The Republican Party is going to be REALLY interesting to watch for a while

[Claudette]

Well from what I saw the Capital police opened the gates and doors and let them all in.

Well they did invade. In fact Capital police officers have been suspended and are under investigation for just that.

So, by the above can we presume you are sticking with your assertion that the Trump Insurrection on Janaury 6th was an operation led by members of ANTIFA and BLM, as you've asserted earlier?
That it was a 'false-flag' operation?

And are you sticking with your assertion that the Capitol police let all of the insurrectionists into the building? Even in light of the multitude of videos showing those police in a desperate struggle at entranceways?

And are you, poster, asserting that nutters from QAnaon, 3Percenters, Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, MAGA-cult, et al, were NOT the overwhelming participants in the breach of the Capitol building and grounds?

Just what are you asserting poster Claudette?

Hey there's a thread about on this board with links. Look it up.

 

[Chillicothe]

Marjorie Tayler Greene

As long as the poster 'odanny' brought up MT Greene, I'll share this insight that I just came by about a week ago.

MT Greene grew up in Forsyth County GA.
Notorious Forsyth.
Uber racist Forsyth.

That struck me as sort of an ...'aha' moment. A 'that figures' moment.

Two years ago I listened to a book-on-tape, "Blood at the Root", by P.Phillips
It is a non-fiction account of Forsyth's actions and zeitgeist up until the 1990's.
I ain't gonna give you a book review, but here is what one reader posted on the Amazon page for the book:

"WOW!! I cannot recommend this book enough. It’s a historical, non-fiction page turner that frequently left me gasping as my heart sank into my stomach. I would wake up in the middle of the night to read it because it weighed so heavily on my mind. I had to know what happened next... it’s that horrifying.

If you live in Georgia or are intimately familiar with Georgia, it will hit very close to home. You will know the places and sadly be able to connect some dots. Even if you’re not from Georgia, you will be able to draw parallels to the language cited in this book to the language used to defend racist views today. It should be mandatory reading.

As someone who lived in Atlanta for 7 years, I had no idea that Forsyth was an all white county up until the 1990s."
.................................................................................................................

https://www.amazon.com/Blood-Root-Racial-Cleansing-America/dp/0393293017&tag=ff0d01-20

 

[Chillicothe]

Hey there's a thread about on this board with links. Look it up.

No Ma'am.
You asserted it.
You posted it.
You prove it.

You posted on this very venue the following:

Well from what I saw the Capital police opened the gates and doors and let them all in. (underlining by my avatar.)

So, show.
Or go.

 

[Claudette]

Hey there's a thread about on this board with links. Look it up.

No Ma'am.
You asserted it.
You posted it.
You prove it.

You posted on this very venue the following:

Well from what I saw the Capital police opened the gates and doors and let them all in. (underlining by my avatar.)

So, show.
Or go.

You want to know. Read it yourself. Its on the board. I'm not your secretary.

So read
Or go.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Hey there's a thread about on this board with links. Look it up.

No Ma'am.
You asserted it.
You posted it.
You prove it.

You posted on this very venue the following:

Well from what I saw the Capital police opened the gates and doors and let them all in. (underlining by my avatar.)

So, show.
Or go.

 

[Chillicothe]

Read it yourself. Its on the board. I'm not your secretary.

Golly, this gets circular, don' it?

Here, lemme mansplain again to you poster Claudette.

YOU are the one who said the police 'let in all' of the rioters.
When queried about why you would assert such --most especially, in the face of much much video evidence showing just the opposite, well, you duck and cover and try to run from your responsibility.

Now, to be sure, no one here, most especially my avatar, would ever say you CAN'T do that. You can. You can simply refuse to back up your word. No crime here for that.

But see, poster Claudette, when you make a statement, an assertion in a public way, you should expect someone will say: ...."Well, why do you say that?"...or, "How do you know that?"

Those are reasonable, and most people would feel --'expected' queries.

Your response, to date, has been: I read it on the internet. Or "Look it up yourself."
Again, you CAN do that. No one is saying you can't.
But their is a cost.

To your credibility.

Not my rules.
It's the way the adult world works.
Trust me.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think the new Trumpist/fascist wing in the party is the dominant force, and that the traditional conservatives are still there, in force, but are cowed into silence by the Marjorie Tayler Greene wing of Trumpists, where the more radical and offensive ideas carry the day.
I think the traditional conservatives are probably the dominant force in numbers, but the voters want the Trumpist/fascists to be the dominant influence, and the traditionalists remain silent, as they want to keep their job and not risk the wrath of Dear Leader.

