killer every 200 years.

Thanks for pointing out what is the obvious problem. It doesn't leave much justification for the 'militia' bit in our modern day, does it? The same math plays into the ridiculous proposition that teachers be armed; all those firearms around all the time (with all the possibilities for mishaps, etc.) for so precious few incidents where their proper application could be used. Gun toting just isn't justified, in general. It takes a particular kind of personality to need the assurance of that point of solidity and weight on the hip (or wherever).

I agree. Horrible events such as school shootings get a tremendous play from the media and the public demands that something be done so it will never happen again. What people don't seem to realize is that preparing for events that very rarely occur such as a mass shooting in a school is difficult and expensive and after 10 or 15 years without an attack, the preparations will fall by wayside as more pressing issues take center stage.

It's a similar problem with deaths from fraternity hazing. There are about 5500 fraternity chapters in the US and there's usually one death a year.

The major interest of most militias is self serving; that is protecting their rights to bear arm. Although they claim to be defending the constitution, they don't defend the right to due process, first amendment rights, or anything other than the 2nd amendment. Some of these groups actually perform some useful function in the community. Others are little more than a social organization, but some are dangerous, preparing for the overthrow of the government.

If there ever is a coup, leadership will come from a high level within the government and would involve the US military, not these yahoos.

 

[there4eyeM]

Still, it is surprising that the idea of armed civilian patrols has not already emerged from the firearms extremist camp(s).

 

[danielpalos]

Muster the militia until crime goes down!

 

[Markle]

It is time to repeal the Joe Biden "No Gun Safe Zone" law.

Teacher's don't have to carry or even touch a gun if they don't so desire. Those who wish to and can prove they have the skills and knowledge can if and when they want. Leave the potential shooter to wonder.

 

[Flopper]

It is time to repeal the Joe Biden "No Gun Safe Zone" law.

Teacher's don't have to carry or even touch a gun if they don't so desire. Those who wish to and can prove they have the skills and knowledge can if and when they want. Leave the potential shooter to wonder.

Do you really think taking down that sign is going to scare away potential mass killers? Most mass killers in schools either currently or previously attended the school. They are going to know if teachers are armed and if so, they will probably become the first target.

Gun free zones have little effect on mass killers but they have been very effective at reducing the number of guns being brought to school by students. Probably the biggest effect of tearing down the gun free zone signs is lots of kids will start bringing guns to school and that will certain lead to more dead and injured kids.

 

[Markle]

It is time to repeal the Joe Biden "No Gun Safe Zone" law.

Teacher's don't have to carry or even touch a gun if they don't so desire. Those who wish to and can prove they have the skills and knowledge can if and when they want. Leave the potential shooter to wonder.

Do you really think taking down that sign is going to scare away potential mass killers? Most mass killers in schools either currently or previously attended the school. They are going to know if teachers are armed and if so, they will probably become the first target.

Gun free zones have little effect on mass killers but they have been very effective at reducing the number of guns being brought to school by students. Probably the biggest effect of tearing down the gun free zone signs is lots of kids will start bringing guns to school and that will certain lead to more dead and injured kids.

No, nothing will stop someone bent on causing multiple deaths. But putting up signs that say you are safe to come in here shooting because no one will have a gun to stop you sure hasn't done anything.

Do you think the sign saying it was a no gun zone kept any kids from bringing a gun to school if they were so inclined? Heck no.

The US has a far lower violent crime rate than many or all Western European Countries because the criminal just doesn't know if kicking in my front door is going to be met with a pump shotgun. It works in our home, what is the harm in making the shooter guess?

 

[Rustic]

 

[Lakhota]

The founders never envisioned this scary looking gun when they ratified the 2nd Amendment - especially when combined with a Rambo mentality and/or mental illness and high-capacity magazines.

 

[basquebromance]

"i remember my dad teaching me to shoot in rural Pennsylvania when i was growing up. i also went on a memorable duck hunting trip with some friends in the 80s. i did manage to shoot a duck, but when i got home, Chelsea, who had just watched Bambi, was outraged that I'd shot some poor little duck's daddy" - Crooked Hillary

 

[Cecilie1200]

The founders never envisioned this scary looking gun when they ratified the 2nd Amendment - especially when combined with a Rambo mentality and/or mental illness and high-capacity magazines.

The Founders also didn't envision the Internet, but I'll bet money you have no problem applying the First Amendment to it anyway. Ditto radio, television, pretty much anything other than newspapers and shouting on the streetcorner.

What they did envision, and what is relevant, was that the basic, founding principles of freedom of expression and freedom of self-protection were always going to be necessary, and would always need to remain as unencumbered as possible. And no, your terror of how "scary-looking" something is does NOT require restrictions on the rights of others.

By all means, continue trying to make us feel embarrassed and ashamed of the desire for self-defense. Your helpless frustration because your opinion doesn't matter makes me laugh.

 

[danielpalos]

Only the Unoroganized militia whines about gun control laws!

 

[Flopper]

It is time to repeal the Joe Biden "No Gun Safe Zone" law.

Teacher's don't have to carry or even touch a gun if they don't so desire. Those who wish to and can prove they have the skills and knowledge can if and when they want. Leave the potential shooter to wonder.

Do you really think taking down that sign is going to scare away potential mass killers? Most mass killers in schools either currently or previously attended the school. They are going to know if teachers are armed and if so, they will probably become the first target.

Gun free zones have little effect on mass killers but they have been very effective at reducing the number of guns being brought to school by students. Probably the biggest effect of tearing down the gun free zone signs is lots of kids will start bringing guns to school and that will certain lead to more dead and injured kids.

No, nothing will stop someone bent on causing multiple deaths. But putting up signs that say you are safe to come in here shooting because no one will have a gun to stop you sure hasn't done anything.

Do you think the sign saying it was a no gun zone kept any kids from bringing a gun to school if they were so inclined? Heck no.

The US has a far lower violent crime rate than many or all Western European Countries because the criminal just doesn't know if kicking in my front door is going to be met with a pump shotgun. It works in our home, what is the harm in making the shooter guess?

A report by CDC suggest the answer is heck yes, gun free zones do discourage kids from bring guns to school.

States are free to pass laws that deputized those in schools authorized to carry firearms; that means teachers or other personnel. People with concealed weapon permit in states that require background checks can carry guns in schools without breaking the federal law. So there is no need to repeal the federal Gun Free Zone law unless the NRA really wants young children and teens bringing guns to school.

If republicans in congress are intent on repealing the law, democrats will be happy to hang the deaths of innocent kids around their neck to be displayed in the next election. Considering the temperament of the public over gun control, (60% support tougher gun laws while 33% don't); that just might cost them control of congress.