Zone1 The reason there is hatred against Jews is about numbers. Judaism is a tiny religion and group compared to their enemies.

[Carl in Michigan]

Yep. Just between you and me, Jesus had no intention to start a new religion

He came to fulfill the law. The Jews are without excuse because Christ is revealed in each of the Holy Days.

This is why the true Church observed the Seventh Day Sabbath and the Holy Days.

It is why the Roman Church persecuted the Church of God for "judaizing on the Sabbath"

 

[Lisa558]

He came to fulfill the law. The Jews are without excuse because Christ is revealed in each of the Holy Days.

This is why the true Church observed the Seventh Day Sabbath and the Holy Days.

It is why the Roman Church persecuted the Church of God for "judaizing on the Sabbath"

Blah, blah, blah. Stop lecturing Jews, telling us “we have no excuses” for how we believe.

We have different beliefs. Get over it.

 

[rosends]

He came to fulfill the law. The Jews are without excuse because Christ is revealed in each of the Holy Days.

This is why the true Church observed the Seventh Day Sabbath and the Holy Days.

It is why the Roman Church persecuted the Church of God for "judaizing on the Sabbath"

Laws are obeyed, not fulfilled.

 

[ding]

Jesus certainly wouldn’t have wanted them to elevate him to a godlike character,

Then why did the early Christians worship Jesus as God?

 

[Lisa558]

Then why did the early Christians worship Jesus as God?

We are talking about Jews. Those who worshipped Jesus gave up their key tenet of Judaism - ONE Gd - and, as you yourself call them, became Christians.

 

[ding]

We are talking about Jews. Those who worshipped Jesus gave up their key tenet of Judaism - ONE Gd - and, as you yourself call them, became Christians.

Why do you believe they did that?

 

[Lisa558]

Why do you believe they did that?

Who knows? Why did people become Moonies in the 1970s?

 

[Hector12]

What's your opinion on the mixing of races?

I am white and I prefer Oriental women.

 

[ding]

Who knows? Why did people become Moonies in the 1970s?

The simple answer is because they saw him do things that no one had done before.

 

[ding]

I am white and I prefer Oriental women.

Doesn't answer the question, now does it?

What is your opinion on the mixing of races? What is it that you were saying the other day about the "browning" of America?

 

[Lisa558]

The simple answer is because they saw him do things that no one had done before.

Not necessarily. The people who became Moonies didn’t see anything special, but they were drawn to the leader. I imagine Jesus was very charismatic.

 

[ding]

Not necessarily. The people who became Moonies didn’t see anything special, but they were drawn to the leader. I imagine Jesus was very charismatic.

So they endured persecution because Jesus was charismatic? Do you have any evidence for that belief?

 

[Lisa558]

So they endured persecution because Jesus was charismatic? Do you have any evidence for that belief?

How were they persecuted? It seems the Jews who remained Jews were the ones hated. Just as now, 2000 years later.

 

[ding]

How were they persecuted? It seems the Jews who remained Jews were the ones hated. Just as now, 2000 years later.

"The persecution of Christians can be historically traced from the first century of the Christian era to the present day. Christian missionaries and converts to Christianity have both been targeted for persecution, sometimes to the point of being martyred for their faith, ever since the emergence of Christianity.

Early Christians were persecuted at the hands of both Jews, from whose religion Christianity arose, and the Romans who controlled many of the early centers of Christianity in the Roman Empire..."

Persecution of Christians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So it seems to me that early Christians must to have had a good reason to risk persecution for their beliefs. The New Testament provides that reason.

 

[ding]

How were they persecuted? It seems the Jews who remained Jews were the ones hated. Just as now, 2000 years later.

Do you have any evidence that early Christians worshipped Jesus as God and endured persecution because Jesus was charismatic?

 

[Hector12]

Yep. Just between you and me, Jesus had no intention to start a new religion. He taught traditional Jewish values, albeit with his own “spin” on some, and it was his disciples who decided to form a new religion. Jesus certainly wouldn’t have wanted them to elevate him to a godlike character, as it opposes the Gd is ONE commandment.

I’m sure there were many “Jesuses” in Israel at the time, preaching to a band of followers. He just caught on is all.

The Divinity of Jesus is only asserted in the Gospel of St. John. Even the Gospel of St. John shows that Jesus is subordinate to God the Father. The Gospels of St. Matthew, St. Mark, and St. Luke each have Jesus saying, "Why do you call me good? There is no one good but God."

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Mathew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

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Contradictions in the Bible interest me, but they do not disturb me. The Old Testament (also called The Jewish Bible) and the Apocrypha were written by Jews. All or most of the New Testament was written by people we would recognize today as Messianic Jews.

Anyone who has known and liked as many Jews as I have knows that they often disagree with each other, and they love to argue. I see the Bible as an anthology of Jewish theological writing. I believe it was inspired by God, but it was not dictated by Him. Everywhere in the New Testament Jesus is called the Messiah and the Son of God.

I have read the Bible from cover to cover nine times in seven English translations.

 

[BreezeWood]

real easy -- Jesus might have existed. Christianity does exist. Bam.

christianity is a judaism revelation they misguidedly continue to believe they are meant as the recipients their false commandments, hereditary idolatry beliefs will never allow as for them to be acceptable to the heavens.

is the message of the 1st century events and made known by jesus by their vow to the heavens, not judaism.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The Gospels of St. Matthew, St. Mark, and St. Luke each have Jesus saying, "Why do you call me good? There is no one good but God

Is this hard to understand for you?
He was neither denying He was good, nor that he was not God

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Contradictions in the Bible interest me, but they do not disturb me

There are none. It is your misunderstanding that caused you to believe this. It would be better if you question your own beliefs if you think there are contradictions

 

[Hector12]

Is this hard to understand for you?
He was neither denying He was good, nor that he was not God

Jesus was denying both.