The real reason why Obama is pushing a bad deal with Iran

[ScreamingEagle]

As more and more details of the deal with Iran come out, it only gets worse and worse. There will be no snap inspections. There are secret side deals with the United Nations that we don't know about. The Iranians will continue to enrich uranium. And develop ICBM's. And fund terrorist groups who will kill Americans.

But through it all, Obama keeps pushing this deal. Ever wonder why? Many people think he is naive. I don't.

Liberals view the government as a force for progressive good when it acts as a controlling, collectivizing force within the country, telling its citizens what to do and when to do it, and redistributing wealth to define "equality" as it sees fit. But internationally, leftists view government as an evil, imperialistic, colonialist force (even though we never had colonies outside of the U.S.). In 1953, we overthrew the prime minister of Iran, Muhammad Mossadegh. Liberals believe he was falsely accused of being aligned with the communist party of Iran and was going to align Iran with Russia. (The actual truth is that he was aligned with the communist party of Iran and was very likely going to align Iran with Russia. Surprised?)

Liberals were very upset when Mossadegh was overthrown. Ever since then, liberals have viewed Irans as the hapless victim of an imperialist America. That's why Jimmy Carter, the worst president America had ever seen until Barack Obama was elected, helped the radical Ayatollah Khomenei take over from the shah. The shah was evil in Carter's mind because he was an ally of the West. Khomenei had anti-Western rhetoric, but for good reason, because of our imperialistic meddling.

Fast-forward to today.

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[ScreamingEagle]

i guess the Obama supporters here agree that Obama doesn't mind that Iran gets nuclear weapons....that America is 'imperialist' and 'neocolonial'.....that he needs to appease the ayatollah....

 

[bendog]

American Thunker has Obama is a muslim Kenyan socialist atheist disease.

If you REALLY, Honestly, want to criticize the deal here it is. The coalition for sanctions that Hill put together care nothing about Iran's quest for political power in the ME and they really do believe Iran has a right to a nuclear energy program. Consequently, sanctions were never going to alter Iran's actual behavior. Further, Obama is really betting on the next generation of Iranians wanting to be engaged with Europe and the rest of the ME ... and America. Even if that doesn't come about, Iran will probably just become one of the nations that are "nuclear bomb capable" with a few months timing, because the notion of the House of Saud aiming nukes that them would be damn scary. But, if Iran does engage, that will be totally irrelevant, because many nations have the ability to build nukes, but choose not to because they have no need.

And, without the deal, Iran will have nuke in five years or so anyway. So, really the deal isn't that much about nukes.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Obama is no dummy. Everything he does is intentional, and his intent is to diminish American power on this planet.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

American Thunker has Obama is a muslim Kenyan socialist atheist disease.

If you REALLY, Honestly, want to criticize the deal here it is. The coalition for sanctions that Hill put together care nothing about Iran's quest for political power in the ME and they really do believe Iran has a right to a nuclear energy program. Consequently, sanctions were never going to alter Iran's actual behavior. Further, Obama is really betting on the next generation of Iranians wanting to be engaged with Europe and the rest of the ME ... and America. Even if that doesn't come about, Iran will probably just become one of the nations that are "nuclear bomb capable" with a few months timing, because the notion of the House of Saud aiming nukes that them would be damn scary. But, if Iran does engage, that will be totally irrelevant, because many nations have the ability to build nukes, but choose not to because they have no need.

And, without the deal, Iran will have nuke in five years or so anyway. So, really the deal isn't that much about nukes.

why do they believe that Iran 'has a right' to nukes.....? that goes back to them thinking America is 'imperialist'....

Obama 'betting on the next generation of Iranians' is simply wishful thinking and practically a lie...he did nothing to help out the Green Revolution...

allowing Iran to become 'nuclear bomb capable' is only going to create a huge arms race and destabilize the ME.....we will be in more danger than ever...

 

[bendog]

American Thunker has Obama is a muslim Kenyan socialist atheist disease.