Sad to see this once proud party devolve into this, all because of one man.

One man cannot do this, only the people can by supporting it. Trump is somebody a majority of us wanted for a very long time, it's just that until he came along, the GOP wouldn't give us such a candidate.

 

[Claudette]

Read it yourself. Its on the board. I'm not your secretary.

Golly, this gets circular, don' it?

Here, lemme mansplain again to you poster Claudette.

YOU are the one who said the police 'let in all' of the rioters.
When queried about why you would assert such --most especially, in the face of much much video evidence showing just the opposite, well, you duck and cover and try to run from your responsibility.

Now, to be sure, no one here, most especially my avatar, would ever say you CAN'T do that. You can. You can simply refuse to back up your word. No crime here for that.

But see, poster Claudette, when you make a statement, an assertion in a public way, you should expect someone will say: ...."Well, why do you say that?"...or, "How do you know that?"

Those are reasonable, and most people would feel --'expected' queries.

Your response, to date, has been: I read it on the internet. Or "Look it up yourself."
Again, you CAN do that. No one is saying you can't.
But their is a cost.

To your credibility.

Not my rules.
It's the way the adult world works.
Trust me.

You think I care what you think of my credibility?? If you want to know, do what I do, look it up yourself. Its on the board. I always look up what I want to know.

If not, then I really couldn't care less.

 

[odanny]

Marjorie Tayler Greene

As long as the poster 'odanny' brought up MT Greene, I'll share this insight that I just came by about a week ago.

MT Greene grew up in Forsyth County GA.
Notorious Forsyth.
Uber racist Forsyth.

That struck me as sort of an ...'aha' moment. A 'that figures' moment.

Two years ago I listened to a book-on-tape, "Blood at the Root", by P.Phillips
It is a non-fiction account of Forsyth's actions and zeitgeist up until the 1990's.
I ain't gonna give you a book review, but here is what one reader posted on the Amazon page for the book:

"WOW!! I cannot recommend this book enough. It’s a historical, non-fiction page turner that frequently left me gasping as my heart sank into my stomach. I would wake up in the middle of the night to read it because it weighed so heavily on my mind. I had to know what happened next... it’s that horrifying.

If you live in Georgia or are intimately familiar with Georgia, it will hit very close to home. You will know the places and sadly be able to connect some dots. Even if you’re not from Georgia, you will be able to draw parallels to the language cited in this book to the language used to defend racist views today. It should be mandatory reading.

As someone who lived in Atlanta for 7 years, I had no idea that Forsyth was an all white county up until the 1990s."
.................................................................................................................

Amazon.com

Your link is broken, but I highly doubt most people in Forsyth county are even embarrassed by Greene.

 

[odanny]

I think the new Trumpist/fascist wing in the party is the dominant force, and that the traditional conservatives are still there, in force, but are cowed into silence by the Marjorie Tayler Greene wing of Trumpists, where the more radical and offensive ideas carry the day.
I think the traditional conservatives are probably the dominant force in numbers, but the voters want the Trumpist/fascists to be the dominant influence, and the traditionalists remain silent, as they want to keep their job and not risk the wrath of Dear Leader.

Sad to see this once proud party devolve into this, all because of one man.

One man cannot do this, only the people can by supporting it. Trump is somebody a majority of us wanted for a very long time, it's just that until he came along, the GOP wouldn't give us such a candidate.

I agree the previous GOP candidates were corporate shills and globalist douchebags and warmongers. But Trump? He is not the answer, just someone who has harnessed the anger, the disenfranchised white middle class, and given them hope, in the same way a preacher does at a revival. Sadly, they both share the same success rate in what they preach, although the preacher is at least polite about it, and says thing that inspire hope, versus the white grievance angle, and blaming someone else for your station in life.

 

[odanny]

LOL Since I don't belong to either party your post is dumb. No one should rule the Reps. Someone should lead them.

As for your Dem's, their current leader is bat shit crazy along with the whore VP.

I'd say the Dems have more problems then the Reps will ever have.

I'd say you are wearing blinders, or better yet, a blindfold.

 

[Dana7360]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

All I can say is give them time.

And pay attention to what Barry Goldwater said about the christian extremists in the 60s.

