Racial victimology is epidemic on the Right.
Racial victimology is epidemic on the Right.
The King Of BULL$HIT!!!!
The King Of BULL$HIT!!!!
While that does have some truth to it (if that quote is correct); how would the condition of Blacks have been if Government didn't pass and enforce the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments? How about the Civil rights Acts that some republicans like to claim that they "passed", that was Government doing something. How about the Government not stepping in when Blacks were being brutalized and oppressed by the Black Codes, Jim Crow, etc.?
You as a Black person would have told Government "to get out of the way" of the slave masters, KKK, and other groups of people who were systematically brutalizing, enslaving, and oppressing Black people?
There are plenty of Black Liberals who see the light and are doing quite well, they may not just agree with your particular brand of "light". If you as a conservative believe in "individualism", why would you seemingly want to attribute that "shunning" like it's a prevalent thing? I have political and social discussions with PLENTY of Black people (relatives/friends/etc.), I'm not a big Obama supporter and I have expressed my angst with some of his policies. I told them I was going to vote and voted for Gary Johnson, no one gave me any problems or attitudes, no one called me an "uncle Tom" or "sellout".
There are self described Black people on this forum who do agree with Obama and are democrats, none of them have ever given me an attitude or an insult and this is a forum where insults often fly. For someone who seemingly shuns "the victim card", it sure seems like some "Black conservatives" love to ply that card when they complain about "the Blacks" allegedly calling them Uncle Toms for no reason other than they are Black and conservative.
While that does have some truth to it (if that quote is correct); how would the condition of Blacks have been if Government didn't pass and enforce the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments? How about the Civil rights Acts that some republicans like to claim that they "passed", that was Government doing something. How about the Government not stepping in when Blacks were being brutalized and oppressed by the Black Codes, Jim Crow, etc.?
You as a Black person would have told Government "to get out of the way" of the slave masters, KKK, and other groups of people who were systematically brutalizing, enslaving, and oppressing Black people?
There are plenty of Black Liberals who see the light and are doing quite well, they may not just agree with your particular brand of "light". If you as a conservative believe in "individualism", why would you seemingly want to attribute that "shunning" like it's a prevalent thing? I have political and social discussions with PLENTY of Black people (relatives/friends/etc.), I'm not a big Obama supporter and I have expressed my angst with some of his policies. I told them I was going to vote and voted for Gary Johnson, no one gave me any problems or attitudes, no one called me an "uncle Tom" or "sellout".
There are self described Black people on this forum who do agree with Obama and are democrats, none of them have ever given me an attitude or an insult and this is a forum where insults often fly. For someone who seemingly shuns "the victim card", it sure seems like some "Black conservatives" love to ply that card when they complain about "the Blacks" allegedly calling them Uncle Toms for no reason other than they are Black and conservative.
"While that does have some truth to it (if that quote is correct)..."
At the Annual Meeting of the Massachusetts Anti-Slavery Society in Boston, April, 1865, Fredrick Douglass delivered the following speech called “What the Black Man Wants.” In part:
“Everybody has asked the question, and they learned to ask it early of the abolitionists, "What shall we do with the Negro?" I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, don't disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot- box, let him alone, don't disturb him! [Applause.] If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone,--your interference is doing him a positive injury.”
Yep!!!
While that does have some truth to it (if that quote is correct); how would the condition of Blacks have been if Government didn't pass and enforce the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments? How about the Civil rights Acts that some republicans like to claim that they "passed", that was Government doing something. How about the Government not stepping in when Blacks were being brutalized and oppressed by the Black Codes, Jim Crow, etc.?
You as a Black person would have told Government "to get out of the way" of the slave masters, KKK, and other groups of people who were systematically brutalizing, enslaving, and oppressing Black people?
There are plenty of Black Liberals who see the light and are doing quite well, they may not just agree with your particular brand of "light". If you as a conservative believe in "individualism", why would you seemingly want to attribute that "shunning" like it's a prevalent thing? I have political and social discussions with PLENTY of Black people (relatives/friends/etc.), I'm not a big Obama supporter and I have expressed my angst with some of his policies. I told them I was going to vote and voted for Gary Johnson, no one gave me any problems or attitudes, no one called me an "uncle Tom" or "sellout".
There are self described Black people on this forum who do agree with Obama and are democrats, none of them have ever given me an attitude or an insult and this is a forum where insults often fly. For someone who seemingly shuns "the victim card", it sure seems like some "Black conservatives" love to ply that card when they complain about "the Blacks" allegedly calling them Uncle Toms for no reason other than they are Black and conservative.
"While that does have some truth to it (if that quote is correct)..."
At the Annual Meeting of the Massachusetts Anti-Slavery Society in Boston, April, 1865, Fredrick Douglass delivered the following speech called “What the Black Man Wants.” In part:
“Everybody has asked the question, and they learned to ask it early of the abolitionists, "What shall we do with the Negro?" I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the Negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone! If you see him on his way to school, let him alone, don't disturb him! If you see him going to the dinner table at a hotel, let him go! If you see him going to the ballot- box, let him alone, don't disturb him! [Applause.] If you see him going into a work-shop, just let him alone,--your interference is doing him a positive injury.”
Thanks for the entire quote that show the context! The ironic part is without Government intervention, those very things I put in bold above would not have happened. In my opinion, Government intervention to protect the Civil Liberties of it's Citizens is a good thing. I DO think that some Government programs lend themselves to be abused and I think that the generational cycle of dependency on that system should be clamped down on. In my opinion, to assert that those programs were started with a sinister purpose is pretty much an outlandish assertion. I think in some way whether on purpose or by mistake, it's insulting to "the Blacks" to act like all they want is "free stuff", favoritism, subsidies, etc.
I have stated over and over again that the Black people in my family (sisters, cousins, mother, grandparents cousins, etc.) and friends are Democrats, NONE of them are on Welfare, they all have CAREERS most of them are married, have children, and raise them VERY well.