If you REALLY, Honestly, want to criticize the deal here it is. The coalition for sanctions that Hill put together care nothing about Iran's quest for political power in the ME and they really do believe Iran has a right to a nuclear energy program. Consequently, sanctions were never going to alter Iran's actual behavior. Further, Obama is really betting on the next generation of Iranians wanting to be engaged with Europe and the rest of the ME ... and America. Even if that doesn't come about, Iran will probably just become one of the nations that are "nuclear bomb capable" with a few months timing, because the notion of the House of Saud aiming nukes that them would be damn scary. But, if Iran does engage, that will be totally irrelevant, because many nations have the ability to build nukes, but choose not to because they have no need.

And, without the deal, Iran will have nuke in five years or so anyway. So, really the deal isn't that much about nukes.

why do they believe that Iran 'has a right' to nukes.....? that goes back to them thinking America is 'imperialist'....

Obama 'betting on the next generation of Iranians' is simply wishful thinking and practically a lie...he did nothing to help out the Green Revolution...

allowing Iran to become 'nuclear bomb capable' is only going to create a huge arms race and destabilize the ME.....we will be in more danger than ever...

Why would China think developing nations have a right to pursue nuclear power, and other nations don't have a right to tell them they can only use reactors that don't create potential weapons material? Are you seriously asking that question? Do you recall that about 50 years ago Douglas McArthur proposed dropping 20 or more ABombs on China? Do you seriously think they don't consider it quite possible that we'd threaten to nuke a nation that didn't have nukes if we thought it in our national interest and we could get away with it? And France is probably not disagreeing very much with China

And Russia?

Hillary sold the idea that if Iran could be prevented from being nuclear bomb capable for 15 years, the ME may become much more stable. It's a gamble. But that 's really the deal.

And the option was pretty much invading Iran with Israel's help ... and they have no intention of actually helping.

What China probably would agree with us on is that Iran should not be able to destabilize a country like Jordan. But, they've offered no support, and criticism, of our attempt to regieme change in Syria.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

American Thunker has Obama is a muslim Kenyan socialist atheist disease.

If you REALLY, Honestly, want to criticize the deal here it is. The coalition for sanctions that Hill put together care nothing about Iran's quest for political power in the ME and they really do believe Iran has a right to a nuclear energy program. Consequently, sanctions were never going to alter Iran's actual behavior. Further, Obama is really betting on the next generation of Iranians wanting to be engaged with Europe and the rest of the ME ... and America. Even if that doesn't come about, Iran will probably just become one of the nations that are "nuclear bomb capable" with a few months timing, because the notion of the House of Saud aiming nukes that them would be damn scary. But, if Iran does engage, that will be totally irrelevant, because many nations have the ability to build nukes, but choose not to because they have no need.

And, without the deal, Iran will have nuke in five years or so anyway. So, really the deal isn't that much about nukes.

why do they believe that Iran 'has a right' to nukes.....? that goes back to them thinking America is 'imperialist'....

Obama 'betting on the next generation of Iranians' is simply wishful thinking and practically a lie...he did nothing to help out the Green Revolution...

allowing Iran to become 'nuclear bomb capable' is only going to create a huge arms race and destabilize the ME.....we will be in more danger than ever...

Why would China think developing nations have a right to pursue nuclear power, and other nations don't have a right to tell them they can only use reactors that don't create potential weapons material? Are you seriously asking that question? Do you recall that about 50 years ago Douglas McArthur proposed dropping 20 or more ABombs on China? Do you seriously think they don't consider it quite possible that we'd threaten to nuke a nation that didn't have nukes if we thought it in our national interest and we could get away with it? And France is probably not disagreeing very much with China

And Russia?

Hillary sold the idea that if Iran could be prevented from being nuclear bomb capable for 15 years, the ME may become much more stable. It's a gamble. But that 's really the deal.

And the option was pretty much invading Iran with Israel's help ... and they have no intention of actually helping.

What China probably would agree with us on is that Iran should not be able to destabilize a country like Jordan. But, they've offered no support, and criticism, of our attempt to regieme change in Syria.

why are you jabbering on about China.....? Iran is the country that is threatening us.....

you seem to think we have no options other that what Obama is presenting....