I can only hope for the sake of our nation, our world and future generations that the trump people and their beliefs are totally rejected by the people of our nation. Unfortunately, in some places in our nation, that's just not going to happen.

 

[Dana7360]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

I would say before the events that followed after the November 2020 election, Republicans had a good chance of making gains and taking back the House and possibly increasing their numbers in the Senate in 2022. For some odd reason, the down ballot Republicans in the Senate survived and they even picked up seats in the House. Then, Trump lost the election, screamed fraud for two months and proceeded to carve a path of destruction that would have made Sherman envious. He costs the Republican party the Senate (GA runoffs) and then two months of his legal and tweeting temper tantrums and spreading of the conspiracy theory manure results in a violent insurrection at the Capitol where he goads in followers to attempt to take the election by force. That effectively wipes out all the momentum that came from November 3rd.

Right now, I don't see any short term hope for the Republican party. Let's set aside that the present iteration of "conservatism" that Republicans have espoused for the last four decades has been a complete failure (policy wise) and has only survived because they've gotten rust belt and southern voters to vote against their own best interests. Now, they've let a carnival barker split them in half. Allowed him to run amok, set the narrative and bolster it with constant conspiracy theories and playing upon more than three decades of perceived grievances. They are slowly driving the moderates away. There will be a lot of people who voted for Trump that will be turned off by the extremism too. Put that together and neither Trump nor the Republicans have enough of a majority to overcome the Democrats.

Now I realize that Democrats are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory but I think this time, they'll get a big assist from Republicans. Mitch can try to "ignore" Trump all he wants. It ain't gonna happen. Trump is a force of being. The only way he'll be silenced is if he goes to prison. Personally, I think the destruction of the Republican party is long overdue. Ever since that serial philanderer Newt Gingrich and his Republican Revolution breezed into town in 1994, it's been a long, slow downhill slide into the loony bin for Republicans. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crash.

Yeah, that's how it looked to me before Trump's characteristically childish tirade against McConnell, but now I'm guessing we could see some serious fireworks. No doubt we'll see many Qandidates pop up now, so the question is how many and what havoc they end up causing.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would be putting those countless images of the q people storming the capitol in their selfish attempt to overthrow democracy and the voice of the majority of the people in our nation.

There are tons of images and video of q followers attacking our capitol.

There are many old trump tweets with q conspiracies in them.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would make sure those images where in ads on TV regularly for everyone to see. Not just during election seasons but all through the year.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I agree the previous GOP candidates were corporate shills and globalist douchebags and warmongers. But Trump? He is not the answer, just someone who has harnessed the anger, the disenfranchised white middle class, and given them hope, in the same way a preacher does at a revival. Sadly, they both share the same success rate in what they preach, although the preacher is at least polite about it, and says thing that inspire hope, versus the white grievance angle, and blaming someone else for your station in life.

Trump is a fighter and we like that. We love how he retaliates against the media when attacked whereas with other Republicans, they cower in the corner.

I don't elect leaders based on looks or personalities. That's how you voted on your favorite American Idol contestant,. not a representative. Many people do, and that's a huge problem that brought us Dementia Joe. I vote on leaders that have the right message, or in Trump's case, a great record of leadership.

 

[easyt65]

TOP HEADLINES / NEWS STORIES:
- Biden Eliminates Tens Of thousands Of US Jobs In 1st 10 Days
- Biden Surrenders US Energy Indepenence While making Enemies Stronger
- Biden Ignores Irnian Attack On US Base in Northern Iraq, Announces Return To Nuclear Negotiations
- Biden Invites Super-Duper Spreader Event In Midst of Pandemic By Opening US Border, Ignboring Threat to Us Lives
- NY Gov Cuomo Under Investigationfor Deaths of Over 15,000 Elderly Americans And Cover-Up
- Biden Harris contine To Lie: Vaccines Did Not Exist Prior to My Taking office, etc...
- Calls For Pelosi 6 Jan Capitol Violence As Capitol Police Suspend 6 Officers For Part In it, Investigating 29 More
- Biden Gives CCP Access To US Power Grid

"Please, please, please, oh please just watch
what the GOP are doing and ignore me & the
Democrats..."

 

[Mac1958]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

All I can say is give them time.

And pay attention to what Barry Goldwater said about the christian extremists in the 60s.

I can only hope for the sake of our nation, our world and future generations that the trump people and their beliefs are totally rejected by the people of our nation. Unfortunately, in some places in our nation, that's just not going to happen.

