The problem with the 'it's still early' line from non-Trump Republicans

[Arlette]

Trump is not facing charges at the present time in either jurisdiction.

I've noticed that you progressives hate Trump so very much that you ignore his civil liberties.

Everything he says can and will be used against him in a court of law.

 

[Arlette]

He's not facing charges at the present time, as your post said.

Correct. Formal charges have not been announced yet.

 

[Arlette]

He's not facing charges at the present time, as your post said.

He does in NY for cooking the books over his Stormy Daniels payoff and in Florida for taking classified documents

 

[miketx]

You just don't get it. Trump gave voice to the concerns that the rank and file of the party had since HW Bush days. The nomination of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan's Speakership were the last straw. We no longer wanted to be part of the UniParty.

Trump came along and gave a voice and the media presence to get those concerns elevated. We will always revere him for that. When the UniParty tries to block him, well, we see that as blocking US.

He gets it. They all do. Your words are meaningless to that scum because they want this country destroyed!

 

[rightwinger]

He's not facing charges at the present time, as your post said.

Where did I say that?


“In Georgia, a Grand Jury is investigating Election Tampering
In DC Jack Smith is investigating Jan 6 Charges”

 

[Seymour Flops]

He does in NY for cooking the books over his Stormy Daniels payoff and in Florida for taking classified documents

Which makes sense, because I can easily picture Trump wearing a green eyeshade, making entries into each and every one of his financial ledgers. Because, he is a detail man, not an idea man.

 

[bripat9643]

DOJ only has jurisdiction in federal cases
Trump is facing charges in NY, Georgia, Florida and DC

Looks like you guys got another Nationwide conspiracy

Progs don't need to conspire to do what Biden wants done. The are all profoundly dishonest and corrupt.

 

[bripat9643]

Everything he says can and will be used against him in a court of law.

What has he said that is evidence of a crime?

 

[rightwinger]

Progs don't need to conspire to do what Biden wants done. The are all profoundly dishonest and corrupt.

 

[Arlette]

What has he said that is evidence of a crime?

You didn't hear the tape where Trump shows off his classified documents to an aid?

 

[MinTrut]

Look fuckstick -

Normal people can support one particular person, while defending unwarranted and false allegations against another.

Florida is very much a normal person state.
Other than Miami/Ft Lauderdale and a few other large cities.

They also have huge populations formerly from other parts of the country.

I lived there for 15 years.

The only way that you would see Trump or Desantis as authoritarian is if you don't know what the word means.
Is that the problem here?

^ Why conservatism will soon be extinct.

Far too many of you refuse to accept reality, and descend into infantile rage when faced with it.

Losing your bid for the WH in 2024 (with either Trump or DeSantis) won't open your eyes.

You'll just go on a rant about imaginary Marxists or some other reality-negating fantasy.

By the time you return to reality (if you were ever here, or ever could return), it'll be too late.

Bye.

 

[MinTrut]

You just don't get it. Trump gave voice to the concerns that the rank and file of the party had since HW Bush days. The nomination of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan's Speakership were the last straw. We no longer wanted to be part of the UniParty.

Trump came along and gave a voice and the media presence to get those concerns elevated. We will always revere him for that. When the UniParty tries to block him, well, we see that as blocking US.

^ Smart conservative.

 

[bripat9643]

You didn't hear the tape where Trump shows off his classified documents to an aid?

That's not what he was indicted for, moron.

 

[Arlette]

That's not what he was indicted for, moron.

You asked for evidence. You got it

 

[Billiejeens]

^ Why conservatism will soon be extinct.

Far too many of you refuse to accept reality, and descend into infantile rage when faced with it.

Losing your bid for the WH in 2024 (with either Trump or DeSantis) won't open your eyes.

You'll just go on a rant about imaginary Marxists or some other reality-negating fantasy.

By the time you return to reality (if you were ever here, or ever could return), it'll be too late.

Bye.

You are an awful judge of people.

 

[Billiejeens]

You didn't hear the tape where Trump shows off his classified documents to an aid?

No one heard it.

 

[bripat9643]

You asked for evidence. You got it

No, I didn't.

 

[Arlette]

No one heard it.

Bitch please

 

[miketx]

You are an awful judge of people.

And a liar.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

“But while Trump is the driver of the party agenda and rhetoric, he has been effective at still presenting himself in opposition to the party’s traditional power centers. He’s managed to preserve the idea that he is the voice of the outsider right, in part by successfully reframing his criminal indictments and investigations into his actions as establishment efforts to hold him at bay. He is the guy who will tear it all down … despite having been in a position to do so before and not doing it (as Christie noted at another point in his interview Sunday).

That’s DeSantis’s challenge. His candidacy was originally theorized by observers as a way to consolidate the anti-Trump vote, but that’s a vote that Trump has been effective at marginalizing as pro-establishment. So instead DeSantis is trying to run to Trump’s right, as a challenger to a front-runner that DeSantis is trying to frame as insufficiently right-wing. It’s a tough argument to make, particularly when Trump is so effectively driving the issues upon which primary voters are focused.

It’s not just that we’re early in the primary cycle — which we are — that matters. It’s also the composition of that cycle, who’s in, and what they represent. In 2008 and 2016, Clinton was challenged by outsiders who framed her as insufficiently responsive to the more liberal wing of the party. In 2016, Trump convinced Republicans that he was a vehicle for the dismantling of a party they disliked.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/10/desantis-trump-christie-gop/

And there’s this:

‘“We’re totally undecided,” said Blanks, 52 years old, as she and her husband neared their car, completing a 4-mile loop. She voted for Donald Trump twice before and thinks the former president can return to Washington “with a sledgehammer,” despite thinking DeSantis could attract more independent voters in a general election.

Six weeks after launching his campaign, DeSantis has stalled.’

DeSantis Campaign Stalls as He Tries to Court Trump’s GOP Fans and Foes Alike

The Florida governor’s support is flat in national and early-state polling.

www.wsj.com

DeSantis therefore has two problems – failing to portray Trump as insufficiently right-wing and being perceived by Republican primary voters as part of the ‘establishment’ Trump would dismantle “with a sledgehammer.”

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