 

[bendog]

American Thunker has Obama is a muslim Kenyan socialist atheist disease.

If you REALLY, Honestly, want to criticize the deal here it is. The coalition for sanctions that Hill put together care nothing about Iran's quest for political power in the ME and they really do believe Iran has a right to a nuclear energy program. Consequently, sanctions were never going to alter Iran's actual behavior. Further, Obama is really betting on the next generation of Iranians wanting to be engaged with Europe and the rest of the ME ... and America. Even if that doesn't come about, Iran will probably just become one of the nations that are "nuclear bomb capable" with a few months timing, because the notion of the House of Saud aiming nukes that them would be damn scary. But, if Iran does engage, that will be totally irrelevant, because many nations have the ability to build nukes, but choose not to because they have no need.

And, without the deal, Iran will have nuke in five years or so anyway. So, really the deal isn't that much about nukes.

why do they believe that Iran 'has a right' to nukes.....? that goes back to them thinking America is 'imperialist'....

Obama 'betting on the next generation of Iranians' is simply wishful thinking and practically a lie...he did nothing to help out the Green Revolution...

allowing Iran to become 'nuclear bomb capable' is only going to create a huge arms race and destabilize the ME.....we will be in more danger than ever...

Why would China think developing nations have a right to pursue nuclear power, and other nations don't have a right to tell them they can only use reactors that don't create potential weapons material? Are you seriously asking that question? Do you recall that about 50 years ago Douglas McArthur proposed dropping 20 or more ABombs on China? Do you seriously think they don't consider it quite possible that we'd threaten to nuke a nation that didn't have nukes if we thought it in our national interest and we could get away with it? And France is probably not disagreeing very much with China

And Russia?

Hillary sold the idea that if Iran could be prevented from being nuclear bomb capable for 15 years, the ME may become much more stable. It's a gamble. But that 's really the deal.

And the option was pretty much invading Iran with Israel's help ... and they have no intention of actually helping.

What China probably would agree with us on is that Iran should not be able to destabilize a country like Jordan. But, they've offered no support, and criticism, of our attempt to regieme change in Syria.

why are you jabbering on about China.....? Iran is the country that is threatening us.....

you seem to think we have no options other that what Obama is presenting....

I'm jabbering about China because you apparently have no clue that we could not continue sanctions effectively without China (and Russia and France) signing on, and none of them had any interest in totally ending Iran's ability to have a nuclear program that still produces some amount of nuclear waste that can potentially made into a weapon.

 

[konradv]

Obama is no dummy. Everything he does is intentional, and his intent is to diminish American power on this planet.

If you believe that, then you're the dummy. You can debate tactics all you want, but if you want to posit treason as a reason, you're not thinking straight.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

American Thunker has Obama is a muslim Kenyan socialist atheist disease.

If you REALLY, Honestly, want to criticize the deal here it is. The coalition for sanctions that Hill put together care nothing about Iran's quest for political power in the ME and they really do believe Iran has a right to a nuclear energy program. Consequently, sanctions were never going to alter Iran's actual behavior. Further, Obama is really betting on the next generation of Iranians wanting to be engaged with Europe and the rest of the ME ... and America. Even if that doesn't come about, Iran will probably just become one of the nations that are "nuclear bomb capable" with a few months timing, because the notion of the House of Saud aiming nukes that them would be damn scary. But, if Iran does engage, that will be totally irrelevant, because many nations have the ability to build nukes, but choose not to because they have no need.

And, without the deal, Iran will have nuke in five years or so anyway. So, really the deal isn't that much about nukes.

why do they believe that Iran 'has a right' to nukes.....? that goes back to them thinking America is 'imperialist'....

Obama 'betting on the next generation of Iranians' is simply wishful thinking and practically a lie...he did nothing to help out the Green Revolution...

allowing Iran to become 'nuclear bomb capable' is only going to create a huge arms race and destabilize the ME.....we will be in more danger than ever...