My guess is that we'll see some percentage of them have the fog lift, as we've seen before in history. But, because they still have their alternate universe screaming in their ears 24/7/365, it will be a slower process and we'll see fewer of them wake up than would have otherwise.

 

[Dana7360]

```````

You seem to think everything you lefties put on this board is true.

Ah, good morning, ma'am.

Let's first address some old business that you are ---seemingly --- trying hard to sidestep.

And that is your assertions that BLM/ANTIFA invaded the Capitol on January 6th, and not the Trumpcult and the jackass-patriot nutters.

I think you are wrong and have asked you to vet your assertions. You dodge. Or, you say you know it is true because you read it on an internet message board where it was posted by anonymous posters using fake names. Claudette, that kind of 'sourcing' doesn't speak well for your level of education. I do not mean that pejoratively. It just is what it is.

I still say, unless and until you prove your assertion .......well I say that you are deadsolidperfectly off-base about who participated in the January Trump Insurrection.
......................................................................

So lets do two: You say the police opened the doors for all the insurrectionists.
Which is a puzzler. One of those moments where reasonable and observant adults go.....WTF?!

I mean by that, watch some TV coverage of how the police stood in entryways battling the TrumpCultists and patriot-jackasses. Battling 'em.....and being savagely beaten in the process.
Then, you, the poster Claudette, comes on this venue and asserts the police "let" 'em all in.

Again, poster, you asserted it.
You prove it.
Batter up, gurlfriend.
..........................................................................

Lastly (go for three?). You presumptuously assert my avatar is a "leftie".

Ummm, nope.
The 'left' won't have me as I'm too conservative.
The 'right' won't have me as I'm too liberal.
I happily describe my poor avatar as ..... a 'skeptical optimist'.

And, pray tell, what about you poster Claudette?
........please please do not tell us you are one of the 'jackass-patriots'.
You aren't are you?

You're not going to get an honest answer from that poster so I will give them to you in links.

Answer to question one:

FBI: No Evidence Antifa Involved In Capitol Chaos

Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) and Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) were among the politicians to spread the baseless conspiracy theory.

www.forbes.com

FBI didn’t confirm antifa breached the Capitol

Two days after a mob of President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol — an assault that caused lawmakers

www.politifact.com

Answer to question two in video:





The answer to number three:

Anyone who doesn't agree with a trump person is a far leftie in the eyes of the trump people.

 

[Mac1958]

Trump-McConnell rift threatens GOP's Senate hopes

Republicans need to pick up only one seat in next year's midterms to win back the majority, but the GOP could be mired in a protracted civil war over the former president's role in the party.

www.politico.com

It's hard to imagine things settling down in the GQP, and that was before Trump's recent wild tantrum directed at Mitch McConnell -- which (no one seems to be pointing out) had pretty much nothing to do with McConnell's speech after the trial.

So, what will 2022 look like? Will we see rough inter-party primaries from coast to coast, even where long-standing Republican congressmen are established -- one more traditional Republican, and one Trump-approved Qandidate? How many of those Trump qandidates will win? And if so, how will they do in their general elections?

Further, do we know yet what 2024 will look like? What if the Trump-approved candidates either win or get wiped out? Will that change the dynamic for the party in 2024?

Never a dull moment. All we can do is watch and guess. What do you think may happen?

I would say before the events that followed after the November 2020 election, Republicans had a good chance of making gains and taking back the House and possibly increasing their numbers in the Senate in 2022. For some odd reason, the down ballot Republicans in the Senate survived and they even picked up seats in the House. Then, Trump lost the election, screamed fraud for two months and proceeded to carve a path of destruction that would have made Sherman envious. He costs the Republican party the Senate (GA runoffs) and then two months of his legal and tweeting temper tantrums and spreading of the conspiracy theory manure results in a violent insurrection at the Capitol where he goads in followers to attempt to take the election by force. That effectively wipes out all the momentum that came from November 3rd.

Right now, I don't see any short term hope for the Republican party. Let's set aside that the present iteration of "conservatism" that Republicans have espoused for the last four decades has been a complete failure (policy wise) and has only survived because they've gotten rust belt and southern voters to vote against their own best interests. Now, they've let a carnival barker split them in half. Allowed him to run amok, set the narrative and bolster it with constant conspiracy theories and playing upon more than three decades of perceived grievances. They are slowly driving the moderates away. There will be a lot of people who voted for Trump that will be turned off by the extremism too. Put that together and neither Trump nor the Republicans have enough of a majority to overcome the Democrats.