Why would China think developing nations have a right to pursue nuclear power, and other nations don't have a right to tell them they can only use reactors that don't create potential weapons material? Are you seriously asking that question? Do you recall that about 50 years ago Douglas McArthur proposed dropping 20 or more ABombs on China? Do you seriously think they don't consider it quite possible that we'd threaten to nuke a nation that didn't have nukes if we thought it in our national interest and we could get away with it? And France is probably not disagreeing very much with China

And Russia?

Hillary sold the idea that if Iran could be prevented from being nuclear bomb capable for 15 years, the ME may become much more stable. It's a gamble. But that 's really the deal.

And the option was pretty much invading Iran with Israel's help ... and they have no intention of actually helping.

What China probably would agree with us on is that Iran should not be able to destabilize a country like Jordan. But, they've offered no support, and criticism, of our attempt to regieme change in Syria.

why are you jabbering on about China.....? Iran is the country that is threatening us.....

you seem to think we have no options other that what Obama is presenting....

I'm jabbering about China because you apparently have no clue that we could not continue sanctions effectively without China (and Russia and France) signing on, and none of them had any interest in totally ending Iran's ability to have a nuclear program that still produces some amount of nuclear waste that can potentially made into a weapon.

i'm aware of China and Russia's interests....that does not mean we cannot renegotiate for a better deal.....nor escalate sanctions.....nor eliminate the possibility of airstrikes...

 

[LoneLaugher]

Damn.....this issue brings out the stupid in people.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Obama is no dummy. Everything he does is intentional, and his intent is to diminish American power on this planet.

If you believe that, then you're the dummy. You can debate tactics all you want, but if you want to posit treason as a reason, you're not thinking straight.

Give me a reason to believe otherwise, and evidence to support the reason.

 

[konradv]

You can debate tactics all you want, but if you want to posit treason as a reason, you're not thinking straight.

Give me a reason to believe otherwise, and evidence to support the reason.

He was elected president of the U.S. twice, which wouldn't have happened if he were selling the country out.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

You can debate tactics all you want, but if you want to posit treason as a reason, you're not thinking straight.

Give me a reason to believe otherwise, and evidence to support the reason.

He was elected president of the U.S. twice, which wouldn't have happened if he were selling the country out.

Oh? And why is that? Do be specific here.

 

[konradv]

He was elected president of the U.S. twice, which wouldn't have happened if he were selling the country out.

Oh? And why is that? Do be specific here.

Why did he get elected? Bad opponents and the public's realization that people like you are full of shit.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

He was elected president of the U.S. twice, which wouldn't have happened if he were selling the country out.

Oh? And why is that? Do be specific here.

Why did he get elected? Bad opponents and the public's realization that people like you are full of shit.

No, he was elected both times because supportive media painted a fictional characterization of him both by creation and omission, and because most people have been educated into such a state of apathy they don't bother to go outside that media for information, nor are they capable of critical thought about the information they are spoon-fed.

 

[konradv]

He was elected both times because supportive media painted a fictional characterization of him both by creation and omission, and because most people have been educated into such a state of apathy they don't bother to go outside that media for information, nor are they capable of critical thought about the information they are spoon-fed.

Poor excuse for putting up poor candidates. Quit being a cry baby and nominate someone worth voting for.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obama has an enormous ego. One of the traits of egoism is the need to be wanted and liked.
Obama believes that if US foreign policy includes capitulations, the world will like him.
Through 7 years, such is not the case.

 

[konradv]

Obama has an enormous ego. One of the traits of egoism is the need to be wanted and liked. Obama believes that if US foreign policy includes capitulations, the world will like him. Through 7 years, such is not the case.

Egoism? I never considered Obama to be a Randist!
Atlas Shrugged and Ayn Rand s Morality of Egoism - The Objective Standard

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

He was elected both times because supportive media painted a fictional characterization of him both by creation and omission, and because most people have been educated into such a state of apathy they don't bother to go outside that media for information, nor are they capable of critical thought about the information they are spoon-fed.

Poor excuse for putting up poor candidates. Quit being a cry baby and nominate someone worth voting for.

Shrug.

You still have not provided a reason why I should not believe Obama is intentionally undermining America.

Take your time.