Now I realize that Democrats are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory but I think this time, they'll get a big assist from Republicans. Mitch can try to "ignore" Trump all he wants. It ain't gonna happen. Trump is a force of being. The only way he'll be silenced is if he goes to prison. Personally, I think the destruction of the Republican party is long overdue. Ever since that serial philanderer Newt Gingrich and his Republican Revolution breezed into town in 1994, it's been a long, slow downhill slide into the loony bin for Republicans. I'm going to sit back and enjoy the crash.

Yeah, that's how it looked to me before Trump's characteristically childish tirade against McConnell, but now I'm guessing we could see some serious fireworks. No doubt we'll see many Qandidates pop up now, so the question is how many and what havoc they end up causing.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would be putting those countless images of the q people storming the capitol in their selfish attempt to overthrow democracy and the voice of the majority of the people in our nation.

There are tons of images and video of q followers attacking our capitol.

There are many old trump tweets with q conspiracies in them.

If the democratic politicians were smart, they would make sure those images where in ads on TV regularly for everyone to see. Not just during election seasons but all through the year.

If they don't, they're passing up a huge opportunity. But we both know how both ends of the spectrum never miss a chance to miss a chance.

 

[odanny]

I agree the previous GOP candidates were corporate shills and globalist douchebags and warmongers. But Trump? He is not the answer, just someone who has harnessed the anger, the disenfranchised white middle class, and given them hope, in the same way a preacher does at a revival. Sadly, they both share the same success rate in what they preach, although the preacher is at least polite about it, and says thing that inspire hope, versus the white grievance angle, and blaming someone else for your station in life.

Trump is a fighter and we like that. We love how he retaliates against the media when attacked whereas with other Republicans, they cower in the corner.

I don't elect leaders based on looks or personalities. That's how you voted on your favorite American Idol contestant,. not a representative. Many people do, and that's a huge problem that brought us Dementia Joe. I vote on leaders that have the right message, or in Trump's case, a great record of leadership.

The irony of what you wrote is lost on you. Trump was elected precisely because of his bombast, notoriety, and personality, he had zero political experience and what you call a "fighter" is someone who rejects accepted wisdom and creates his own, calling any unfavorable news about him "fake". The "huge problem" you speak of brought us Trump.

I can understand why conservatives elected him in 2016, you had a field of candidates who all blathered the same message (I'll never forget Rubio repeating his talking points right after being challenged by Chris Christie for doing just that) and none of them, save Trump, called the Iraq war a mistake. If I were a conservative who was unfamiliar with Trump's past, he'd of surely gotten my vote.

But after 4 years, there was no way I would have repeated that mistake, not with boatloads of evidence on record of his disastrous leadership or his constant chipping away at the very foundation of our democracy. All key departments were led by cronies loyal to him, no experience necessary. He called a free press the "enemy of the people", he lied on a level that was stunning, even for politicians, and any news not deemed favorable by him was called "fake". His constant attacks against anyone not in his cult divided a nation in a way not seen since the Civil War, and which continues today.

 

[Chillicothe]

If you want to know, do what I do, look it up yourself. Its on the board. I always look up what I want to know.

Ah, poster Claudette, clearly, I'm not being clear.
Enough.

I think I know what I know.
And what you are posting about the Capitol Police "letting in all" of the insurrectionist is, well, not what I think I know.

• I saw on multiple sources the police battling for their lives on the steps of the Capitol in an attempt to prevent rioters from entering.
• I saw police pointing guns at rioters breaking windows to get at the legislators.
• I saw a policeman shoot at a rioter who was breaking and entering in the Capitol.
  
  YOU assert that you saw the police letting in all of the rioters.

Clearly, my empirical knowledge conflicts with your assertions.
What I am asking is for you to back up your assertions.
You seemingly are suggesting that you don't have to back up what you say. You seemingly are suggesting that your word is not to be questioned.

I'm saying that such suggestions do not offer you credibility when opining on this matter. No credibility can be offered if one is unable, or unwilling to back up their own word. Forgive any of us on this venue if the perception arises of cluelessness, or carelessness, or intentional obtuseness.

Look, poster, I ain't your enemy.
I am simply attempting to advise you to be a more effective contributor here.
A more credible one. One with gravitas.

Peace out.